Anyone wanna come have pie and mash with Steve and Paul?
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You'd be taking it the wrong way. Sid's real name was John. He and Rotten both hung around Malcom's store "SEX". When they needed a singer it was suggested to Malcom that they "get that guy, John". The story goes that he (and Jones) thought they meant Lydon, when in actuality, the person was suggesting Sid (who wasn't going be that name yet). Malcom and Jones went and got the wrong "John".
You'd be taking it the wrong way. Sid's real name was John. He and Rotten both hung around Malcom's store "SEX". When they needed a singer it was suggested to Malcom that they "get that guy, John". The story goes that he (and Jones) thought they meant Lydon, when in actuality, the person was suggesting Sid (who wasn't going be that name yet). Malcom and Jones went and got the wrong "John".
I am glad I read this whole thread. I will change my outlook and trash talking of Sid I have done in the past. It seems from some of the posts that he could indeed carry a tune on the bass. I was never a fan of The Sex Pistols so I have no comments except to say, in my days of the early 80's The Misfits and Bad Brains were the only things punk wise I listened to.
for your enjoyment.
Please note: This thread isn't about whether or not you like the Pistols, Sid Vicious or punk music in general. I'm just trying to clear up a common misconception.
Today marks the 41st anniversary of Sid's death. Because of this, a lot of people are remembering him on Facebook and in other places with the mandatory mention heard a million times - that he couldn't play the bass at all.
Quite the contrary: he actually could, and there are a few pieces of evidence attesting to that.
Here's 20 minutes of Sid Vicious in Stockholm in 1977 - plugged in, playing the bass, audible and doing exactly what he's supposed to.
Of course he ain't Jaco or Wooten, or even his more melodic and capable predecessor Glen Matlock. He's playing root notes, having fun and I'd say he's doing a good job.
I'll post three more clips at the end of this post. The first two are of the Pistols live where you can hear Sid playing. The third is the sound check for the infamous final show in San Francisco. You can hear Sid playing some simple Ramones lines and Johnny Rotten at one point asks the sound guys to turn Sid down.
I'd say it's about time to start clearing up the misconception about his inability to play and other things like Sid being unplugged on purpose. Whether you like him or not, he was after all a fellow bass player with a very tragic story. Things would have certainly been different for him if heroin hadn't set in, and there are many people who consider the Pistols among their influences for picking up an instrument and starting to play. I know I'm one of them - there was a time when my teenage self wouldn't stop playing "Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols" and "Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables" by the Dead Kennedys back to back on a continuous loop for days on end.
RIP Sid. No future!
Here's more of Sid's playing, this time it's Submission. To be honest, it's my favorite track by the Pistols.
Not likely that it’s Sid, it’s Steve Jones. As stated before, the only studio track verified that features Sid’s playing is “Bodies”.
Punk is alive
Absolutely - check out the Shrimp Sessions. They sound even better!!
Here is another great performance clip.
Also wanted to bring this to the attention of @LBS-bass as I noticed the band is using E-drums in this clip, which I think is a legit live recording. As with tracks LBS has been posting with e-drums, these things sounds great. My question to LBS, do you think the band is "silent onstage" in this recording? The amps look mic'd, but possibly this is stagecraft? A quiet stage would allow the singer to benefit from the natural reverb of the room without other competing reflections.... Any theorizing welcome!
Absolutely - check out the Shrimp Sessions. They sound even better!!