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[MascisMan]

I'm very new to the C4 but I went with the DMC micro myself. Our catalog of material is huge, the BL is usually the only one with a setlist so I have to be ready on the fly. Right now I'm at 8 patches and I velcro a list to my board with the number/song name. Seems to work! I can imagine once I get upwards of 20+ patches I'm going to have to somehow strategically order them so its not a tap dancing issue. Cat plays no role in patch switching, btw.

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The C4 crushed last night - outperformed the now-booted SY-1 by a longshot. Last night was the first gig with all my sounds being set to the C4 after kicking the SY-1 to the curb. I used to have sounds split between the two pedals, but had issues with the Boss SY-1 - there's no way to swap patches without bending over and tweaking knobs. Just killed the flow of an "on the fly" set. The only thing I miss is the "hold" function the SY-1 had, but I can live with that.

Someone came up at break and complemented me on one of my sounds, "dude when you made that (whatever patch I was on), it sounded sick!!".. That never happened with the SY-1, lol. People actually noticed the bass player last night - considering we are a three piece, well... uh, yeah...

Nice. I dig the cheat sheet

 

[gustobassman]

Nice. I dig the cheat sheet

Thanks! Two pieces of stiff packing tape make a great pseudo laminate. I use leftover velcro that came with the pedalboard. Since I'm using tape, it's easy to remove and reuse the velcro when I need to change my patch order/numbering. The adhesive seems to stay pretty sticky.

 

[JRMK]

is there any other way to control C4 presets from pedalboard than DMC Micro/Baby?

Can be other controlers from DMC line ... I just look for options that enable
1. turn the pedal on by single click and not tap and hold swith
2. ideally that could allow to skip the presets faster than just by 1 at a time

 

[Quatschmacher]

is there any other way to control C4 presets from pedalboard than DMC Micro/Baby?

Can be other controlers from DMC line ... I just look for options that enable
1. turn the pedal on by single click and not tap and hold swith
2. ideally that could allow to skip the presets faster than just by 1 at a time

Yes, with the Hub you can use any controller.

 

[Gibs210]

is there any other way to control C4 presets from pedalboard than DMC Micro/Baby?

Can be other controlers from DMC line ... I just look for options that enable
1. turn the pedal on by single click and not tap and hold swith
2. ideally that could allow to skip the presets faster than just by 1 at a time

Any gen3 dmc will be able to control it, as well as the dpc 5, not sure about the 8

 

[JRMK]

Thanks a mill guys!

 

[sunbeast]

is there any other way to control C4 presets from pedalboard than DMC Micro/Baby?

Can be other controlers from DMC line ... I just look for options that enable
1. turn the pedal on by single click and not tap and hold swith
2. ideally that could allow to skip the presets faster than just by 1 at a time

As mentioned, any of the DMC MK3 controllers will control it via USB cable (so requiring no extra hub), or using the Neuro Hub or a DMC Micro.Ghost box you can use most standard MIDI controllers.
The DMC pedals have multiple modes to communicate with the C4- the one you seem to be describing is the "Device Mode" which just scrolls up and down through the internal presets of a single pedal. You can configure the DMC to either bypass or engage when it scrolls to the next preset in "Device Mode". The Mk3 controllers also have a "Preset Mode", which entails creating a preset into the DMC device itself that is capable of sending multiple MIDI messages at once to the C4 (so one message to recall internal C4 preset/patch "x" and another message to simultaneously either "engage" or "disengage" the C4 depending on how you programmed it). You can do both of these modes with the DMC Micro. I think most people use the Micro in "Device Mode", but it is much more versatile by creating individual presets on the controller itself and using the "Preset Mode" to call up presets instead (most importantly you aren't forced to scroll consecutively through the internal presets of the C4). The larger DMC controllers do mostly the same thing, except that each "preset" you make in "Preset Mode" will actually be a bank of presets that you can recall with the individual footswitches (on the DMC8 this is 4 of the footswitches that are A,B,C,D- great for breaking the presets into particular songs with a footswitch for a different tone/settings for each part).

 

[4Mal]

Soleman and Hub offer the advantage of having one vendor with which to coordinate when things are not as planned. Once you suss the everything on one page UI for the Soleman and have a grasp on the midi function maps of your midi devices, the Soleman is easy to program noank of course you can already name your presets. I gather that is coming for dad devices at some point.

The disadvantage is of course size. Outweighed by flexibility for me.

I may at some point add a Micro (or maybe an MB3) in and use it for control of my Future Impact.

 

[Quatschmacher]

I may at some point add a Micro (or maybe an MB3) in and use it for control of my Future Impact.

Couldn’t you just use the Soleman to control the FI?

 

[4Mal]

Couldn’t you just use the Soleman to control the FI?

That's what I'm doing now. What I'm pondering is if I should arrange some variations on a theme patches sequentially. Maybe the variations vary in intensity or maybe one adds grind or modulation... Patches I might want back to back in a given song.

I would select a Soleman scene that engages an HX patch including an efx loop, turns off the Spectrum and C4, engages the FI on the base patch of the sequence. Then use a simple dedicated up/down switch to traverse the sequence.

The benefit would be fewer complex Soleman scenes. I am trying to use the Soleman as the master controller. Native HX Snapshot functionality and maybe this more local control of the FI.

I may be overthinking this. Wouldn't be the first time...

 

[LaklandLaksNADA]

Another c4 nub question...

Does output run to both output 1 & 2 when the pedal is disengaged? Or only output1 and 2 comes into play when the pedal is on and signal is routed to it?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Another c4 nub question...

Does output run to both output 1 & 2 when the pedal is disengaged? Or only output1 and 2 comes into play when the pedal is on and signal is routed to it?

It depends how it is set up in the options.

 

[4Mal]

Another c4 nub question...

Does output run to both output 1 & 2 when the pedal is disengaged? Or only output1 and 2 comes into play when the pedal is on and signal is routed to it?

The routing is (or at least can be) a function of the settings in each patch. You get to choose the destination for the input.

Suggestion.... save yourself some pain. Watch Zach Rizer's (aka Proton Lenny) video on the C4 and editor. It will save you weeks of messing about....

 

[LaklandLaksNADA]

The routing is (or at least can be) a function of the settings in each patch. You get to choose the destination for the input.

Suggestion.... save yourself some pain. Watch Zach Rizer's (aka Proton Lenny) video on the C4 and editor. It will save you weeks of messing about....

I went through that video previously, but admittedly I was multi tasking and it was on in the background. Need to do a deep dive through it. Thanks!

 

[AlexanderB]

I have actually read most of this thread, but not bought the pedal yet. Still have a user/setup question.
Is it possible to use pedal + smart phone (or iPad) to load and tweak sounds, at least for band practice (if not for gigs)?
I could get by with six program slots for gigs, but to find the right settings, I would really like to have the whole preset portfolio + editing available during rehearsal.

There is no way I see a $300 pedal purchase grow into a $600 midi rig, and I have no intention to run a midi setup for a handful (max!) of songs in a gig.

Thanks!

 

[Quatschmacher]

I have actually read most of this thread, but not bought the pedal yet. Still have a user/setup question.
Is it possible to use pedal + smart phone (or iPad) to load and tweak sounds, at least for band practice (if not for gigs)?
I could get by with six program slots for gigs, but to find the right settings, I would really like to have the whole preset portfolio + editing available during rehearsal.

There is no way I see a $300 pedal purchase grow into a $600 midi rig, and I have no intention to run a midi setup for a handful (max!) of songs in a gig.

Thanks!

Short answer: yes.

 

[StormJH1]

I joined the forum primarily for this thread! Mostly a guitar player, but I have a bass, and am working on incorporating bass playing more with my looper setup.

I got the C4 on Saturday. Had some initial frustrations with setup, but after dragging my pedalboard up to my desktop computer and loading in several dozen patches, I love it! It really delivers on the type of sounds I was hoping to get from it (and could not get from the BOSS SY-1).

Here's the issue though - all weekend, I have been unable to control the preset changes using either the iPhone app or my Disaster Area Midi Baby 3. I studied this and other threads for hours sorting out how to control the C4 when it arrived, and the only thing that has worked is either wiring it to a desktop computer, or the Midi Pro Pad iPhone app recommended a few hundred posts ago on this thread. The iPhone app is essentially worthless, since it fails to load your saved presets or the community presets about 90% of the time, and you can't store them in the phone's memory. So, MIDI switching is the best (and only real) option.

I know that the preferred Disaster Area device is the DMC Micro, but I already had the MIDI Baby 3, and it should work. Can anyone help with what I might be doing wrong? I set up the MIDI Baby 3 in USB Host mode, and tried sending both "Program Change" messages and CC #104 messages from the MB3, and it never responded to anything. It was set to transmit on MIDI Channel 1. The same device successfully controlled my HX Stomp on MIDI Channel 2. What are the actual MIDI commands I should be sending to just count up by one on the presets?

And, here's another thought - if the HX Stomp has MIDI Thru, would I just be better off using the Stomp's MIDI Out/Thru and sending the message to a 3.5mm MIDI cable, instead trying to use the mini USB cable with adapter?

Thanks!

 

[sunbeast]

I joined the forum primarily for this thread! Mostly a guitar player, but I have a bass, and am working on incorporating bass playing more with my looper setup.

I got the C4 on Saturday. Had some initial frustrations with setup, but after dragging my pedalboard up to my desktop computer and loading in several dozen patches, I love it! It really delivers on the type of sounds I was hoping to get from it (and could not get from the BOSS SY-1).

Here's the issue though - all weekend, I have been unable to control the preset changes using either the iPhone app or my Disaster Area Midi Baby 3. I studied this and other threads for hours sorting out how to control the C4 when it arrived, and the only thing that has worked is either wiring it to a desktop computer, or the Midi Pro Pad iPhone app recommended a few hundred posts ago on this thread. The iPhone app is essentially worthless, since it fails to load your saved presets or the community presets about 90% of the time, and you can't store them in the phone's memory. So, MIDI switching is the best (and only real) option.

I know that the preferred Disaster Area device is the DMC Micro, but I already had the MIDI Baby 3, and it should work. Can anyone help with what I might be doing wrong? I set up the MIDI Baby 3 in USB Host mode, and tried sending both "Program Change" messages and CC #104 messages from the MB3, and it never responded to anything. It was set to transmit on MIDI Channel 1. The same device successfully controlled my HX Stomp on MIDI Channel 2. What are the actual MIDI commands I should be sending to just count up by one on the presets?

And, here's another thought - if the HX Stomp has MIDI Thru, would I just be better off using the Stomp's MIDI Out/Thru and sending the message to a 3.5mm MIDI cable, instead trying to use the mini USB cable with adapter?

Thanks!

For the MIDI Baby, there is an option in the “Hardware Options” called “USB-skip MIDI Power Check” that should be selected to use the Baby according to the C4 manual. It should work fine with the C4, just incredibly limited as to what it can do having only a single switch.

You are saying that neither the iPhone MIDI app or Neuro app are working for you? It is possible that some other app is effecting the audio output on your phone which screws with the Neuro communication (also try adjusting output volume). Neither app should need internal storage in order to recall presets already saved inside the C4. I won’t comment on use of the MIDI app as I haven’t tried anything like that.

The C4 can’t receive MIDI commands via anything but the USB or Neuro Hub (so the 3.55mm idea is a no-go)

 

[StormJH1]

For the MIDI Baby, there is an option in the “Hardware Options” called “USB-skip MIDI Power Check” that should be selected to use the Baby according to the C4 manual. It should work fine with the C4, just incredibly limited as to what it can do having only a single switch.

You are saying that neither the iPhone MIDI app or Neuro app are working for you? It is possible that some other app is effecting the audio output on your phone which screws with the Neuro communication (also try adjusting output volume). Neither app should need internal storage in order to recall presets already saved inside the C4. I won’t comment on use of the MIDI app as I haven’t tried anything like that.

The C4 can’t receive MIDI commands via anything but the USB or Neuro Hub (so the 3.55mm idea is a no-go)

Thank you for responding. Okay, so the Control jack MIDI plan is out - got it.

I need to go look for the USB Skip MIDI power check option on my MB3. I did not see that in any of the posts I came across - only the need to put it in USB host mode. Will try.

Are you guys using Program Changes, or CC104 commands to recall presets?

 

[sunbeast]

Thank you for responding. Okay, so the Control jack MIDI plan is out - got it.

I need to go look for the USB Skip MIDI power check option on my MB3. I did not see that in any of the posts I came across - only the need to put it in USB host mode. Will try.

Are you guys using Program Changes, or CC104 commands to recall presets?

That power check option is in the C4 Hardware Options on either desktop or mobile app. The C4 manual specifically mentions the Midi Baby as a device that may not work without selecting it.
I've been using a larger DMC controller and it is preconfigured for patch-changes for each specific device via the controller firmware so I'm actually not sure which method they used. Either should be fine, but I think PC makes sense when you are just scrolling from a single button device