source audio c4

[ToS]

Seems like most are using the hub, which defeats the purpose of my android-preset-switcher.

 

[joshofbass]

Seems like most are using the hub, which defeats the purpose of my android-preset-switcher.

Not necessarily,

We all want pedals, a way to store presets, a way to control them, and a way to know what settings they are on.

I see a lot of new midi switching pedals that have touch screens. A lot of manual set up required though I guess. If someone were to expand the little round screen idea to a phone app that can connect via USB to read data from the pedals then I would love to use it. . Not perfect for every setup but it would be pretty cool for mine

 

[lidl e]

I was thinking about getting DMC micro pro with it. I know this is a really old post, but I thought you don't need the ghost hub if are just going to be scrolling through presets?

No, you just need the host adapter that disaster area sells, or you could use the multi jack to the control input on the one series as of more recently. This is the better option in my opinion.

FYI, i bought a male mini USB-B to male mini USB-B on amazon for only a few quid and it works great.

You dont need their gHost adapter to connect a dmc micro to the C4, but you obviously need some kind of cable

 

[Gibs210]

FYI, i bought a male mini USB-B to male mini USB-B on amazon for only a few quid and it works great.

You dont need their gHost adapter to connect a dmc micro to the C4, but you obviously need some kind of cable

This isn’t always the case, some cables can’t do this, and some host adapters don’t work either. It’s a bit of a crapshoot as to whether or not you find the one that does.

 

[sunbeast]

FYI, i bought a male mini USB-B to male mini USB-B on amazon for only a few quid and it works great.

You dont need their gHost adapter to connect a dmc micro to the C4, but you obviously need some kind of cable

This isn’t always the case, some cables can’t do this, and some host adapters don’t work either. It’s a bit of a crapshoot as to whether or not you find the one that does.

I can attest to not all of them working. I bought a number of different orientations (right/left angle, up/down angle, etc) of these cables when I first bought my C4 and was controlling it with a DMC trying to get the right fit on my pedalboard. As I recall there were at least two of the cables that didn’t work for this application for me.

 

[lidl e]

This isn’t always the case, some cables can’t do this, and some host adapters don’t work either. It’s a bit of a crapshoot as to whether or not you find the one that does.

I can attest to not all of them working. I bought a number of different orientations (right/left angle, up/down angle, etc) of these cables when I first bought my C4 and was controlling it with a DMC trying to get the right fit on my pedalboard. As I recall there were at least two of the cables that didn’t work for this application for me.

I wonder what distinguishes a cable that will work vs a cable that won't

For reference i can confirm this brand works for me in both the 0.2m and the 1m version.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B08QNCW2TX?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

 

[marc40a]

Some USB cables pass data and power, some just power. I think you’re all set if there’s ‘data’ in the description.

 

[sunbeast]

I wonder what distinguishes a cable that will work vs a cable that won't

For reference i can confirm this brand works for me in both the 0.2m and the 1m version.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B08QNCW2TX?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

This one does specify "OTG", which is a form of Host/peripheral connection. I believe on a Host cable the two ends have different pin connections from each-other, and there is an additional ground on one side that floats on the other end (the reason most specific "Host" cables have a USB A female lead on one side is that side is designed to go to a computer/Host while the mini/micro end goes to the peripheral device- having a Host cable with two mini-USB ends is a pretty new thing it seems). I'm honestly not sure though, this stuff is not my forte. Most of the cables I was looking at a few years back for this purpose lacked any details about their functions or internal wiring, so it was indeed a crapshoot. Fortunately it wasn't an expensive experiment! I was specifically looking for space-saving upward/downward angled ends to save space on my pedalboard and decrease cable strain (I actually broke the Mini end off a DMC Host cable due to strain on my pedalboard) which made the pool of options much smaller

 

[TOOL460002]

I only had a C4 for a month or two and used the mobile editor and plugged my phone in. That was super slick. Big fan. However, while I respect commercial entities for creating their own own standards, I cannot help but think MIDI is still the way to got and whatever a neuro hub is trying to be is straight up unnecessary in a more perfect world. You bang for buck with the C4, but I cannot imagine what would possess someone to go all Neuro MIDI hubs and not just the tried and true MIDI. I've been wrong before though.

 

[Gibs210]

I only had a C4 for a month or two and used the mobile editor and plugged my phone in. That was super slick. Big fan. However, while I respect commercial entities for creating their own own standards, I cannot help but think MIDI is still the way to got and whatever a neuro hub is trying to be is straight up unnecessary in a more perfect world. You bang for buck with the C4, but I cannot imagine what would possess someone to go all Neuro MIDI hubs and not just the tried and true MIDI. I've been wrong before though.

I run two hubs worth of stuff on my personal board. It’s much faster to program two hubs which are on the same midi channel to recall the settings on all those pedals, plus the bypass state of all those pedals, plus using 1/8 phone connectors instead of 5 pin din or even 1/4” trs connectors. Than it is to program 10 individual devices, plus additional midi messages to possibly set there bypass state. Just to load the starting point of a preset for a song, and then have to program my midi controller for additional controls that are needed throughout the song. That takes a lot off of my work load every time I’m programming a setlist for a given event. I will always be an advocate for the hub, just wish there was a more universal way to do what the hub does so that programming out a dozen midi channels and there PC and CC messages for other brands of pedals was possible.

 

[Mohawk]

I run two hubs worth of stuff on my personal board. It’s much faster to program two hubs which are on the same midi channel to recall the settings on all those pedals, plus the bypass state of all those pedals, plus using 1/8 phone connectors instead of 5 pin din or even 1/4” trs connectors. Than it is to program 10 individual devices, plus additional midi messages to possibly set there bypass state. Just to load the starting point of a preset for a song, and then have to program my midi controller for additional controls that are needed throughout the song. That takes a lot off of my work load every time I’m programming a setlist for a given event. I will always be an advocate for the hub, just wish there was a more universal way to do what the hub does so that programming out a dozen midi channels and there PC and CC messages for other brands of pedals was possible.

I second that e(hub) motion!

 

[fourstringdrums]

I use these cables with the DMC Micro & C4

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07F69BBV5?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

 

[phangtonpower]

Finally got this pedal and loving it. Definitely can replace my 3 leaf wonderlove and octave, but may put it in the effects loop of the wondelove when I use it on my big board.

Only complaint so far is organizing and testing out presets on neuro. I'm still waiting on my DMC micro. I can easily fill up all 128 presets, but I don't think I'll ever keep more than 20. I'm not in a band right now, but go to weekly jam sessions and I don't want to be scrolling through my whole library to find a sound I like. then trying to organize just those 20 is not fun. If I set a certain order and want to add something between 2 slots, I'd have to reorganize everything one by one.

I know source audio is working on it, but I really hope they at least add drag and drop for organizing things.

This would also help in auditioning presets. I would be able to group similar presets together and erase the ones that I wont use. I did this with oc-2 presets, but now have gaps between from the ones that I erased.

Edit: That being said what would be your top 20 type of presets?
So far I have OC-2 and 808 type sounds, but kind of gave up for now because of organizing.

 

[Luke the Fluke]

Seems like most are using the hub, which defeats the purpose of my android-preset-switcher.

I’ve built a Adafruit trinket m0 based usb host preset switcher. There’s been at least two people who have made pi Pico or teensy 4.1 based projects that can read preset names and then switch presets. I want to build something- ideally a 1590a with a screen, one encoder to change program and the other as master output volume… ive a learning curve!

 

[Billyears IV]

Finally got this pedal and loving it. Definitely can replace my 3 leaf wonderlove and octave, but may put it in the effects loop of the wondelove when I use it on my big board.

Only complaint so far is organizing and testing out presets on neuro. I'm still waiting on my DMC micro. I can easily fill up all 128 presets, but I don't think I'll ever keep more than 20. I'm not in a band right now, but go to weekly jam sessions and I don't want to be scrolling through my whole library to find a sound I like. then trying to organize just those 20 is not fun. If I set a certain order and want to add something between 2 slots, I'd have to reorganize everything one by one.

I know source audio is working on it, but I really hope they at least add drag and drop for organizing things.

This would also help in auditioning presets. I would be able to group similar presets together and erase the ones that I wont use. I did this with oc-2 presets, but now have gaps between from the ones that I erased.

Edit: That being said what would be your top 20 type of presets?
So far I have OC-2 and 808 type sounds, but kind of gave up for now because of organizing.

I know what you mean with sorting presets on Neuro desktop. Hopefully when the update finally arrives, there will be slicker editing options.

Game changer was buying a morningstar mc6 pro. Quick scrolling and easy to explore combinations with my Ultrawave. Midi control needed a sharp learning curve for me, but well worth it.

I categorise my presets into subs, envelopes, 'dance', synthy, sequence, misc.
Store some off the pedal in pc folders.

Don't forget the C4 can access and edit the Spectrum filter/envelope presets. So that's another world to explore.

 

[rsmith601]

Finally got this pedal and loving it. Definitely can replace my 3 leaf wonderlove and octave, but may put it in the effects loop of the wondelove when I use it on my big board.

Only complaint so far is organizing and testing out presets on neuro. I'm still waiting on my DMC micro. I can easily fill up all 128 presets, but I don't think I'll ever keep more than 20. I'm not in a band right now, but go to weekly jam sessions and I don't want to be scrolling through my whole library to find a sound I like. then trying to organize just those 20 is not fun. If I set a certain order and want to add something between 2 slots, I'd have to reorganize everything one by one.

I know source audio is working on it, but I really hope they at least add drag and drop for organizing things.

This would also help in auditioning presets. I would be able to group similar presets together and erase the ones that I wont use. I did this with oc-2 presets, but now have gaps between from the ones that I erased.

Edit: That being said what would be your top 20 type of presets?
So far I have OC-2 and 808 type sounds, but kind of gave up for now because of organizing.

Drag and drop coming soon!

 

[phangtonpower]

Drag and drop coming soon!

Have a quick question about expression pedals. I like to make make my own cables and was going to roll a couple o\so the tip and ring are reversed. I'm using a dunlop dvp4. There is a switch to reverse tip and ring. So far it works ok. I tried both positions and they both sounded fine. Does it really matter that they are reversed? are there any negatives if using a standard TRS if it seems to be working fine?

 

[rsmith601]

Have a quick question about expression pedals. I like to make make my own cables and was going to roll a couple o\so the tip and ring are reversed. I'm using a dunlop dvp4. There is a switch to reverse tip and ring. So far it works ok. I tried both positions and they both sounded fine. Does it really matter that they are reversed? are there any negatives if using a standard TRS if it seems to be working fine?

The jack on the pedal is TRRS. In the early days this was:
Ground
+5V
Hot Hand X axis expression signal
Hot hand Y axis expression signal

With Hot Hand 3 we added a digital communication option. This is used with the Neuro Hub as well as our MIDI adapter.

We added the ability to connect to an external tap switch (Source Audio's). The schematic is included in the manual for this.

We also added expression control via our Dual Expression pedal (TRRS).

We added 3rd party expression support that you have been reading about. 3rd party expression pedals can be all over the place, so I don't love this option.

So, this little jack does a CRAZY amount of stuff. I cant help you with the Dunlop pedal, but be aware that there is 5V on one of the rings. Hope this helps.

@Gibs210 might have more to add.

 

[ShoesMagoo]

I know source audio is working on it, but I really hope they at least add drag and drop for organizing things.
This would also help in auditioning presets. I would be able to group similar presets together and erase the ones that I wont use. I did this with oc-2 presets, but now have gaps between from the ones that I erased.
Edit: That being said what would be your top 20 type of presets?
So far I have OC-2 and 808 type sounds, but kind of gave up for now because of organizing.

Popped back into the thread to search for something and scrolled through the last page to see this. I know that drag+drop is already very soon forthcoming in 3.0, but fwiw I wanted to chime in to corroborate. Not having it is a real impediment to timely organization. Between that and knowing that 3.0 was in the works/on its way when I first started digging into the C4 a while back, the prospect of creating patches seemed like too much to want to deal with for software that would soon be overhauled. I decided to shelve the whole thing until the updated interface was released, just been using a variety of incredible community-made presets in the meantime. Looking forward to 3.0 and some serious knob-fiddling.

 

[GlassToMouth]

I know what you mean with sorting presets on Neuro desktop. Hopefully when the update finally arrives, there will be slicker editing options.

Game changer was buying a morningstar mc6 pro. Quick scrolling and easy to explore combinations with my Ultrawave. Midi control needed a sharp learning curve for me, but well worth it.

I categorise my presets into subs, envelopes, 'dance', synthy, sequence, misc.
Store some off the pedal in pc folders.

Don't forget the C4 can access and edit the Spectrum filter/envelope presets. So that's another world to explore.

Like yourself, I use about 20 patches on my C4 with a DMC Micro Pro. In order to accommodate various set lists and songs, I have some effects on duplicate patches depending on what song and set. Sometimes the same patch toggled to off or on so one click swaps between two active patches if one song needs two effects. Whatever I can do to make a song only one or two presses of a foot switch instead of a dozen.