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Someone cracked the Animato

Well, I received my JohnK Animato yesterday and it is great. Thanks @johnk_10 and @Crowella .

It works very well blended as well, especially blended with fuzzes and ODs. It also stacks nicely, depending on your settings and desired levels of distortion. It stacks super well with the new SGFX Custom Shop Beta (LM308/MOSFET).

All around, it's a very col pedal.
 
That's fantastic to hear. I'm glad you've found it stacks well with other pedals. It can create some interesting sounds, that's for sure.

I had a few commenters on Reddit suggest that the hardcore/punk scene would be behind this kind of tone which is nice to hear.

I'm still hunting down the boards for mine, they seem to be holding them up. :( It could be that I have to do the boards by hand.
 
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That's fantastic to hear. I'm glad you've found it stacks well with other pedals. It can create some interesting sounds, that's for sure.

I had a few commenters on Reddit suggest that the hardcore/punk scene would be behind this kind of tone which is nice to hear.

I'm still hunting down the boards for mine, they seem to be holding them up. :( It could be that I have to do the boards by hand.

I don't subscribe to those subs on reddit so I did not see your posts. Just went through them :)

Yeah, punk/hardcore is a lot about kicking up the treble or picking. Wonder how this pedal would sound on a Danelectro :)
 
You'll have to try for yourself. I've had a look at John's builds, they look fantastic. Make sure to put soundclips up if you can. The more of these kicking around, the better. :D

My parents just dropped a huge surprise on me and as an early christmas present, bought me a dremel tool. I finally have something I can use as a drill press for boards (as well as cut them quickly with a grinder). I'll post in the update page for people that have ordered from me but I may have to do the boards by hand. At least now I can churn them out quickly and better. :D

(just practicing with a Russian Big Muff Pi using the same layout as the Animato but cutting out the obvious mojo bits)
 
Boards ahoy! God I'm thankful for that dremel tool. Cut the drilling time down massively. Shame I don't have anything nicer to sand the boards to shape with. Might pick up a file tomorrow and do the edges a little bit better.

Those that ordered from me probably know my anger right now with the PCB supplier failing to ship the boards out. Had to go the hand made route. Still just as neat as the original boards. :p

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... and more of the less important things. Manuals and Box/QC stickers. Not much I can do when I am too tired to solder properly. I'll tell you what though, these things are more expensive than the components, which is scary.

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Also hinting at the next build. I found a clean blend I like. Going to mess with that, a polarity switch to see what effect that has and a tone control for the treble booster. Inspired by John's tilt mod but more of a mod on the circuit rather than a very good addon.
 
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Boards did eventually arrive. I noticed one issue where they printed the design in reverse despite what was in the document which I can prove with the above circuit. Ah well.

Also one value has a label error... May have been from my document. Glad I can make many revisions later on if I go through this batch.

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I'll have to send another email out. There might be a week or so delay since the enclosures hadn't actually left the US yet, despite being shipped out express on the 26th of November.

I thought something was wrong with the tracking. Then I remembered the US have had holidays recently which have grinded deliveries to a halt.

Yesterday I started looking at methods to do enclosures at home. Laserjet waterslide decals are out the window. Might need to pull my old inkjet out.

also got notification that I have a green light to use a relative's laser etcher. That shall be fun.
 
Long post but the cases are arriving today. Joy oh joy! I really can't wait. :D

Also, will announce that I've done a few mods to the original. Lot of work with this one. I'll also put up the schematic when confirmed for this one if you feel brave enough to build it. Trying to remove all the deficiencies from the original whilst having the option to revert back to it.

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If you want to read about some mods that can be done or why I've gone about modding some things for the future, read on, otherwise it could all be garbage to you.

So here I go, explaining some mods to do for those at home or for those that want to wait. I'll be doing a local trial of this one so people can get a hold of it and shout at me if I've made something horrible or otherwise but either way, these are some mods you can try and a few of these will work with your Big Muff Pi or other closely modeled pedals. I won't post exact part changes just yet as it is a work in progress but you can see what can be done.

So the AC filter is actually an outcome of the error I made when tracing the pedal and @johnk_10 earliest sound clips of the pedal had this. :lol: It increases the size of the capacitor in the treble booster stage and moves it into a more general purpose booster which pushes this pedal closer to big muff territory, just on roids :lol: . Basically, by increasing the cap size, it starts to allow more low frequencies into the pedal. In the original, it is set to hi. In the picture below, the green is hi, the blue is low. Consider it a HPF. This would probably be the mod to do if you aren't a fan of the lack of low end
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The clip filter is pretty much more of the same. However, this allows more low frequencies to go through the clipping diodes meaning the low end will start to get distorted. The picture below is a 200Hz sine wave getting passed through. The green is stock, the red is an increased cap size. The original setting will be hi. The cap I used is similar to what the Russian Big Muff has. Also at this point should note that the actual transistors (2SC2240's) in those stages aren't that high gain (HFe ~200) which makes it a lot more interesting since that would actually make the stages sound darker so a lot of that distorted treble nature is due in fact to this mod cutting away the lows. So playing around with what goes in there will change it up too.
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Gate is just that. A noise gate. I'm still not sold on how much gating effect I want, but this combats the issue of noise and with a subtle turn should tighten up the sound for some users. I think it's an essential mod in honesty. I can say from using the original live, it feedbacks insanely and seems to react to even the slightest breeze on the strings which could be your thing but since I like to sound rather percussive at times with my playing, it might help. That's the kind of level of gain we're playing with here. :shrug: This is just simply replacing the 100k resistor on the second gain stage with a potentiometer. Maybe put a resistor before it so you don't shunt everything to ground. This is probably the most ZVex thing you could do to any pedal but there is a fundamental reason to do it.

The blend... Well, it's just a buffered blend. Clean signal is preserved, no switch to polarity. You can find your right mix with the volume of the effect as well as the blend. I changed the blend from a non-commercial one to something a lot simpler that works nicely and keeps the integrity of the circuit. This is a prime example of what it can do on a half blend, with the volume of the pedal just below half. 200Hz wave again with the clip on low, ac on hi. Red is pedal, green is clean, blue is blend. Of course, this is just a sim but there's some idea. Reversed polarity is a no-no, you'll find it hard to get much of a nice signal out of it. For which blend to use, Google as many as you can, each will have varying results but having them with in/out buffers will help your cause more. You can go passive too but expect some volume and tone loss. Again, John was right to offer this and I would chose that mod over anything else if you are a bassist. The clean blend got recorded recently on some of our band demos and the guitarist couldn't actually believe just how full and powerful it sounded. The circuit's definition helps it along.
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The tone stack has been moved to a Baxandall. I didn't need to do too much here other than drop one in. It adds a little bit more bass and a hint of scoop around 1Khz if you have the knobs dimed. A more common setting on the original will have the bass at half or lower and the treble pretty much where you'd like it to be. The original was just a straight up big muff tone stack. You can virtually drop whatever tone stack you like here. A recommendation for the bassists is set up something that opens the bass frequencies up more. The natural circuit will have a kind of band pass filter going on so you want to find ways to open that up in the low end. The best way is to go about it with the earlier mods but you can free up more through the tone stack.

This isn't the best picture to illustrate it since this is an old photo and since then I shifted the stack to be a bit more bass focused (pretend the red lines are rotated about 2-3 degrees clockwise to reduce the treble to roughly the original position) but the stack gives a little bit more width to what goes out and can bring it back to a narrow path if you desire. I'll write down my results in comparison to the original but I think it's fundamentally more useful.

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Distortion will remain the same. The rest remains the same in my case. The mods do enough to vary the tone to make it usable for bassists and even guitarists (hence the change in tone stack). I'll build one, chuck some sound clips. Modify, build any changes then send one around if people are willing to try. Might even send one of the original clones around if people want to have a dabble with it. :shrug:

Hopefully that fills you in on some things. I went through a large list of mods to knock it back to this, including a feedback loop (which sounded so awful), clipping diode removal which I wasn't a fan of, swapping diodes too but that was moved over more for changing the tone over the wave shaping since I think that's the unique point... even if it is just standard 1N4148 diodes. They're there for a reason. :yep These just give a bit of a wider use and more tweaking that can be used and I'm trying not to be gimmicky with the options because even though something like a stutter effect or self oscillation is cool, how many people really use that for anything other than odds and ends.

Again, swapping the front transistors, making it only a single one, even going berserk by adding something ultra-high gain like a MPSA13 at the front could be another mod. There are many places to take this circuit. :)
 
Best effects thread of the year. Also a superb case study of technology-driven capitalism at its best.
Sooner or later I AM going to order at least one of these. Crowella's version is close enough to the original for me. Needs a blend for bass (as the original does I'm sure, though I've never had my hands on one), and it's encouraging to see that C has found a good blend.
That thing of John K's with the tilt control seems like a different animal. I find it hard to believe that an actual Animato could ever make a bass sound like that, and so much the worse for the Animato. It's like the voice of an angry thunder god.
Don't stop, either of you. Great things are afoot.
 
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The picture is the bitmap layout. It's part of the discussion about the animato's mods turning into a larger, more versatile pedal, the bitmap, which I've nicknamed because it's a sign of what is really going on underneath it, more of an homage to the original pedal it's based on.

Haha, I really like that case study idea and thanks for enjoying this thread. I honestly didn't expect that and the support from everyone so far has really made me enjoy this whole thing a lot more. It's cost me close to the amount I will get back and that's excluding the time and effort. I have simply been doing this for the love of it, hence I have no issues handing out schematics for whatever gets done. I want to see the world learn. :D I'll have original stuff soon for people to drool over and shout at me for not sounding like what they want.

The whole experience has been completely enjoyable for me. I have had a few people even PM me about how the whole process is going from a business perspective which is very nice to know. It's an expensive start up. Very, especially if you don't have a lot of tools to begin with. Prior to this, I drilled out PCB's by hand with a hand drill. That's a phenomenally difficult task.

Outsourcing things in order to get the best quality possible is sometimes necessary but there is a huge cost factor involved. Next ones I've already looked at alternative measures which will probably involve laser etching the drill marks, powder coating in a garage and using transfers. However, I have to say I enjoy the really nice silk screened style that the pedals got shipped with. Only gripe I've had is the drilling isn't 100% so it shows that sometimes even that route isn't always perfect. I might be a bit more particular than most.

The tilt control is admittedly genius. I haven't recreated it in the sim but with what I've shown, you can see why it is such a useful mod when you look at how much bass is cut out. If you can punch more bass in at the start especially how John has done it, you do get a deeper sound out of the pedal. It's just one of many, many ways to do it. In honesty, this shows what a lot of big muff clones are like, just simple, but very effective mods that change the tone to suit other people.

The original pedal doesn't have a blend at all and that's the main mod that people have shouted for. I know some people want the original sound too to in some cases replace their original Animato which is the case for a few of them I sold.

Anyway, the cases FINALLY arrived. I have far too much on today in my personal life to work on them (dentist, new band member tryout, practice) but I have to say they look beautiful. The print and drill holes aren't 100% perfect and vary slightly on each but this is one thing that happens with small production runs done by hand. The orange on it sparkles which is a beautiful touch, the knobs are fantastic and the best quality I've seen. The jacks work great too. I'm really pleased as it could have gone much worse.
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Apologise for the out of foucs parts, I was using a macro camera really quickly.

I have the bitmap prototype just sitting in the corner. The home paint job went okay, the clear turned out yellow and ran down the sides so the edges aren't perfect, neither was the drilling as a travelling drill snapped and set the hole for one of the switches off, other than that, going to plan. The PCB for that has to be completely redesigned to compensate for the tone stack and mods but I'll get photos of that up at a later stage.
 
The picture is the bitmap layout. It's part of the discussion about the animato's mods turning into a larger, more versatile pedal, the bitmap, which I've nicknamed because it's a sign of what is really going on underneath it, more of an homage to the original pedal it's based on.

Haha, I really like that case study idea and thanks for enjoying this thread. I honestly didn't expect that and the support from everyone so far has really made me enjoy this whole thing a lot more. It's cost me close to the amount I will get back and that's excluding the time and effort. I have simply been doing this for the love of it, hence I have no issues handing out schematics for whatever gets done. I want to see the world learn. :D I'll have original stuff soon for people to drool over and shout at me for not sounding like what they want.

The whole experience has been completely enjoyable for me. I have had a few people even PM me about how the whole process is going from a business perspective which is very nice to know. It's an expensive start up. Very, especially if you don't have a lot of tools to begin with. Prior to this, I drilled out PCB's by hand with a hand drill. That's a phenomenally difficult task.

Outsourcing things in order to get the best quality possible is sometimes necessary but there is a huge cost factor involved. Next ones I've already looked at alternative measures which will probably involve laser etching the drill marks, powder coating in a garage and using transfers. However, I have to say I enjoy the really nice silk screened style that the pedals got shipped with. Only gripe I've had is the drilling isn't 100% so it shows that sometimes even that route isn't always perfect. I might be a bit more particular than most.

The tilt control is admittedly genius. I haven't recreated it in the sim but with what I've shown, you can see why it is such a useful mod when you look at how much bass is cut out. If you can punch more bass in at the start especially how John has done it, you do get a deeper sound out of the pedal. It's just one of many, many ways to do it. In honesty, this shows what a lot of big muff clones are like, just simple, but very effective mods that change the tone to suit other people.

The original pedal doesn't have a blend at all and that's the main mod that people have shouted for. I know some people want the original sound too to in some cases replace their original Animato which is the case for a few of them I sold.

Anyway, the cases FINALLY arrived. I have far too much on today in my personal life to work on them (dentist, new band member tryout, practice) but I have to say they look beautiful. The print and drill holes aren't 100% perfect and vary slightly on each but this is one thing that happens with small production runs done by hand. The orange on it sparkles which is a beautiful touch, the knobs are fantastic and the best quality I've seen. The jacks work great too. I'm really pleased as it could have gone much worse.
MY4kVkn.jpg

Apologise for the out of foucs parts, I was using a macro camera really quickly.

I have the bitmap prototype just sitting in the corner. The home paint job went okay, the clear turned out yellow and ran down the sides so the edges aren't perfect, neither was the drilling as a travelling drill snapped and set the hole for one of the switches off, other than that, going to plan. The PCB for that has to be completely redesigned to compensate for the tone stack and mods but I'll get photos of that up at a later stage.

Wow, those are beautiful!!
 
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The picture is the bitmap layout. It's part of the discussion about the animato's mods turning into a larger, more versatile pedal, the bitmap, which I've nicknamed because it's a sign of what is really going on underneath it, more of an homage to the original pedal it's based on.

Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification. Unsolicited advice: there is a new-ish pedal by Red Panda called the Bitmap, and it's a bitcrusher. That added to my confusion. I really like your name ("Animated") for the Animato clone; maybe for the modified deluxe version you could keep the theme and go with something like "Fully Animated" or "CGI" (get it?). We can discuss my fee by convo. :D
 
I do my best :D

There's only one thing missing before I can complete the builds now and that's a stand off for the boards. Because of the board printing mirrored to what I wanted, I have to now mount them to clear the LED. Hunting them down locally is proving rather difficult and I'll need to find some at the hardware shop on my way to practice tonight.

EDIT: No builds will start until tomorrow. My local (read, 20 miles away) hardware shop has 9mm spacers which gives a very tight squeeze vertically but makes it possible. It's amazing how one slip up can have its issues but be fixed fairly easily, just more time.
 
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Those look great!! Im excited to put it on my pedalboard! Please keep updating like this, seems like a rarity in the pedal world. Your very presence here makes the wait more bearable IMO. and yes i agree about this being a FANTASTIC thread full of great info!
 
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