source audio c4

[rsmith601]

Yes…I am altering that output level but am really having trouble getting it right. Seems like that should be easy. Is there any trick like w the input or is it just trial and error?

Hopefully some others can comment on this?

 

[deepestend]

Hopefully some others can comment on this?

I’ll do more experimenting to see if I can isolate what I’m doing wrong. Sometimes I do find that I have to just reload a preset to get back to where I started.

 

[foldyman]

Does anyone have trouble getting the level right on their C4? I'm having an issue with that. It will be fine at home. Then I get to practice, set the levels on my other pedals and tune to the room, and then I just can't get the envelopes and other patches to not be too loud. Either I don't have a strong enough input to trigger them, or they spike too loudly when engaged, or they are just much louder than my other effects and I can't seem to bring it to an appropriate level.

Feels like this should be easy to figure out! I use an Octave setting that is fine. No issues controlling that. Any advice?

I've probably not completely understood the ask, but in terms of consistent envelope behaviour, I've had really good results splitting my signal at source, then using one side to go Ch1 on the C4 via octave/distortion etc., then the other to Ch2 (but only used for pitch detection and envelope). Then it doesn't matter what mess of octaves and dirt goes in on Ch1, the envelope always behaves itself perfectly.

 

[deepestend]

I've probably not completely understood the ask, but in terms of consistent envelope behaviour, I've had really good results splitting my signal at source, then using one side to go Ch1 on the C4 via octave/distortion etc., then the other to Ch2 (but only used for pitch detection and envelope). Then it doesn't matter what mess of octaves and dirt goes in on Ch1, the envelope always behaves itself perfectly.

Do you have a patch already created that does this?

 

[warptheory]

Bug or user error
Hey everyone, I am running a spectrum with a dmc.micro.pro in usb host mode. I use this setup just to cycle through the 6 built in patches on the spectrum for now. When cycling patches up all works fine until I get to the thrust patch. The dmc shows that I am on the thrust patch but the sound does not change. Now here is the strange part. Cycling down 6 to 1 all the patches work fine. Any ideas as to what might be happening here? I am sure the the right program changes are being sent to the Spectrum.
Thanks,
Rick

Make sure that the DMC is set to C4, not Source Audio. I don't know the difference, but had a similar issue when I had it set to Source Audio instead of C4.

 

[foldyman]

Do you have a patch already created that does this?

Sort of, but I'm not sure it'd really help you.
I just have a footswitch on a midi controller that sets both envelopes and the pitch detect to input 2, as well as adjusting in the input gain on both channels to my bass specifically. Then it kind of works of any preset.

 

[deepestend]

Sort of, but I'm not sure it'd really help you.
I just have a footswitch on a midi controller that sets both envelopes and the pitch detect to input 2, as well as adjusting in the input gain on both channels to my bass specifically. Then it kind of works of any preset.

I’ll see what I can do based on your posts. I really don’t know what I’m doing in terms of settings on the desktop app. I’ve messed around a bunch but haven’t had that aha moment yet.

sounds like I’m having a mix of issues with sense and output on envelopes.

 

[bassbrad]

I’ll see what I can do based on your posts. I really don’t know what I’m doing in terms of settings on the desktop app. I’ve messed around a bunch but haven’t had that aha moment yet.

sounds like I’m having a mix of issues with sense and output on envelopes.

On my C4 and several other SA pedals I use an oversize knob that I have assigned to output volume on any patches that I plan to use live. This way I can easily adjust the level playing live and changes are saved using the Standard mode [see page 14].

 

[sunbeast]

Does anyone have trouble getting the level right on their C4? I'm having an issue with that. It will be fine at home. Then I get to practice, set the levels on my other pedals and tune to the room, and then I just can't get the envelopes and other patches to not be too loud. Either I don't have a strong enough input to trigger them, or they spike too loudly when engaged, or they are just much louder than my other effects and I can't seem to bring it to an appropriate level.

Feels like this should be easy to figure out! I use an Octave setting that is fine. No issues controlling that. Any advice?

The not triggering envelopes thing will be because of either Input Gain or Sensitivity settings. The Output level is definitely going to be sensitive to what you plug it in to, since volume sensitivity in the room is highly dependent on frequency (for example- if your cab in the practice space is more midrange-forward then a lot of filter sweeps are going to sound much louder than through a flatter or scooped cab or headphone, etc). A lot of the sounds in the C4 are super dynamic, so it makes sense that getting output levels dialed in just right will be some work.

I find it easiest to work in “Preset Mode”, where you can adjust knobs while playing through your actual rig then re-save quickly with the new settings by holding the switch down. Makes it much easier than trying to tweak with the virtual knobs for me.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Does anyone have trouble getting the level right on their C4? I'm having an issue with that. It will be fine at home. Then I get to practice, set the levels on my other pedals and tune to the room, and then I just can't get the envelopes and other patches to not be too loud. Either I don't have a strong enough input to trigger them, or they spike too loudly when engaged, or they are just much louder than my other effects and I can't seem to bring it to an appropriate level.

Feels like this should be easy to figure out! I use an Octave setting that is fine. No issues controlling that. Any advice?

Are you running other (engaged) pedals into the C4? If you are, their altered levels for the room will have an impact on the rest of the gain staging within the C4.

Have you set and saved the input level appropriate for the bass/pedals you’re using for every C4 preset too?

 

[deepestend]

Are you running other (engaged) pedals into the C4? If you are, their altered levels for the room will have an impact on the rest of the gain staging within the C4.

Have you set and saved the input level appropriate for the bass/pedals you’re using for every C4 preset too?

Good points!

 

[Rick Penrose]

Make sure that the DMC is set to C4, not Source Audio. I don't know the difference, but had a similar issue when I had it set to Source Audio instead of C4.

Will check that out thanks!

 

[StormJH1]

It can be tricky to get the volume right with C4. Yes, there is an output volume for patches that works, and it's assigned to an alternate function knob on C4. But synth sounds are different than guitar sounds in terms of both waveform and the frequency ranges in which they operate. So there can be a trickiness with "perceived volume" and how that scales to different volume levels through headphones, PA/FRFR, or a guitar amp. I do find that the volume leveling is mostly trial and error.

I won't blab on too much more about HX Stomp, but one of the nicest things about running C4 into a modeler (with MIDI) is that you can set up patch-specific adjustments to volume and EQ, apart from effects, and then save those for future use. It's much easier to level volume this way versus plugging into a PC and trying to edit and save the patches on C4. One of the tools in Helix is a High/Low EQ Shelf (popularized by YouTube's Jason Sadites), where you set a frequency and then cut or boost the levels above or below that.

You could also just use an EQ pedal after C4. I haven't tried it, but I think that would be a pretty useful (and inexpensive) way to address the problem. Though you couldn't make per-patch adjustments that way unless both pedals were hooked up to MIDI. Still, it would allow for much easier control over EQ and level and you could use both pedals in an FX loop.

 

[sunbeast]

It can be tricky to get the volume right with C4. Yes, there is an output volume for patches that works, and it's assigned to an alternate function knob on C4. But synth sounds are different than guitar sounds in terms of both waveform and the frequency ranges in which they operate. So there can be a trickiness with "perceived volume" and how that scales to different volume levels through headphones, PA/FRFR, or a guitar amp. I do find that the volume leveling is mostly trial and error.

I won't blab on too much more about HX Stomp, but one of the nicest things about running C4 into a modeler (with MIDI) is that you can set up patch-specific adjustments to volume and EQ, apart from effects, and then save those for future use. It's much easier to level volume this way versus plugging into a PC and trying to edit and save the patches on C4. One of the tools in Helix is a High/Low EQ Shelf (popularized by YouTube's Jason Sadites), where you set a frequency and then cut or boost the levels above or below that.

You could also just use an EQ pedal after C4. I haven't tried it, but I think that would be a pretty useful (and inexpensive) way to address the problem. Though you couldn't make per-patch adjustments that way unless both pedals were hooked up to MIDI. Still, it would allow for much easier control over EQ and level and you could use both pedals in an FX loop.

If you use your C4 in Preset Mode, you can adjust Output Volume on the pedal then re-save the new value by holding down the footswitch (then volume levels aren’t tied to an external device)

 

[Billyears IV]

It can be tricky to get the volume right with C4. Yes, there is an output volume for patches that works, and it's assigned to an alternate function knob on C4. But synth sounds are different than guitar sounds in terms of both waveform and the frequency ranges in which they operate. So there can be a trickiness with "perceived volume" and how that scales to different volume levels through headphones, PA/FRFR, or a guitar amp. I do find that the volume leveling is mostly trial and error.

I won't blab on too much more about HX Stomp, but one of the nicest things about running C4 into a modeler (with MIDI) is that you can set up patch-specific adjustments to volume and EQ, apart from effects, and then save those for future use. It's much easier to level volume this way versus plugging into a PC and trying to edit and save the patches on C4. One of the tools in Helix is a High/Low EQ Shelf (popularized by YouTube's Jason Sadites), where you set a frequency and then cut or boost the levels above or below that.

You could also just use an EQ pedal after C4. I haven't tried it, but I think that would be a pretty useful (and inexpensive) way to address the problem. Though you couldn't make per-patch adjustments that way unless both pedals were hooked up to MIDI. Still, it would allow for much easier control over EQ and level and you could use both pedals in an FX loop.

I run my C4 into my Ultrawave and find it v useful for eq, comp, levels to control some C4 presets. Not by my bass atm, to think of many examples, but a tight comp on UW really helps the C4 sub synth goodness preset (which i love) and been using it recently with a band song.

I find , some C4 fiter/envelopes are particularly sensitive to how strings are plucked/played/muted. So considering technique is important.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Had to cancel my birthday plans today due to being snowed in. Annoying as I was supposed to be picking up my custom Shuker bass.

On the plus side, I got to do a bit of C4 programming. I recently got to borrow a Yamaha DX7 so have been getting to grips with FM synthesis and wanted to bring some of what I’ve learned to the C4’s FM engine, particularly being able to replicate analogue style basis waveforms. I wasn’t able to accomplish everything due to some of the architectural quirks of the C4 (such as FM depth always being routed through an envelope) but I’ve managed to create a third (somewhat muted) sawtooth wave to make some big 3-saw sounds.

Also did some other FM basses.

Have posted the new patches to Neuro. Hope you enjoy them.

 

[Gsnorgathon]

Holy cow, Quatsmacher. Your birthday's spoiled, so you give us a present. Good luck with digging out of the snow and into the new Shuker!

 

[Quatschmacher]

Holy cow, Quatsmacher. Your birthday's spoiled, so you give us a present. Good luck with digging out of the snow and into the new Shuker!

Thank you. Hoping the snow will clear enough to go out to get it tomorrow.

 

[Diegombass]

Had to cancel my birthday plans today due to being snowed in. Annoying as I was supposed to be picking up my custom Shuker bass.

On the plus side, I got to do a bit of C4 programming. I recently got to borrow a Yamaha DX7 so have been getting to grips with FM synthesis and wanted to bring some of what I’ve learned to the C4’s FM engine, particularly being able to replicate analogue style basis waveforms. I wasn’t able to accomplish everything due to some of the architectural quirks of the C4 (such as FM depth always being routed through an envelope) but I’ve managed to create a third (somewhat muted) sawtooth wave to make some big 3-saw sounds.

Also did some other FM basses.

Have posted the new patches to Neuro. Hope you enjoy them.

Very inspiring patches. I know it could be intrinsic of a synth sound, but I cannot stand not controlling the volume of my sound with my fingers. So, I swapped ADSR envelopes for envelope followers on the patches that I have saved on my device.

Happy birthday QM!! And thank you very much for sharing.

 

[Quatschmacher]

Very inspiring patches. I know it could be intrinsic of a synth sound, but I cannot stand not controlling the volume of my sound with my fingers. So, I swapped ADSR envelopes for envelope followers on the patches that I have saved on my device.

Happy birthday QM!! And thank you very much for sharing.

Thanks.

Actually the way FM works on C4 is that FM depth is hard-wired to the envelope number corresponding to the sine wave number. So Sine 1’s depth is controlled by envelope 1, Sine 2’s depth is controlled by envelope 2. So you can still get a lot of dynamic response by playing around with the envelopes’ control knobs, particularly their sensitivity knobs without having to switch to envelope followers. You can also experiment with the different envelope types.