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Sire 2025 - New Lightweight Models!
- Thread starter phillipkregg
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Oh man. I was excited about those headless multiscales until I looked closer. 33"-35" range is perfect, but looks like the 15th fret is the neutral fret?
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That's gotta be a joke, right? Talk about a dealbreaker...
That's gotta be a joke, right? Talk about a dealbreaker...
After thinking about it, I wonder why they didn't go headless on these V6 and P6 basses. You know, go all the way if you're really going for an as lightweight as possible PJ.
The fanning at the nutOh man. I was excited about those headless multiscales until I looked closer. 33"-35" range is perfect, but looks like the 15th fret is the neutral fret?
That's gotta be a joke, right? Talk about a dealbreaker...
(about 1.25" from the B nut slot to a line starting from the C slot and perpendicular to the neck axis, in both cases)
is around that of a Dingwall, with practically the same fretting-hand maximal reach
(1st fret ca16.5" away from the fret under the strap button, in both cases)
but a fret layout more chord-friendly exactly in the money area (past the 12th fret) for that playing style.
In terms of fretboard geometry, it looks to be a very well thought-out instrument, actually. Far from a joke.
Such an extreme fan at the nut for only two inches seems... nuts to me.
Is it really more chord friendly? The frets being more angled on the higher end of the fretboard is probably the most agreed upon benefit of multiscale instruments when talking about natural hand position and ease of playing. 9th fret might have been smart if they wanted to move in that direction, but this is too much. I'm not sure what focus group they tested to come up with this design.
Is it really more chord friendly? The frets being more angled on the higher end of the fretboard is probably the most agreed upon benefit of multiscale instruments when talking about natural hand position and ease of playing. 9th fret might have been smart if they wanted to move in that direction, but this is too much. I'm not sure what focus group they tested to come up with this design.
I've always hated multi-scale basses and it's usually due to the fact that the fanning makes it hard to play chords.
I'd much rather have it more "fanned" closer to the nut because I'm less likely to play chords there. The more neutral the frets are from the 12th up, the easier chordal playing should be.
Actually makes me kind of interested in these, but I'm much more interested in the V6 lightweight models.
Well, that's cool then if there's a market for these that won't buy other multiscales. I've played some with the 12th fret neutral so I know this definitely won't work for me.
I'll at least give Sire credit for trying something new and not just copying how almost everyone else does it, especially after the success of the Ibanez EHBs.
I recently bought a used V9 (34" scale btw), for comparison, it's about 9 pounds 12oz, which is still acceptable, and I am 'carrying around' a back injury. I really like it, the fit/finish are about what you would expect for a value/quality priced quality bass but it's certainly good/nice enough. The nut was a bit high, coincidentally I had read a review where the reviewed bass had a nut that was also a bit high from the factor. It had been neglected and was poorly setup when I got it, now that it's pretty well sorted-out I like it a lot, and I would like it even more if it was a pound or two lighter.
Andertons does a walkthrough of all the new basses toward the end of this video.
You can get a really good view of the fretboard on the headless basses here too, and they look more typically fanned from this video - especially the 5 string.
You can get a really good view of the fretboard on the headless basses here too, and they look more typically fanned from this video - especially the 5 string.
I was interested in the P6/V6 models and they are not listed as roasted maple. Just "maple".
From the 4 string P6 listing:
Neck Material: Hard Maple
Neck Shape: C-Shape
Scale: 34"
Fingerboard Material: Hard Maple or Rosewood Edgeless™ (Rolled Fretboard Edges)
Fingerboard Radius: 9.5"
Frets: 2.4 mm Medium, 20 Frets
String Nut: Bone Nut, 38mm Width
Inlay: Dot
Neck Joint: Four Bolt Steel Plate
Apparently roasted necks are now just one of several options for a particular model, available with one or two colors, whereas with the introduction of V5/P5 few years ago, I had the impression Sire would treat roasted maple as the "premium maple" on their whole model ranges, also noticeable with the replacement of the Swamp Ash V7 with V8 with roasted maple.
This current change of direction is also noticeable with guitars: The original S7/S7FM/S7 Vintage and T7/T7FM all had roasted necks (and originally all roasted maple finder boards), and last year the less expensive S5 seemed to be a "non-roasted" option to me.
But from the "new gen" of S7/T7, only a few colors are equipped with roasted maple necks. Besides, they also offer rosewood fingerboard, so all in all there seem to be more differences in options.
I really like the roasted neck of my S7FM, so I would be less interested in the newer models. YMMV.
This current change of direction is also noticeable with guitars: The original S7/S7FM/S7 Vintage and T7/T7FM all had roasted necks (and originally all roasted maple finder boards), and last year the less expensive S5 seemed to be a "non-roasted" option to me.
But from the "new gen" of S7/T7, only a few colors are equipped with roasted maple necks. Besides, they also offer rosewood fingerboard, so all in all there seem to be more differences in options.
I really like the roasted neck of my S7FM, so I would be less interested in the newer models. YMMV.
I don’t like how the tuners stand proud of the body. I can foresee issues here.
I have the same opinion, I am really excited about the P5/P5R necks, and was hoping more models would get roasted maple - especially the P6 - a roasted maple version would have sold me.
I've been hunting for an active 4 knob pj - without a pickguard, and a roasted maple neck with rosewood fretboard. I've nearly bought another P5R just to mod it to taste (but still have a pickguard).
I've been hunting for an active 4 knob pj - without a pickguard, and a roasted maple neck with rosewood fretboard. I've nearly bought another P5R just to mod it to taste (but still have a pickguard).
Anderton's pre-order says it will probably be a minimum of 3 months before they have stock (possibly longer).
Hmmm, the word "lightweight" in the title made me interested enough to open this thread but both of my Fender Mustang basses are under 8 lbs, my DIY sjortscale J bass is just over 6 lbs, and my Hofner Ignition Club basses are between 4.5 and 5.5 lbs I'm good in the lightweight dept.
