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I got my C4 a week ago and this is my experience so far:
I had problems sending presets to the pedal from my android phone until I disabled all sound effects. After that all went smooth.
There are many usable presets but they vary in input gain and volume so some adjustments are necessary.
My Fender Professional Jazz bass has low output and therefore I have to crank the input gain, both on pedal and preset to the maximum, to trigger a note with certainty. Still, if i don't dig in, I might get dead notes here and there. It tracks very well.
I have had some problems with the Neuro application on PC. While making corrections to presets, with the C4 connected via a USB cable, the preset resets to default for no reason from time to time.
I wish the application had undo :)
So far, I like it.
 
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I got my C4 a week ago and this is my experience so far:
I had problems sending presets to the pedal from my android phone until I disabled all sound effects. After that all went smooth.
There are many usable presets but they vary in input gain and volume so some adjustments are necessary.
My Fender Professional Jazz bass has low output and therefore I have to crank the input gain, both on pedal and preset to the maximum, to trigger a note with certainty. Still, if i don't dig in, I might get dead notes here and there. It tracks very well.
I have had some problems with the Neuro application on PC. While making corrections to presets, with the C4 connected via a USB cable, the preset resets to default for no reason from time to time.
I wish the application had undo :)
So far, I like it.
I have seen people with problems on PC and have to say the only times i have encountered any issues were either when my Neuro was out of date or if I had too many programs open on my PC, especially a music player app for some reason,once I realized that and closed unused programs I have not had any issues.
 
I got my C4 a week ago and this is my experience so far:
I had problems sending presets to the pedal from my android phone until I disabled all sound effects. After that all went smooth.
There are many usable presets but they vary in input gain and volume so some adjustments are necessary.
My Fender Professional Jazz bass has low output and therefore I have to crank the input gain, both on pedal and preset to the maximum, to trigger a note with certainty. Still, if i don't dig in, I might get dead notes here and there. It tracks very well.
I have had some problems with the Neuro application on PC. While making corrections to presets, with the C4 connected via a USB cable, the preset resets to default for no reason from time to time.
I wish the application had undo :)
So far, I like it.

Yeah, theres' definitely some uneven patches out there. I did go through today and and of the patches I DL'ed to my pedal I adjusted to roughly match unity output. I haven't gone through and adjusted input on those but that's next.

...also started to play with the interface and banged my first patch into place. I'll try it sometime this week with the band. Sat with the manual and the pedal next to me and my laptop and started to fool about about. It'll take sometime to figure out things like filter styles for what I want to hear. Definitely a lot to unpack.

Also, Preset mode seems to be where I want to be. I think I'd rather be able to save on the fly, then re-tweak and save as needed.
 
Yeah, theres' definitely some uneven patches out there. I did go through today and and of the patches I DL'ed to my pedal I adjusted to roughly match unity output. I haven't gone through and adjusted input on those but that's next.

...also started to play with the interface and banged my first patch into place. I'll try it sometime this week with the band. Sat with the manual and the pedal next to me and my laptop and started to fool about about. It'll take sometime to figure out things like filter styles for what I want to hear. Definitely a lot to unpack.

Also, Preset mode seems to be where I want to be. I think I'd rather be able to save on the fly, then re-tweak and save as needed.

Given the communal nature of the presets, I'd imagine volume will always be a concern when downloading someone else's. My Ibanez has very hot Bartolinis, so I end up with presets that are loud enough for me using my fingers, though I'd imagine would not be nearly loud enough for a passive P bass. I haven't spent much time testing the various presets with a pick, since I'm mainly fingerstyle these days, the exception being when I dig in too hard because I either can't hear and give myself a blister, or I'm excited. I'd imagine even with it set for my hot pickups, adding a pick would cause a volume spike. But it has taught me to go straight to the output volume when I try out sounds. If only I had twice the time to pick my way through all the various patches as well as use fingers...
 
Funny that y'all are talking about volume levels just now - came back to the thread to share my experience with the C4 after putting it through 5-6 gigs. Main takeaway is that it sounds amazing but volume consistency is a huge problem so far. One night it's too loud, go home and make adjustments, next night too quiet, try to edit volume at the gig via the app and end up overwriting my patch with something completely different. I might try bringing my laptop to our next rehearsal and tweak levels via the desktop app while we're near gig volumes.
 
Funny that y'all are talking about volume levels just now - came back to the thread to share my experience with the C4 after putting it through 5-6 gigs. Main takeaway is that it sounds amazing but volume consistency is a huge problem so far. One night it's too loud, go home and make adjustments, next night too quiet, try to edit volume at the gig via the app and end up overwriting my patch with something completely different. I might try bringing my laptop to our next rehearsal and tweak levels via the desktop app while we're near gig volumes.

I'm not super surprised given there's lots of juggling of levels of different voices and stages along the way. This was an issue for me with my Future Impact too and I find that the C4 is a bit more responsive and has more refined touch for the output volume in the interface and the pedal. It's not C4-specific though, this is something that I go through with other pedals too.

A couple thoughts:

If you're like me, my 'home practice/editing' environment is fairly different from my live performance environment. My stage gear is generally packed away or in our van. That rig is 6' tall and 2500w of power with a really wide frequency response that's fairly flat and accurate. At home I use a basic 112 (Avatar) and a LM2 for practice. It's not even or all the representative but it doesn't put cracks in my foundation slab either.

By nature stuff that seems balanced for volume and tone is different when I get into the live setting. So I count on 'ballparking' at home and adjusting during soundcheck'. Doing it with volume is easier than tone though. My stage rig can produce stuff above and below that my home rig can't I won't know how deep it'll go until we hit stage. ;)

Best chances for success from my perspective:

-The C4's default setting is 'standard mode'. The very first thing I did was move to "preset mode". That way you can adjust the stuff you need (like output volume on a patch) then hold the main button to save it in the pedal. You don't need the editor to fluff with your settings and save. The light flashes when you've changed a setting so that you know it's changed from the original patch and you can decide to save or not.

-If you've got output volume problems and don't love the alt/volume situation on the C4...set one of the CTRL knobs to output volume at least until you're totally dialed in and saved. Then switch it back to whatever after you've got things fine tuned at a later date. On envelope filters my biggest tweak is the sensitivity, so I set one of the knobs to that always and I adjust it every show so it's one of my CTRLs on my envelopes.

Hey @rsmith601 one quick request...a setting for the alt function button (in the Neuro editor globals for C4) to make the alt button last longer than 6 seconds. It's just not enough time to make an adjustment then test it effectively and I found myself hitting it and re-hitting it a bunch of times to get my fine tuning on sensitivity just right. Either an opt for a longer time or 'hit the button to get out of alt mode' would be really great.
 
I'm not super surprised given there's lots of juggling of levels of different voices and stages along the way. This was an issue for me with my Future Impact too and I find that the C4 is a bit more responsive and has more refined touch for the output volume in the interface and the pedal. It's not C4-specific though, this is something that I go through with other pedals too.

A couple thoughts:

If you're like me, my 'home practice/editing' environment is fairly different from my live performance environment. My stage gear is generally packed away or in our van. That rig is 6' tall and 2500w of power with a really wide frequency response that's fairly flat and accurate. At home I use a basic 112 (Avatar) and a LM2 for practice. It's not even or all the representative but it doesn't put cracks in my foundation slab either.

By nature stuff that seems balanced for volume and tone is different when I get into the live setting. So I count on 'ballparking' at home and adjusting during soundcheck'. Doing it with volume is easier than tone though. My stage rig can produce stuff above and below that my home rig can't I won't know how deep it'll go until we hit stage. ;)

Best chances for success from my perspective:

-The C4's default setting is 'standard mode'. The very first thing I did was move to "preset mode". That way you can adjust the stuff you need (like output volume on a patch) then hold the main button to save it in the pedal. You don't need the editor to fluff with your settings and save. The light flashes when you've changed a setting so that you know it's changed from the original patch and you can decide to save or not.

-If you've got output volume problems and don't love the alt/volume situation on the C4...set one of the CTRL knobs to output volume at least until you're totally dialed in and saved. Then switch it back to whatever after you've got things fine tuned at a later date. On envelope filters my biggest tweak is the sensitivity, so I set one of the knobs to that always and I adjust it every show so it's one of my CTRLs on my envelopes.

Hey @rsmith601 one quick request...a setting for the alt function button (in the Neuro editor globals for C4) to make the alt button last longer than 6 seconds. It's just not enough time to make an adjustment then test it effectively and I found myself hitting it and re-hitting it a bunch of times to get my fine tuning on sensitivity just right. Either an opt for a longer time or 'hit the button to get out of alt mode' would be really great.
Yes, that sounds useful. @Gibs210 can we add this to the wish list?
 
Yes, that sounds useful. @Gibs210 can we add this to the wish list?

I appreciate it. I thought maybe I'm just not as quick as others but in my second round of informed (aka with manual in front of me) tweaking I did feel like I was hitting that Alt button a whole bunch of times, both on the sensitivity and on the volume. :)
 
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Any multi-stage programmable pedal with presets created on a wide variety of pickups is going to have volume level issues from time to time. There is no way to avoid it.

Might I suggest to the guys who have 'em in their rig, a limiter or compressor set to as close to limit as you can get for the purpose of testing sounds when you do it to protect your speakers. Then after a blast you can roll that master volume on the C4 back to compensate.
 
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I have CC changes working well from my Soleman. Only problem is that I have to click on and off each time. When these foot switches are set to Radio, they do not automatically switch off when the next footswitch is pushed. Am I missing something in the command settings in panel mode for the footswitch, or is it because it is a CC?
 
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I have CC changes working well from my Soleman. Only problem is that I have to click on and off each time. When these foot switches are set to Radio, they do not automatically switch off when the next footswitch is pushed. Am I missing something in the command settings in panel mode for the footswitch, or is it because it is a CC?
What are your CC messages controlling exactly?
 
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I'm not super surprised given there's lots of juggling of levels of different voices and stages along the way. This was an issue for me with my Future Impact too and I find that the C4 is a bit more responsive and has more refined touch for the output volume in the interface and the pedal. It's not C4-specific though, this is something that I go through with other pedals too.

A couple thoughts:

If you're like me, my 'home practice/editing' environment is fairly different from my live performance environment. My stage gear is generally packed away or in our van. That rig is 6' tall and 2500w of power with a really wide frequency response that's fairly flat and accurate. At home I use a basic 112 (Avatar) and a LM2 for practice. It's not even or all the representative but it doesn't put cracks in my foundation slab either.

By nature stuff that seems balanced for volume and tone is different when I get into the live setting. So I count on 'ballparking' at home and adjusting during soundcheck'. Doing it with volume is easier than tone though. My stage rig can produce stuff above and below that my home rig can't I won't know how deep it'll go until we hit stage. ;)

Best chances for success from my perspective:

-The C4's default setting is 'standard mode'. The very first thing I did was move to "preset mode". That way you can adjust the stuff you need (like output volume on a patch) then hold the main button to save it in the pedal. You don't need the editor to fluff with your settings and save. The light flashes when you've changed a setting so that you know it's changed from the original patch and you can decide to save or not.

-If you've got output volume problems and don't love the alt/volume situation on the C4...set one of the CTRL knobs to output volume at least until you're totally dialed in and saved. Then switch it back to whatever after you've got things fine tuned at a later date. On envelope filters my biggest tweak is the sensitivity, so I set one of the knobs to that always and I adjust it every show so it's one of my CTRLs on my envelopes.

Hey @rsmith601 one quick request...a setting for the alt function button (in the Neuro editor globals for C4) to make the alt button last longer than 6 seconds. It's just not enough time to make an adjustment then test it effectively and I found myself hitting it and re-hitting it a bunch of times to get my fine tuning on sensitivity just right. Either an opt for a longer time or 'hit the button to get out of alt mode' would be really great.

I strongly Second @BurningSkies suggestion here after my live bullet test, I thought I had levels dialed very well but in reality 60%, luckily the sound guy saved me in the mains and mons. On the plus side all the sounds were a huge hit, used about a dozen and they all got approval.
 
Hi all,
I've been offline and away the last month and in the meantime acquired a new phone. Google Pixel 3 with USB C to minijack dongle. I can't get the Neuro app to successfully transmit presets. Did I miss anything? I'm on the latest Neuro App version for Android...