soul pog on bass?

[crusie]

hey,

So I'm in this 4 piece band. Drums, guitar, bass (duh) and singer. when playing live we sometimes sound a bit thin, when the guitarist is taking solos. We've tried having the singer play some guitar... he's all over the place, so I'm up for filling the part. I was thinking going the way of Royal blood, with the pog and all.

I was searching around and found this:


it's a EHX pog with a soul food, called the soul pog. I've been searching around for some bassplaying on this pedal but to no avail.

Am I simply not finding it or hasn't it been tried ? I'm thinking it's not much more expensive and I would get the soul food pedal thrown in. Maybe I'm just missing something?

Cheers

 

[Blaargh]

Isn't it just regular Soul Food circuitry and a Micro POG? The Soul Food isn't really optimised for bass so it might cut some lows (although maybe the POG can compensate?). I have no idea if they're planning one with the bass version, but I find the Bass Soul Food to be a bit too subtle. If you're going down the POG route I'd recommend getting a regular POG and getting a different OD pedal, the Soul Food isn't one of EHX's masterstroke pedals in my opinion.

In my band, I run a Digitech Bass Whammy into a Bass Big Muff Deluxe. The Whammy is a different kettle of fish to the POG, but it is cheaper and has some unique party tricks. Normally have it set to harmonise one octave below, then I can roll the treadle forward to harmonise one octave above to cut through for bass solos. It can also harmonise to a fifth above, so if you run through a good distortion/OD you get some really big powerchord sounds. It's a great sound for playing under solos, but it is a bit aggressive, so it depends what type of music you're playing.

 

[Nephilymbass]

I haven't tried the soul pog but I have owned the nano pog and tried a bass soul food in the store. From what I can remember the soul food wasn't super dirty. Many people use one of the pogs in combination with other pedals to fake a guitar when the guitar player plays a lead part. Royal blood is a band to check out as they literally have no guitar players, it's literally a drummer and a bass player with a crazy pedalboard. . At one point I was messing around with this type of setup, I used a boss LS-2 as a blend with a nano pog running into a tech 21 gt2) it was definetly cool. But it took up a lot of room on my board and our guitarists doesn't really play solos. His lead parts are mostly really simple harmonies overtop of the chords. I found the better solution for us was to sample the guitar harmonies using the digitech jamman which I actually use as a foot controlled sampler.

 

[crusie]

Isn't it just regular Soul Food circuitry and a Micro POG? The Soul Food isn't really optimised for bass so it might cut some lows (although maybe the POG can compensate?). I have no idea if they're planning one with the bass version, but I find the Bass Soul Food to be a bit too subtle. If you're going down the POG route I'd recommend getting a regular POG and getting a different OD pedal, the Soul Food isn't one of EHX's masterstroke pedals in my opinion.

In my band, I run a Digitech Bass Whammy into a Bass Big Muff Deluxe. The Whammy is a different kettle of fish to the POG, but it is cheaper and has some unique party tricks. Normally have it set to harmonise one octave below, then I can roll the treadle forward to harmonise one octave above to cut through for bass solos. It can also harmonise to a fifth above, so if you run through a good distortion/OD you get some really big powerchord sounds. It's a great sound for playing under solos, but it is a bit aggressive, so it depends what type of music you're playing.

well we play hard rock I'd say - this is the only track we have out yet - - In this track it's not so much an issue - but some of the others we could use some extra filling when he's soloing - I think the bass whammy might be a bit over the top - I really don't dig the slides

I haven't tried the soul pog but I have owned the nano pog and tried a bass soul food in the store. From what I can remember the soul food wasn't super dirty. Many people use one of the pogs in combination with other pedals to fake a guitar when the guitar player plays a lead part. Royal blood is a band to check out as they literally have no guitar players, it's literally a drummer and a bass player with a crazy pedalboard. . At one point I was messing around with this type of setup, I used a boss LS-2 as a blend with a nano pog running into a tech 21 gt2) it was definetly cool. But it took up a lot of room on my board and our guitarists doesn't really play solos. His lead parts are mostly really simple harmonies overtop of the chords. I found the better solution for us was to sample the guitar harmonies using the digitech jamman which I actually use as a foot controlled sampler.

Yeah Royal blood was the band giving me the idea - I just thought that maybe the soul food part of the soul pog would work as overdrive/distortion for the guitar sound. Plus you know - here you would have the option to use the soul food alone for more dirt on the bass - you can never have to many gain stages

 

[Blaargh]

well we play hard rock I'd say - this is the only track we have out yet - - In this track it's not so much an issue - but some of the others we could use some extra filling when he's soloing - I think the bass whammy might be a bit over the top - I really don't dig the slides



Yeah Royal blood was the band giving me the idea - I just thought that maybe the soul food part of the soul pog would work as overdrive/distortion for the guitar sound. Plus you know - here you would have the option to use the soul food alone for more dirt on the bass - you can never have to many gain stages

I don't really use the slides much myself unless I'm being silly (well, apart from the divebomb), I like having two harmonies available without having to twiddle.

This is another (ableit very different) bass/drum duo, the bassist uses a Boss OC-2 to get into the guitar register and the Whammy is set to 5th harmonies (as far as I can tell with my rig). Granted he's going through several OD pedals, but you can tell it's pretty wild.


If you're really gunning for Royal Blood stuff, these guys get pretty close. It's supposed to be on a budget, but after you've bought a guitar amp it ain't exactly cheap.

I'd still say go for a better OD pedal though. Maybe save some money and get a Boss OC-3 and spend the extra on some fancy boutique drive? If you're only doing one octave up then the Boss should handle that fine.

 

[Cuzzie]

For me I found the POG was always a bit thin and not very organic sounding, it's in the title, it's very polyphonic.

Instead of trying to fill the higher end, I have tried in our 3 piece to really own the mids and lows and fatten the sound that way whilst the guitarist has a little play on his solo type stuff.
I use a couple or Darkglass pedals but also a Mantic beef bag and can get some warmth and OD

 

[Cuzzie]

Oh I also use an EBS octave pedal for a low octave and occasionally POG, but only with a slight octave up dial in

 

[crusie]

For me I found the POG was always a bit thin and not very organic sounding, it's in the title, it's very polyphonic.

Instead of trying to fill the higher end, I have tried in our 3 piece to really own the mids and lows and fatten the sound that way whilst the guitarist has a little play on his solo type stuff.
I use a couple or Darkglass pedals but also a Mantic beef bag and can get some warmth and OD

that's what I'm doing now - going Fred Astaire on my grit boxes when the guitarist is soloing - but it really doesn't sound like a rythm guitar in the background. Indeed it makes the bass fill up the void.

Blaarg - do you have some footage of you filling in the role with the whammy? I'm asking because it could be a viable way I think - just wondering why a band like Royal Blood chooses the pog over the whammy - from what I've researched he has an octave up ( the pog) going into a harmonizer (boss I think) for the 5th when he wants power chords. seems like the whammy could do both. Only negatives I can find is that the whammy doesn't have a dry out (could be fixed with some ABY or swichblade/splitter) No way for removing the original bass tone from the whammy (unless you use the octave up only) and then the slides.
This fellow has some nice comparisons - He's only using the pog though

 

[Driven Crane]

this tone is far from RB sound.

 

[Cuzzie]

I know for a fact he has 2 POG's with equalisers, as well as a whole host of other things.
Having heard them live his sound is immense, but if you have a guitarist, own the mids and lows, it's inly for his/her face melting solos so should not be too much of a deal