Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[bassbrad]

I did and it’s a cool patch, burned onto my pedal. So thanks!
Blind Salamamder is not really in the Herbie clean ARP ADSR wheelhouse though. To me, that is the seminal bass synth sound. Agreed in advance that there are others in the running. Some of the MOOG guys got great bass patches too. Chameleon did it for me though.

Glad you liked it & understood. I am not into emulating tones anymore I did all that many years ago when I first set up my miniMoog and ARP Odyssey to learn the machines. These days I am all into creating and composing for pleasure and occasionally $$.

 

[4Mal]

BassBrad... sensei... I’m way new to the world of block synthesis. Looking forward to learning more ... and getting the best ARP ADSR possible...

 

[sifrancis]

I did and it’s a cool patch, burned onto my pedal. So thanks!
Blind Salamamder is not really in the Herbie clean ARP ADSR wheelhouse though. To me, that is the seminal bass synth sound. Agreed in advance that there are others in the running. Some of the MOOG guys got great bass patches too. Chameleon did it for me though.

Just had a spare 5 minutes with my C4 and threw a Chameleon type sound together - it's close enough I think. Sounds closest with some overdrive after it. I've not a chance to record a sound clip right now, but perhaps later this week.

 

[Cunkybunkfarts]

I won't be able to pick up this beast of a pedal for a few months, but what I'm really looking forward to is dialing a bass synth sound that emulates what's going on in Maybe Your Baby by Stevie Wonder. Just obscene funky synth bass.

 

[Robertron]

The best part about the C4 is that all this old funk is back in my regular Spotify rotation.

 

[benevan]

C4 presets are HUGE and cannot be supported as part of Scenes by the Hub at the moment. The Hub needs a complex firmware update to support this.

While you mention that the HUB needs an update to support scenes that can include the C4, can you confirm that this HUB firmware update will happen? If so, is it part of the current product road map or something that will be added after additional new products are released? Will new products like the Spectrum, 1series Multiwave, etc., have similar limitations or will they be fully supported by the HUB like the other 1series pedals?

 

[Basehead]

I don't fully understand the editor yet since synthesis has never been my thing (and I currently don't have Hub capability yet) but the sound quality of the internal engines (filters, distortions, envelopes, etc) and the AMAZING library of sounds that have been created (and continue to be created) have impressed me greatly. Wow.....just opens one up to the potential of this pedal to create sounds. The filter sounds are especially nasty.

I've connected via my Android, an iPad, and via my Mac on Desktop....super cool. I spent any free moment this past weekend going through sounds, saving the ones I like, and making some minor level tweaks. This week I'll start going into digging into some sounds but I'm having so much fun just enjoying the library.

Well done Source Audio, and well done to all that contributed sounds!

 

[rsmith601]

While you mention that the HUB needs an update to support scenes that can include the C4, can you confirm that this HUB firmware update will happen? If so, is it part of the current product road map or something that will be added after additional new products are released? Will new products like the Spectrum, 1series Multiwave, etc., have similar limitations or will they be fully supported by the HUB like the other 1series pedals?

The big problem is saving a C4 preset as part of a Hub Scene. There are way too many parameters. All other Hub related things should work with the C4 (I am going to create a document to cover this). Updating the Hub firmware to support C4 in scenes is a big project and there are still 2 things in front of it. Yes, this will likely impact Spectrum.

 

[Melvin7822]

Has anyone here had any luck getting the C4 to listen to any other MIDI channel other than 1? No matter where I set it, it continues to listen on channel 1.

 

[Hugsonic]

@rsmith601 would you be willing to share the development road map. Totally understand if not but it would be of real interest to the SA fanboys (such as myself).

 

[Robertron]

@rsmith601 would you be willing to share the development road map. Totally understand if not but it would be of real interest to the SA fanboys (such as myself).

Same. Is this why the C4 can hold 128 presets in itself while something like the Aftershock just holds 6?

 

[Chace90]

Same. Is this why the C4 can hold 128 presets in itself while something like the Aftershock just holds 6?

I had been under the impression that the Aftershock (and other One Series pedals) can hold 128 presets as well. But same rule applies; you need a hub or other compatible MIDI controller to have quick access to anything beyond the first 6 presets.

 

[Adamixoye]

Aftershock (and I'm pretty sure all 1 series pedals) can hold 128 presets as well. But same rule applies; you need a hub or other MIDI controller to have quick access to anything beyond the first 6 presets.

This is incorrect, based on my understanding of what Roger has said here and on TGP.

The Aftershock and other One Series pedals don't "hold" 128 presets, they only hold six. The Hub stores the preset information contained in scenes, then sends it out when scenes are recalled. The 128 scenes are actually separate from the six stored-in-the-pedal presets.

The C4 is different in that it actually has the memory for 128 presets of its own, stored in the pedal; the hardware allowing for this memory is different in the C4 than in the other One Series pedals. These can be accessed via MIDI either through the Hub or over USB.

The C4 won't work in Hub scenes (for now) because of the additional parameters in a C4 preset, the Hub's code currently is not written to support the extra parameters in scanning / saving from this particular pedal. But it can still interface with the C4 in other ways.

 

[benevan]

The big problem is saving a C4 preset as part of a Hub Scene. There are way too many parameters. All other Hub related things should work with the C4 (I am going to create a document to cover this). Updating the Hub firmware to support C4 in scenes is a big project and there are still 2 things in front of it. Yes, this will likely impact Spectrum.

For me personally I will wait to buy a C4 when the Multiwave is released (hopefully the HUB is updated by that time) but a C4 guide to HUB users would be very helpful, especially if you can include specific instructions.

I am a little surprised about your response for Spectrum HUB support. I had assumed that since the Spectrum is a “simpler” implementation of the C4, the lower complexity would eliminate the C4 HUB scene issue?

 

[Chace90]

This is incorrect, based on my understanding of what Roger has said here and on TGP.

The Aftershock and other One Series pedals don't "hold" 128 presets, they only hold six. The Hub stores the preset information contained in scenes, then sends it out when scenes are recalled. The 128 scenes are actually separate from the six stored-in-the-pedal presets.

The C4 is different in that it actually has the memory for 128 presets of its own, stored in the pedal; the hardware allowing for this memory is different in the C4 than in the other One Series pedals. These can be accessed via MIDI either through the Hub or over USB.

The C4 won't work in Hub scenes (for now) because of the additional parameters in a C4 preset, the Hub's code currently is not written to support the extra parameters in scanning / saving from this particular pedal. But it can still interface with the C4 in other ways.

Hmmm. I'll have to investigate. I have an Aftershock and Hub at home.

This tidbit from the Aftershock manual certainly supports what you say: "When used together with the Neuro Hub, the Aftershock is fully MIDI-controllable and 128 multi-pedal presets, or “scenes,” can be saved for instant recall on the stage or in the studio."

 

[Adamixoye]

Hmmm. I'll have to investigate. I have an Aftershock and Hub at home.

This tidbit from the Aftershock manual certainly supports what you say: "When used together with the Neuro Hub, the Aftershock is fully MIDI-controllable and 128 multi-pedal presets, or “scenes,” can be saved for instant recall on the stage or in the studio."

Yep. The Hub holds the extra presets, not the pedal---for One Series pedals up to this point. The C4 is different.

 

[Chace90]

This is incorrect, based on my understanding of what Roger has said here and on TGP.

The Aftershock and other One Series pedals don't "hold" 128 presets, they only hold six. The Hub stores the preset information contained in scenes, then sends it out when scenes are recalled. The 128 scenes are actually separate from the six stored-in-the-pedal presets.

The C4 is different in that it actually has the memory for 128 presets of its own, stored in the pedal; the hardware allowing for this memory is different in the C4 than in the other One Series pedals. These can be accessed via MIDI either through the Hub or over USB.

The C4 won't work in Hub scenes (for now) because of the additional parameters in a C4 preset, the Hub's code currently is not written to support the extra parameters in scanning / saving from this particular pedal. But it can still interface with the C4 in other ways.

Thinking about this further, it's almost like saying the same thing. Even though the Aftershock apparently can't hold more than 6 presets, what difference does it make? Without the Hub or Neuro editors, you can't use them anyway.

The only functional difference between the C4 and the Aftershock (and other One Series pedals) is that the C4 can store additional presets and those are accessible via compatible third party (Disaster Area?) MIDI controllers and/or the Hub. Either way you still need extra hardware to do so.

 

[Adamixoye]

Thinking about this further, it's almost like saying the same thing. Even though the Aftershock apparently can't hold more than 6 presets, what difference does it make? Without the Hub or Neuro editors, you can't use them anyway.

The only functional difference between the C4 and the Aftershock (and other One Series pedals) is that the C4 can store additional presets and those are accessible via compatible third party (Disaster Area?) MIDI controllers and/or the Hub. Either way you still need extra hardware to do so.

You're not wrong that you still need extra hardware either way. But the difference does matter in a few subtle ways. Aftershock presets (aside from the six on-pedal ones) are technically part of scenes, whereas C4 presets could be made separate from scenes. As you note, you can only get the extra presets/scenes with the Hub for the Aftershock, while you have other hardware options for the C4. Lastly, if you sell/replace some gear, it matters that the C4 presets are stored on the pedal while the Aftershock presets are stored on the Hub.

 

[Chace90]

You're not wrong that you still need extra hardware either way. But the difference does matter in a few subtle ways. Aftershock presets (aside from the six on-pedal ones) are technically part of scenes, whereas C4 presets could be made separate from scenes. As you note, you can only get the extra presets/scenes with the Hub for the Aftershock, while you have other hardware options for the C4. Lastly, if you sell/replace some gear, it matters that the C4 presets are stored on the pedal while the Aftershock presets are stored on the Hub.

Right, you can only have 128 scenes on the Hub. So hypothetically if you use 3 One Series pedals with the Hub but use a single scene for only 1 pedal when it could store all 3's settings, then you eat up more scenes, right? The same will eventually be true for the C4 when the Hub firmware gets updated, if you intend to use the Hub to save C4 settings.

I suppose it's feasible that you could store 128 scenes for the 3 other pedals on the Hub, and 128 C4 presets on the pedal. That's a lot of possibilities! But then I think you're looking at using a controller that can send 2 simultaneous PC messages (1 for hub, 1 for the C4) on two different MIDI channels. Granted most MIDI controllers can do that, but it's one more step for full programming.

I've barely used the Hub, so I hope I'm not over simplifying it's capabilities...

One Series and C4 presets can also be stored on the Neuro apps, can't they? I'm not saying that's the most accessible way to use them, but you technically get an infinite amount that way.

 

[Robertron]

Another note.
With the Aftershock I can only access a list of 6 presets on my desktop editor. To load more presets into my Aftershock I have to either Import them from a folder on my computer or from the Neuro Library.
With the C4 all 128 presets are available on one list, already the pedal.

Practically, managing 6 Onboard presets and a folder/library full of extra presets is not the same as clicking up and down a list of 128 presets.