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[Gibs210]

Minor victory to report - I've successfully set up my SA168 MIDI adapter between my Boss MS-3 and my C4. Everything actually worked exactly as expected - I was doubting my technical capabilities more than the SA gear but a quick peek at a video on YT regarding the Boss MIDI setup and I was good to go. I can't find any details on this though - is the red light on the adapter supposed to be flashing constantly?

It flashes whenever it’s recieving midi data. So sounds like the boss is sending some info in the background. Maybe midi clock?

 

[joshofbass]

Just got mine last night and got up early to try it out this morning.

It's awesome. Seems like it's way more than I thought it was, the distortion stage is gonna help more than I realized.

But I might need more presets.

What are the current options? I'm working my way through the thread but haven't got to anything that's relevant to this yet.


My guesses are
1.. midi that can set every parameter instantly. Kinda like storing the presets as data in some other midi device.

2. Recording the the output the Neuro editor pushes presets to the pedal into some kind of sampler and then triggering them to change patches on the fly.

Or am I just crazy? Six might be enough?

 

[Derek Williams]

Just got mine last night and got up early to try it out this morning.

It's awesome. Seems like it's way more than I thought it was, the distortion stage is gonna help more than I realized.

But I might need more presets.

What are the current options? I'm working my way through the thread but haven't got to anything that's relevant to this yet.


My guesses are
1.. midi that can set every parameter instantly. Kinda like storing the presets as data in some other midi device.

2. Recording the the output the Neuro editor pushes presets to the pedal into some kind of sampler and then triggering them to change patches on the fly.

Or am I just crazy? Six might be enough?

You get 128 presets, but you need to use MIDI to access them.

 

[Deaj]

I just picked one of these up and it's been a bag of fun so far! There's a steep learning curve here, given that I have literally no experience with synths. Using community posted presets with similar sounds I'm beginning to wrap my head around the desktop Neuro editor. I'll be putting this to use in front of, or perhaps in the stereo effects loop of, a Fractal Audio AxeFX III, and using the AxeFX and it's FC6 foot controller to recall presets (that's the plan anyway).

Fun toy that I hope will become a useful tool.

 

[joshofbass]

Is there a wiki or faq for this pedal? I feel like my questions have probably been asked a million times before.

Today's question:
Retriggering. I'm looking to have a sound play as 8th notes on one pitch, like a chug or simple roots only bass line. I can get the patch I want and it sounds perfect if I play one note once. But when I start playing one and two and three... Etc I run into problems. It will miss some note attacks causing me to not get the same sound on every note. Even when it does give me an attack on every note it seems like it's only putting it on some of the voices and there is an underlying note being held there, which isn't the effect I want.

I tried using the sequencer with no pitch shifting but it does really get me there.
How do just get the pedal to start over every time I hit a new note just as if I was changing pitch?

 

[odarellmc]

Is there a wiki or faq for this pedal? I feel like my questions have probably been asked a million times before.

Today's question:
Retriggering. I'm looking to have a sound play as 8th notes on one pitch, like a chug or simple roots only bass line. I can get the patch I want and it sounds perfect if I play one note once. But when I start playing one and two and three... Etc I run into problems. It will miss some note attacks causing me to not get the same sound on every note. Even when it does give me an attack on every note it seems like it's only putting it on some of the voices and there is an underlying note being held there, which isn't the effect I want.

I tried using the sequencer with no pitch shifting but it does really get me there.
How do just get the pedal to start over every time I hit a new note just as if I was changing pitch?

maybe assign a dial to release time if possible? or maybe work on tightening your technique?

 

[Quatschmacher]

Is there a wiki or faq for this pedal? I feel like my questions have probably been asked a million times before.

Today's question:
Retriggering. I'm looking to have a sound play as 8th notes on one pitch, like a chug or simple roots only bass line. I can get the patch I want and it sounds perfect if I play one note once. But when I start playing one and two and three... Etc I run into problems. It will miss some note attacks causing me to not get the same sound on every note. Even when it does give me an attack on every note it seems like it's only putting it on some of the voices and there is an underlying note being held there, which isn't the effect I want.

I tried using the sequencer with no pitch shifting but it does really get me there.
How do just get the pedal to start over every time I hit a new note just as if I was changing pitch?

Your question isn’t clear to me.

Are you intending to play the 8th notes with your fingers or are you expecting the pedal to play them for you?

If the former, then string muting between notes is key so that the detection circuit has a clear note start to work with.

If the latter, the sequencer cannot do this per se as the envelopes only get triggered by each new note plucked on your input instrument. You can fudge it by using the “pluck” LFO shape set to the speed you want. If you clock sync it to 8th notes and set sequencer steps to 8th notes then it’ll get much of the effect you seem to be after. (Remember to set the mod source knob towards “LFO”.)

 

[joshofbass]

Either would be fine.

I'm happy to play the notes but getting it to redetect on the same note seems really hard to do without either slightly bending the note or playing very staccato.

I was thinking about this today and I think the answer might lie in making sure the envelope for all voices in my patch closes at 95% of an eighth note and then using the pluck option with the sequencer. I'm new to this so I'm not exactly sure how to express my ideas in exact synth terminology yet.

Basically I want the effect of something a little like the 24k patch playing repeating eighth notes with no sustained voices in between. Just as I'd get if I was hammering away on a keyboard.

Your question isn’t clear to me.

Are you intending to play the 8th notes with your fingers or are you expecting the pedal to play them for you?

If the former, then string muting between notes is key so that the detection circuit has a clear note start to work with.

If the latter, the sequencer cannot do this per se as the envelopes only get triggered by each new note plucked on your input instrument. You can fudge it by using the “pluck” LFO shape set to the speed you want. If you clock sync it to 8th notes and set sequencer steps to 8th notes then it’ll get much of the effect you seem to be after. (Remember to set the mod source knob towards “LFO”.)

 

[Billyears IV]

Either would be fine.

I'm happy to play the notes but getting it to redetect on the same note seems really hard to do without either slightly bending the note or playing very staccato.

I was thinking about this today and I think the answer might lie in making sure the envelope for all voices in my patch closes at 95% of an eighth note and then using the pluck option with the sequencer. I'm new to this so I'm not exactly sure how to express my ideas in exact synth terminology yet.

Basically I want the effect of something a little like the 24k patch playing repeating eighth notes with no sustained voices in between. Just as I'd get if I was hammering away on a keyboard.

I'm lurking watching this. I've found similar issues trying to play regular 'pumping' 1/8th notes on certain presets.

Not near my C4 and bass atm, but from memory, one example is the excellent sounding preset for Blue Monday, by New Order.... just doesn't retrigger in time to play the bassline.

I sweated with technique, envelopes, extra comp /boost, etc with no success. Shame as the preset sounds so good.

 

[teopatl]

Could we use a delay with one repeat, the way Ian Allison describes in the SBL video below?

 

[joshofbass]

Could we use a delay with one repeat, the way Ian Allison describes in the SBL video below?

I believe that might work. I'm gonna try it out tonight and see what happens. The band I need it for plays to a click so setting the delay like that shouldn't be an issue

 

[joshofbass]

The delay method works perfectly. Gives the synth time to 'reset' in time for next time I play the note. I will need to get a delay that can be timed with bpm or milliseconds to make sure it sits right with the click I guess but that's a bonus. A work related reason for another pedal? Yes!

Could we use a delay with one repeat, the way Ian Allison describes in the SBL video below?

I'm lurking watching this. I've found similar issues trying to play regular 'pumping' 1/8th notes on certain presets.

Not near my C4 and bass atm, but from memory, one example is the excellent sounding preset for Blue Monday, by New Order.... just doesn't retrigger in time to play the bassline.

I sweated with technique, envelopes, extra comp /boost, etc with no success. Shame as the preset sounds so good.

Your question isn’t clear to me.

Are you intending to play the 8th notes with your fingers or are you expecting the pedal to play them for you?

If the former, then string muting between notes is key so that the detection circuit has a clear note start to work with.

If the latter, the sequencer cannot do this per se as the envelopes only get triggered by each new note plucked on your input instrument. You can fudge it by using the “pluck” LFO shape set to the speed you want. If you clock sync it to 8th notes and set sequencer steps to 8th notes then it’ll get much of the effect you seem to be after. (Remember to set the mod source knob towards “LFO”.)

 

[sunbeast]

I'm lurking watching this. I've found similar issues trying to play regular 'pumping' 1/8th notes on certain presets.

Not near my C4 and bass atm, but from memory, one example is the excellent sounding preset for Blue Monday, by New Order.... just doesn't retrigger in time to play the bassline.

I sweated with technique, envelopes, extra comp /boost, etc with no success. Shame as the preset sounds so good.

Is the Blue Monday line you’re playing the octave-jumping bass line? I haven’t found any monophonic digital pitch-tracking pedal that can track fast octave jumps well- they all seem to glitch out in my experience

 

[Billyears IV]

Is the Blue Monday line you’re playing the octave-jumping bass line? I haven’t found any monophonic digital pitch-tracking pedal that can track fast octave jumps well- they all seem to glitch out in my experience

Yes, it has the octave bit, then the 'groove' rhythm part.
I was just so pleased to have found the preset synth sound.... Really effective.
Interesting that you find others cant manage the octave jumps.
There's also the tempo of the notes.... The preset doesn't seem to handle repeated 1/8ths, whilst maintaining hold of string against fret? If you release and repress onto fret each pluck, you get the punch but not with 'normal' technique.

Its not a deal breaker as that band split.

 

[sunbeast]

Yes, it has the octave bit, then the 'groove' rhythm part.
I was just so pleased to have found the preset synth sound.... Really effective.
Interesting that you find others cant manage the octave jumps.
There's also the tempo of the notes.... The preset doesn't seem to handle repeated 1/8ths, whilst maintaining hold of string against fret? If you release and repress onto fret each pluck, you get the punch but not with 'normal' technique.

Its not a deal breaker as that band split.

Best tracking for me by far with a monophonic digital synth pedal (both C4 and Future Impact these days) is to play with a pick (or thumb-style) while palm-muting. I'll have to try the specific preset you mention, but I find both pedals can track pretty decently with faster lines when I play palm-muted notes cleanly. This accentuates the attack of new notes and speeds up the decay, both of which help the pedal differentiate new notes. It also mutes any extraneous "noise" from the other strings that can muddle the tracking. I can get similar tracking using a sponge mute while playing fingerstyle, but I prefer being able to adjust the attack and decay of my notes as I play so pickstyle and palm-muting is more effective for me even as I prefer playing fingerstyle in general.

 

[skycruiser]

I'm thinking of picking up one of these to try to copy tones of 80's songs with synth bass. A good example is Bruce Hornsby's "The Way It Is".

Will it be straightforward to find settings to emulate specific songs like this? Or will it take a lot of experimentation to get there? I will really be starting at zero when it comes to modular synth.

Some of the 70's songs we're playing have fairly light envelope filter type sound. I'm hoping I can find a few presets to have ready access to that type of sound as well. It sounds like the Spectrum is geared more toward this but I don't want to have to get 2 pedals. Looks like the C4 can do it all.

It sounds like we're limited to 6 at a time, so that could end up being a problem if I need to a dozen songs to emulate.

 

[foldyman]

I'm thinking of picking up one of these to try to copy tones of 80's songs with synth bass. A good example is Bruce Hornsby's "The Way It Is".

Will it be straightforward to find settings to emulate specific songs like this? Or will it take a lot of experimentation to get there? I will really be starting at zero when it comes to modular synth.

Some of the 70's songs we're playing have fairly light envelope filter type sound. I'm hoping I can find a few presets to have ready access to that type of sound as well. It sounds like the Spectrum is geared more toward this but I don't want to have to get 2 pedals. Looks like the C4 can do it all.

It sounds like we're limited to 6 at a time, so that could end up being a problem if I need to a dozen songs to emulate.

Yes, the C4 can do everything the spectrum does. You can run Spectrum patches directly on the C4, so great for envelope based stuff.

In terms of finding sounds, try searching the user community presets. Certainly for more iconic songs, you'll typically find a few patches to choose from as a starting point. You normally have to fiddle about with it a bit to get it to work well with you're own setup.

You're only limited to 6 presets if you're not using anything else to control the C4. If you introduce MIDI control (either via a USB host, an SA MIDI adapter or an SA Neuro Hub), then you have access to 128 presets.

 

[rsmith601]

I'm thinking of picking up one of these to try to copy tones of 80's songs with synth bass. A good example is Bruce Hornsby's "The Way It Is".

Will it be straightforward to find settings to emulate specific songs like this? Or will it take a lot of experimentation to get there? I will really be starting at zero when it comes to modular synth.

Some of the 70's songs we're playing have fairly light envelope filter type sound. I'm hoping I can find a few presets to have ready access to that type of sound as well. It sounds like the Spectrum is geared more toward this but I don't want to have to get 2 pedals. Looks like the C4 can do it all.

It sounds like we're limited to 6 at a time, so that could end up being a problem if I need to a dozen songs to emulate.

This is the Neuro Database. Its easy to search it. Did not find Hornsby...
Neuro Community by Source Audio

 

[skycruiser]

This is the Neuro Database. Its easy to search it. Did not find Hornsby...
Neuro Community by Source Audio

Cool, thanks! I'll check this out.

 

[joshofbass]

I lived in china for a couple of years and laughed out loud at this!

Well.... Turned out to not be a joke. I gotta use a VPN on both my phone and PC to access the Neuro community patches so far.

China internet censorship varies a lot depending on isp but it might be worth source audio checking it out some time. People are definitely using the pedals here so it would be good to make sure they are getting the full potential




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This is the Neuro Database. Its easy to search it. Did not find Hornsby...
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