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since no one else is saying anything... (NAMM)

While in the past I would have agreed with the poster who said something like
"G&L build qualtiy would make the G&L Jazz better"
I don't necessarily agree.
I've played several of each of the new American Standard P and J, and that's fine stuff.

I still stand by my "G&L need to focus on what seperates them from everyone else."
And, I still think a tweaked El Toro 5 would be bada**
 
Mobass1 - congrats, looking forward to pics...

For some reason I was thinking last night that what I'd really like to see G&L do is come out with another 5-string neck profile. Something for those of us that like wider string spacing. Admittedly, I haven't played a G&L 5'er since I saw the bright shiny new L5500 in a store oh so many years ago, but 1.75" just seems to narrow to wedge 5 strings in there. 1.75" is good for 4 strings...
 
While in the past I would have agreed with the poster who said something like
"G&L build qualtiy would make the G&L Jazz better"
I don't necessarily agree.
I've played several of each of the new American Standard P and J, and that's fine stuff.

I still stand by my "G&L need to focus on what seperates them from everyone else."
And, I still think a tweaked El Toro 5 would be bada**

Yeah, it would be cool if G&L released something like an El Toro, or at least added more of its character to the JB-1 via some MFD action. It should be to the Jazz what the SB-2 is to the Precision. For example, it could offer hard-hitting MFD pickups like Nordstrand's Big Singles, or perhaps noiseless MFD J-type pickups like Lindy Fralin's Split Jazz.

At least something like that could be optional, like Lakland's Chi-Sonics are on its J-bass clones. In a way, G&L does this on the ASAT guitar, which is available with traditional sized single coils or the big MFD's on the ASAT Special. Why not do that with a J-bass?

And yes, the new American Standard Fenders are great. I love my Jazz V. Even so, I think the JB-1 is a step up due to the plek treatment and all the neck and finish options we know and love. My recent G&L's with plek'ed necks set up a bit lower than my U.S. Fenders, and I could really dig a traditional style J-bass with a plek'ed #8 neck. And matching painted headstock, and binding...yeah, I'm gettin' GAS....:D
 
Well, having followed G&L faithfully for over 22 years now, I have always been impressed with their lack of predictability. The innovation was always out on a limb, and that is what made them much more interesting than any other production bass.

That is no longer the case.

The reproduction of an age old design, especially one widely dominated by the originating brand, is a large disappointment, in my book.

The biggest trouble with G&L is that they are a direct competitor to that brand, and have been dropping from all of the local stores around here because of it.

In my 15 years of marketing, I have never seen a company do well with an exact mimic of another brand aimed at the same audience. All it did was make the buyer more aware of the dominance of the originating brand. Sure, make it in China for a third of the cost, and you have a new audience, but that's not the goal here, obviously.

My strong belief that the reason the less popular G&L models did not sell well is not due to the design, but the lack of brand awareness, and the outright lack of advertising.

It would have been much wiser to make a reissue of these fantastic designs, and start to spend some money making the world aware that these were amazing Leo Fender innovations. They were way ahead of their time, and the world, being a bit more aware of G&L, is much more ready.

We are all chomping at the bit, and would surely help to create a stir !

Copying an age old design is a big yawn, and leaves me more than a bit disappointed.

On top of that, how do they avoid lawsuits from a company that has really deep pockets ? It could be disastrous.

The biggest question is, where is the imagination that G&L has long been famous for ??? THAT should have been the greatest gift left behind by Dale, George and Leo, not the designs of the 60's.
 
As an additional note, why would G&L not easily be able to produce an Asat fiver ?

They have the body, the neck, the bridge, the pickups and the electronics already ! All they would need is to change the neck rout on the CNC, and away they go !

I personally would die for one, and would do whatever I had to do to get one !

To boot, they would be much different than any other five on the market, and might catch the eye of those who are looking, much more than what I see here !

Please develop an ASAT 5 for us diehards, Mr. McLaren ! Please !
 
My suspicion is the neck dive issue. people still complain about neck dive on the 4, and an ASAT 5er is going to be a lot more weighty on the neck than the 4.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with all of the points made regarding why them making a "Jazz clone" is a bad thing. There's quite a few manufacturers like Sadowsky that are known for their superior Jazz style basses. Granted, they garner more to the boutique market, but still.

I think that both brand awareness and the innovative designs have swayed people from buying G&Ls.
 
I'm not entirely sure I agree with all of the points made regarding why them making a "Jazz clone" is a bad thing.
Agreed.

I can understand some disappointment over the fact there wasn't anything truly revolutionary in the G&L NAMM booth, but geez people, it's not like they're pulling production on the L2K to make these JB models. And funny that I don't hear about how Lakland is just skating by with repros of P and J basses. I guess when they copy Fender it's okay. But when Fender's last company copies Fender it's an outrage.

Yeah, that makes a whole s#!tload of sense ...

My first bass (now long gone) was an old jazz with some battle scars and although I've been a G&L devotee ever since I bought my second bass, I've been very tempted to pick up some sort of jazz copy for the sake of nostalgia and having something a little different in the arsenal.

Now I could buy a Lakland Skyline series DJ or JO for around $1300 ... or I could order a new USA G&L JB for a hundred or two more. Hmmmm ... not exactly a tough call in my book.

Not sure why anyone would characterize this as a bad thing.

p.s. The Legacy/LB-100 may not have been a big seller, but for my money it was the best P bass available in its day. I have one I picked up for hundreds less than Fender was charging for MIAs at the time. I'd put it up against any Fender Custom Shop model for fit, finish, tone and it's insistence on staying in tune. I strongly suspect these JB models will measure up likewise.

So you say it's not for you? Well guess what? Good news! Nobody's making you buy one! ;)
 
I don't know G&L's production figures, but I'll bet that the legacy 6 string or the ASAT classic is close to being their most popular model, if not THE most popular. If this is true, then making a Jazz clone makes marketing sense.

Let's face it, most people buy a guitar based on "buzz" "vibe" and especially, what their favorite player plays. There used to be a whole raft of musicians that looked down their noses at any bass that didn't say Fender on the headstock. I played a Gibson Ripper professionally for about three years before ordering my first G&L, and found this to be a fact. Remember Alembic? I always thought that they were the ugliest basses on the planet. But I digress.

It's frankly surprising to me that G&L isn't a bigger name than it is, and while I am certainly not in the market for a jazz clone of any kind, I can see why G&L would do this.

Bass players don't seem to be quite as "lock-step" as far as their instruments are concered as guitar players. Still, anything that can bring a substantial number of players toward considering G&L as a viable option has to be a good thing for the company.
 
(edit)...... Still, anything that can bring a substantial number of players toward considering G&L as a viable option has to be a good thing for the company.

I agree with this sentiment.

If they can get more people interested or even just aware of the high quality basses they are producing, then maybe they will be more likely to venture into some of the reissues and new ideas that we as G&L enthusiasts are desiring.
 
fwiw:
Am Std P5:
1.88 at the nut
2.86 at the end of the f/b
.87 deep
17.8mm string spacing b to e at the bridge

Lakland Skyline JO5:
1.76 at the nut
2.98 at the end of the f/b
.87 deep
18.7mm string spacing b to e at the bridge
 
I think the problem for most of us with the JB is actually the same as with the JB-2: the shape we could care less but those lack MFD. I mean they're fine basses (I only tested the JB-2 though, but I'm sure the JB is fine), but when I pick up a G&L I want the G&L sound.
I have the same problem with the SB-1s that have the schaller PBX pup: fine basses but not what I seek in a SB-1
 
The Legacy/LB-100 may not have been a big seller, but for my money it was the best P bass available in its day. I have one I picked up for hundreds less than Fender was charging for MIAs at the time. I'd put it up against any Fender Custom Shop model for fit, finish, tone and it's insistence on staying in tune. I strongly suspect these JB models will measure up likewise.

You know, for what it's worth, I'd love to have a Legacy/LB-100, and I would take one over a P bass any day of the week. My point was actually to show the lack of success they had with another obvious "F" copy.

If G&L decides to actually put the JB into production, then I do think they'll make an outstanding instrument, and if that's the direction they want to go, good for them. A lot of their guitars are just Tele/Strat clones to an extent, and I think they're excellent guitars. I had a Fender American Deluxe Strat and a G&L Legacy, and I've kept the Legacy and sold the Strat. I just think the Legacy was a better guitar. And I know G&L would make a bass that would rival Fender's, even seeing as Fender has really stepped up their game lately. But, Fender has such a foothold on the market that G&L will always be the little guy...

Personally, if I were in the market for a J bass, I would probably go with the JB-2 based solely on ergonomics - I much prefer the body shapes (in both look and feel) of my G&Ls over my Fender Jazz, plain and simple. But, therein lies why I think the JB is not the best plan. G&L is already producing a bass that will cop a J. Though, to be fair, a JB vs. JB-2 would probably be similar to an ASAT vs. L2000...

I love G&L basses because they are their own beast. And MFDs don't hurt either. ;) Personally, I'd really like to see a JB-2 with the single coil MFDs, a'la the Lynx.
 
I still think the 1983/ish SB2 JJ with big ole MFD-ish single coils is one of the best Jazz basses made, despite the wonky strat pickup switching.

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