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#61
I can't see the slightest point in taking it past "You burnt my headstock, you ****", and him apologizing. Some things just aren't worth more than that. If you know that he intentionally shoved his cigarette into the headstock, then yes, be very very irritated. But you don't know how it happened yet, or even if he was aware of it/did it himself.
 
#62
Wow, the wide spread thoughts and level of emotions from you guys is pretty diverse. I talked to him. He didn't realize, yes he was drinking, yes he was hitting on her, yes he was smoking. He said he must of done it without thinking. He dose it with his guitars, habit. He felt horrible and apologized. He told me he would fix it. But tell you the truth I don't want him to. I don't mind the actual burn, it was more the respect thing. The apology was good and he has been one of my best friends since high school. So I guess it is what it is.
 
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smcd said:
I can't believe what I'm reading here. Is this the kind of generation we've raised? One that gets their little pink panties in a twist over something as innocuous as a cigarette burn on a guitar headstock?? Christ, the was a day back when men were men that you could barely find a guitar that *didn't* have a cig burn there.

That burn mark won't devalue your bass one thin dime. In fact, here in these days of no-smoking-anywhere, it gives off a bit of anachronistic charm. Don't go pissing yourself over something as harmless as this.
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I'm calling bullshizz on this. If I borrow something, I return it in the same condition. I am fine with mojo/relics, but if someone "accidentally" BURNED my bass and then returned it without saying anything, I would be looking for a good explanation. And what kind of phony baloney poseur mindset would allow someone to believe for one second that a burning cigarette looks cool stuck in a headstock anyway?
 
#68
It's not like it was an accident. It was pure negligence, and shows a lot of disrespect for you. I would be upset. That is a USA Fender bass, not a cheap junker.

Back in the mid 1970s, I loaned my 1961 Fender P bass to a friend. It was a nice bass, in nearly new condition. After about a week, I thought I should check on it by going to the place where they practiced. As I approached the location, I saw that the building had burned to the ground the night before. My bass was destroyed. That bass would be worth a lot of money now. I was very angry. All I got from the guy was: "Sorry". The guy died a long time ago, and I can't dwell on it.

In the last two years, I bought two brand new Fender American Deluxe basses. (A P, and a J). I have loaned my MIM J to a trusted, and mature friend, but I will not loan these to anyone. I may change my mind about this eventually, but for now, I would not let anyone who I don't have a lot of trust in even handle them.

Learn a lesson from our experiences.
 
#69
lowphatbass said:
Jeez. I often appreciate your no-nonsense/pull no punches responses here, but I think this is pretty lame.

For me it's not about the cig burn, it's the lack of respect.....plane and simple. When you barrow somebody else's stuff you return it in the same condition as you got it....That's how I was raised, and I wear XL boxers so they don't get twisted-up.

Honestly, the burn looks pretty minor and I bet it would rub-out with a bit of cleaner wax and a micro-fiber cloth, but it's not about the burn.
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Take a look back and read some of these posts - "smash his teeth", "furious", "punch his head" - for chrissakes, it's a light cigarette burn! This is normal *light* wear and tear, and people want the guy's head on a plate? It's nuts. And the OP doesn't even know whether he should be mad or not, so he asks the lynch mob?? Most of these reactions are just nuts.
 
#70
superjesus said:
So are you mad or not? I can't tell.

It's your gear, you have a right to be upset that is was damaged. But it's your gear. You had a responsibility to ensure its well being.

I bet watching the game isn't more important than watching your bass now.

C'est la vie.
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I NEVER loan my tier one gear, for no one no how. My ss amps or MIM bass maybe, heck I myself are not that kind to that stuff, but my tube amps and US built guitars, no way. No one will care for you gear like you will.

Gig rule # 21. Leaving your gear unattended is like leaving your girlfriend alone at a biker bar, it won't work out in your favor.

If you want to get violent then go bang your head into the nearest wall, its your fault. Just look at it as education and the next time someone wants to borrow your baby just look at that battle-scar and remember this lesson.
 
#71
Being careless with your bass was your friends decision. Lending it to him in the first place was your decision. Not paying attention to what he was doing with it was also your decision. I think it is best for everyone to take responsibility for their own decisions.
 
#73
One of my friends loaned some minty vintage rare wow! analog synths to another band member. The guy imploded went on a heroin binge (we think) and claimed he dropped the synths back off at the front door of my friend's house. No one in the band ever believed his crap but the synths were gone, the guy was gone, and they've both been unseen for 20 years by now. My keyboard playing friend is still po'd about it and likely would lay the guy out cold if he could ever be found again. At today's prices those synths would be in the 10's of thousands. Moral of the story, no one and I mean no one will take care of your gear with the respect that you will.

I have no problem letting just about anyone (except lousy drunks) play my gear, even (especially) small children. My philosophy is my stuff are tools for making music and I want people to make music. But I'm always present when it happens. Never loan anything out that I expect to actually return.
 
#74
I can't believe the violence people are admitting they'd resort to. How petty. The issue is that this guy didn't apologise. Maybe he didn't notice the burn. I'm not saying it's cool, but I don't think it's that big a deal either. Let it go.

Personally, I've let others use my gear a bunch of times. A whole slew of people, including myself, used my bass all night at a jam. I didn't have a single issue with it and didn't even feel like I had to watch my bass all the time. Guess what? Nothing happened. Careless people will be careless, but I've only ever come across one or two of those people in regard to musical equipment. One the rare chance that some accident may happen, it's not going to affect me, only the person at fault's wallet.

Maybe people will think I live in a dream world, but this has been my experience. People are generally very good with other peoples gear. If anything, the stories on TB seem like the dream world, where everyone is a douche and careless. 99% of people I come across are actually MORE careful with other people's gear than I am with my own. That's not saying I don't look after my $#!t either, cause I do.

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If the explanation sucks (it will) I'd be very vocal and perhaps physical about this.
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Quoted for idiocy.

You're acknowledging that there won't be a good explanation, and therefore you're saying it's inevitable that you'd get "very vocal and perhaps physical". You're a real top bloke, huh?
 
#75
smcd said:
I can't believe what I'm reading here. Is this the kind of generation we've raised? One that gets their little pink panties in a twist over something as innocuous as a cigarette burn on a guitar headstock?? Christ, the was a day back when men were men that you could barely find a guitar that *didn't* have a cig burn there.

That burn mark won't devalue your bass one thin dime. In fact, here in these days of no-smoking-anywhere, it gives off a bit of anachronistic charm. Don't go pissing yourself over something as harmless as this.
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You seem to have missed the point of this post. It's not about the burn. It's about the fact that the man who borrowed the bass failed to acknowledge the burn to the owner. It's the principal of it.

That being said, I would be upset, but I wouldn't get violent or physical in any way.
 
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smcd said:
Take a look back and read some of these posts - "smash his teeth", "furious", "punch his head" - for chrissakes, it's a light cigarette burn! This is normal *light* wear and tear, and people want the guy's head on a plate? It's nuts. And the OP doesn't even know whether he should be mad or not, so he asks the lynch mob?? Most of these reactions are just nuts.
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Folks always act tough on the internet. In reality going to jail and having a felony on your record is a major drag.
 
#78
Pilgrim said:
This is equivalent to someone carving their name in your dining room table. It doesn't prevent it from functioning, but it's damaged.

I would seriously consider asking him to pay for having the headstock refinished.
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No it isn't. Its the the equivalent of someone accidentally dropping a piece of cutlery and causing barely noticeable ding.

Christ, do you guys must spend a lot of time with sore knuckles?
 
#79
Once I fell off my bicycle with my whole bass, Almost splashed into a canal (my bike Did) me n the bass just got to the edge... all this because of an idiot swinging while walking after it rained....Well, the back of the headstock of my jazz bass is completely eaten up by that event but you know what...

Screw the guy walking in my case or your pal burning your bass, at the end of the day it has happened. Yeah if he Didn't say Sorry he's an ******* I agree. But this world is full of *******s so get over it! Imagine if the bass would be unusable. If you talk about it with the person interested, maybe he'll be willing to covet some expenses if you Wanna get it restored but you know what?

Leave that mark there. It'll remind you everytime somebody u don't know asks you your instrument ;)
 
#80
I've beaten up 3 or 4 guitarists and 2 singers in the last month alone. You "reasonable" guys need to catch up and back up your s*** like real bass players. I learned this behavior from watching Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze. That stuff is real, you know.
 
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