source audio c4

[MascisMan]

Gimme a couple of days and I'll record some pads that I've been creating with my bass. You won't get one patch on the C4 to do the kind of multi textural stuff in your link. There's a lot of layers, samples, LPF and verbs going on there. However a good start is "Stringish", "G Pad" patches....You will want to pass it through some kind of modulation like a big quad chorus. Then add some crystals (I use a H9) but the Collider has great options. Then into a nice big delay (Nemesis). From there you want a sweet reverb, I use a Hall or Carnie patches from my 2nd H9. One big pad....But you won't get the delicacy from just the C4, but it make s great source pad to work on.

Good thoughts and thank you!

Yep, I run the C4 in the loop of my Quad Cortex so I can combine whatever preset in the C4 along with onboard Chorus/Delay/Reverb from the QC together.

Looking forward to you hearing what you come up with!

 

[PaulS]

Hey all, got a question. If you were to use the Morningstar MC6, is your only choice the Micro Ghost or Source Audio Hub as an interface? Having to spend another hundred to use midi after spending over $200 for the C4 seems rough. The reason I want to use the Morningstar is because of the computer interface to set up all your patches. I do have a DIsaster area controller now, but I just cannot get used to it when it comes to programming it. For someone who is basically a midi beginner, it’s been a struggle to use. Thanks and I apologize if this has been covered but there are so many pages to go through

 

[Vic Winters]

Hey all, got a question. If you were to use the Morningstar MC6, is your only choice the Micro Ghost or Source Audio Hub as an interface? Having to spend another hundred to use midi after spending over $200 for the C4 seems rough. The reason I want to use the Morningstar is because of the computer interface to set up all your patches. I do have a DIsaster area controller now, but I just cannot get used to it when it comes to programming it. For someone who is basically a midi beginner, it’s been a struggle to use. Thanks and I apologize if this has been covered but there are so many pages to go through

What Disaster Area controller do you have? I'm pretty sure all their Gen 3 stuff can be put into Host mode and will relay the messages.

 

[PaulS]

I have a DMC-4, but I have a lot of trouble programming it which is why I was going to switch to the Morningstar

 

[Gibs210]

I have a DMC-4, but I have a lot of trouble programming it which is why I was going to switch to the Morningstar

Not sure that disaster area has released it yet for the dmc 4, but the micro had an update that allowed for use of the multi jack into the control input using the neuro cable, thus leaving the usb jack open on the C4 for the editor. You can use the dmc with the morning star, the dmc can be set to pass data through so that you could use both the dmc and the morning star to control the C4.

 

[PaulS]

Not sure that disaster area has released it yet for the dmc 4, but the micro had an update that allowed for use of the multi jack into the control input using the neuro cable, thus leaving the usb jack open on the C4 for the editor. You can use the dmc with the morning star, the dmc can be set to pass data through so that you could use both the dmc and the morning star to control the C4.

oh so I might be able to just use that instead of buying the hubs

 

[Gibs210]

oh so I might be able to just use that instead of buying the hubs

Yea, you could use the dmc 4 instead of the micro ghost, but you’d then have to disconnect the usb connection to use the desktop editor on the C4.

 

[paco weht]

Hi! Now I'm having trouble with the stereo routing.
The simplest example would be: inputs 1 and 2 connected, from different sources. Outputs 1 and 2 connected, to different channels.
I have my bass direct to input 2, and output 2 goes straight to my amp. Input selection is in Autodetect mode. Pedal bypassed. Doesn't sound.
Should bypass mode work this way? What am I missing here?
Thanks!

 

[Gibs210]

Hi! Now I'm having trouble with the stereo routing.
The simplest example would be: inputs 1 and 2 connected, from different sources. Outputs 1 and 2 connected, to different channels.
I have my bass direct to input 2, and output 2 goes straight to my amp. Input selection is in Autodetect mode. Pedal bypassed. Doesn't sound.
Should bypass mode work this way? What am I missing here?
Thanks!

Do you have buffered bypass enabled?

 

[paco weht]

Do you have buffered bypass enabled?

No, true bypass

 

[Gibs210]

No, true bypass

Try setting it to buffered, true bypass isn’t great when running complex routings.

 

[GMC]

Gimme a couple of days and I'll record some pads that I've been creating with my bass. You won't get one patch on the C4 to do the kind of multi textural stuff in your link. There's a lot of layers, samples, LPF and verbs going on there. However a good start is "Stringish", "G Pad" patches. I've edited these to my own patch, which I'll get around to publishing soon. It's a start. You will want to put it through a low pass filter to take the top end harshness off. I've done this in my C4 patch and assigned the LPF to the expression pedal. You will want to pass it through some kind of modulation like a big quad chorus. Then add some crystals (I use a H9) but the Collider has great options. Then into a nice big delay (Nemesis). From there you want a sweet reverb, I use a Hall or Carnie patches from my 2nd H9. One big pad. I use my EQ2 with an expression pedal. This acts a big volume swell, low pass filter or mid dip EQ depending on my selected patch). You can certainly get in the ball park and something that sounds nice and ethereal. Another option is to take out the chordal harmoniser on the C4 patch and pass it to a +3rd and 5th harmoniser on my H9...that's nice too.
But you won't get the delicacy from just the C4, but it make s great source pad to work on.

Ok tell me what you think:
I'm aiming for a useful melancholy Pad like ambient swell...
G/F/A/E 100% pure bass tone. I lifted this simple progression off of my last Sunday's chords. Same riff with my C4 patch engaged. Same again but with the Low Pass Filter opened up on the C4. Then the Low pass filter is re-applied through the chord progression. Then I add some Quad Chorus (GMC Quad Chorus patch on my SA Luna).
I then add some ambience from my SA Nemesis. Play with the LPF and add some Crystals (H9). I then add some "Carne" one of the H9's big Reverbs. I then start undoing the various layers. I end on just the C4 and Low Pass filter. I then added the full Chord of G as a long pad, which has some thing like a 25 second trail on it.

 

[AlexanderB]

Beautiful soundscape.

 

[GMC]

I've published a C4 Pre-Set called "GMC Pad 1". Which is the core synth / strings patch. I would advise an expression pedal to control the low pass filter to taste, unfortunately this function can't be mapped to a control knob. To be honest...if you are using a C4...you really need to add an expression pedal to it as there are a number of things that you can only really do with an EXP pedal attached. The best method is via Midi...so you save the port for the hub. If you have a faderfox, then it's an easy map of one of the knobs to the right midi CC map value. It's important that the C4 is early in your chain with the LPF. This dulls down the pad and gives the Crystals some space and chance to breathe. The crystals needs to be unfiltered, but reacting to the pad input. Ideally, Stereo. The Chorus is next in the chain and this is a stereo patch, it's got a narrow Q +9db boost at 3Khz which will make the crystals really sparkle through the sound space. Then into the Nemesis for some long ambient delays, followed by an optional big verb.
I've also published the stereo Quad Chorus pre-set that I was using on my Lunar - "GMC PAD1 Quad Chorus". And the Diffuse setting on my Nemesis - "GMC PAD1 - Diffuse". all three are published under my community name of GazzaJagman.
I used a pair of generic H9 patches, Crystals (mix down to about 40%) and Carnegie verb. Both of these have similar effects in the SA world. Helix on the Nemesis or Shimmer on the Ventris could be used. The E-dome on the Ventris could easily be used for the big Verb.

 

[MascisMan]

I've published a C4 Pre-Set called "GMC Pad 1". Which is the core synth / strings patch. I would advise an expression pedal to control the low pass filter to taste, unfortunately this function can't be mapped to a control knob. To be honest...if you are using a C4...you really need to add an expression pedal to it as there are a number of things that you can only really do with an EXP pedal attached. The best method is via Midi...so you save the port for the hub. If you have a faderfox, then it's an easy map of one of the knobs to the right midi CC map value. It's important that the C4 is early in your chain with the LPF. This dulls down the pad and gives the Crystals some space and chance to breathe. The crystals needs to be unfiltered, but reacting to the pad input. Ideally, Stereo. The Chorus is next in the chain and this is a stereo patch, it's got a narrow Q +9db boost at 3Khz which will make the crystals really sparkle through the sound space. Then into the Nemesis for some long ambient delays, followed by an optional big verb.
I've also published the stereo Quad Chorus pre-set that I was using on my Lunar - "GMC PAD1 Quad Chorus". And the Diffuse setting on my Nemesis - "GMC PAD1 - Diffuse". all three are published under my community name of GazzaJagman.
I used a pair of generic H9 patches, Crystals (mix down to about 40%) and Carnegie verb. Both of these have similar effects in the SA world. Helix on the Nemesis or Shimmer on the Ventris could be used. The E-dome on the Ventris could easily be used for the big Verb.

Is "Crystals" basically a shimmer verb?

 

[GMC]

Is "Crystals" basically a shimmer verb?

Kind of. A Shimmer is a type of verb, Crystals is a type of pitch shifted delay. Eventide invented the effect way back with their H3000 and since then there have been many copies and variations. Most brands have their own version and they all do the same thing. But each brand's version is different sounding (I guess because their algorithms are patented). Strymon's is called an Ice Delay. Source Audio has the Helix delay. TC Electronics call theirs CRYS.
Shimmer verbs will work too, but sound different.

 

[bassbrad]

@GMC I don't see anything there, on my end it looks like a reset patch.

 

[DrHooper]

@GMC I don't see anything there, on my end it looks like a reset patch.

Same here. Thought it was me. That does happen quite a bit; I'll click a community preset, and all knobs drop to 0. Not to derail, but does that happen to anyone else?

 

[GMC]

@GMC I don't see anything there, on my end it looks like a reset patch.

Same here. Thought it was me. That does happen quite a bit; I'll click a community preset, and all knobs drop to 0. Not to derail, but does that happen to anyone else?

Very strange, it's only happened for the C4 pre-set...very odd. Any how...I've re-published it. Is there any way to delete the old pre-set from the cloud?

 

[Buzzment]

Where do people have their C4 in the signal chain?IWhat mode do you have the C4 in..Buffered or Bypass?I have mine first in front of the amp..Then I have effects pedals in my effects loop...