Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[Adamixoye]

Ill just leave this here:



I think this pedal speaks for itself. Source Audio nailed it with this. The filters can get so wet and thick. No more Moog for me, and that was my bucket list filter.

Dat first sound

 

[Johno Dunn]

Dat first sound

Yep, thats the one! SCHWING!

 

[Johno Dunn]

Ill just leave this here:



I think this pedal speaks for itself. Source Audio nailed it with this. The filters can get so wet and thick. No more Moog for me, and that was my bucket list filter.

What Preset is that first one?

 

[rsmith601]

I've gotta admit, I'm a bit underwhelmed by the filter sounds in the video. I have the C4 and it seems even more to be the better buy. I'm not loving the filters on the c4 yet, I know they're same, but at least it has all the other sound possibilities.

The C4 filters are the most flexible set of filters in a pedal ever. It is not even close. It may well be that you are looking for a sound which is less mainstream. Between all the filter types and combinations of 2 of them plus the envelope shapes and controls, it is very likely that what you seek is in there. That was the point of the architecture.

 

[BurningSkies]

Next up, who's going to put together the comprehensive manual/guide/wiki for either Filter design and implementation or C4 synthesis.

Headed home from work shortly and I promise I'll take the C4 out of it's box tonight. I have a bunch of ground work for this weekend's shows but I'll see if I can fit in an hour of play time.

 

[rsmith601]

Next up, who's going to put together the comprehensive manual/guide/wiki for either Filter design and implementation or C4 synthesis.

Headed home from work shortly and I promise I'll take the C4 out of it's box tonight. I have a bunch of ground work for this weekend's shows but I'll see if I can fit in an hour of play time.

Well, it can be done with what is there. Nathan did the Meatball and Jesse did the Mutron. Jesse also did the more resonant styled one that is ALT Tron. There were done with the same editor that you all have. Note that in the old SA days they would need to be new "engines". Not anymore!!!

 

[BurningSkies]

Well, it can be done with what is there. Nathan did the Meatball and Jesse did the Mutron. Jesse also did the more resonant styled one that is ALT Tron. There were done with the same editor that you all have. Note that in the old SA days they would need to be new "engines". Not anymore!!!

The real leap is 'it's there' and 'the end user will understand'. I haven't dug into it yet...but there's a whole industry built around books that teach people how to do stupid crap like use their phone or something like photoshop or garageband or whatever. Not saying it's as hard to master as Photoshop, but it's more than figuring out how to use your cell phone.

 

[rsmith601]

The real leap is 'it's there' and 'the end user will understand'. I haven't dug into it yet...but there's a whole industry built around books that teach people how to do stupid crap like use their phone or something like photoshop or garageband or whatever. Not saying it's as hard to master as Photoshop, but it's more than figuring out how to use your cell phone.

Our view is that the C4 and Spectrum meet you the user where you are comfortable. Ready to make your own filters? Jump in! Want to browse the work of others and just click on sounds? Do it! Want to perhaps dip your toe into making sounds by taking someone's work and looking at it voice by voice and use the C4 as a synth learning tool? Why not! Cant do that with many other pedals.

 

[adamaarts]

Our view is that the C4 and Spectrum meet you the user where you are comfortable. Ready to make your own filters? Jump in! Want to browse the work of others and just click on sounds? Do it! Want to perhaps dip your toe into making sounds by taking someone's work and looking at it voice by voice and use the C4 as a synth learning tool? Why not! Cant do that with many other pedals.

I think this approach is apparent, to me at least.

Th Spectrum does a lot of cool things all by itself, and I don’t think I’ll do much diving in the app. I’m fine with that, and the pedal is worth it still.

The C4 I want to do some digging. The app is very powerful ‘looking’ but I haven’t had much time to sit and try it out for myself. Without having a proper knowledge of synths I’d say it’s gonna be a lot harder to someone to understand what they’re doing. I think that’s where the main issue lies, because it’s technically not up to you to explain how something works when the person using it is assumed to know what it is. But that’s where the on board controls by itself need to be simple and easy to use. That way even if you don’t know what you’re doing, you can still turn some knobs and get some good sounds.

That’s like saying a guitar should come with a tutorial on how to play it.

 

[fivestringgecko]

The C4 I want to do some digging. The app is very powerful ‘looking’ but I haven’t had much time to sit and try it out for myself. Without having a proper knowledge of synths I’d say it’s gonna be a lot harder to someone to understand what they’re doing.

I'm looking forward to really digging into the C4 Neuro editor as well. Sadly, I haven't even had time to open my C4's shipping box yet. I probably won't get any time with it until after the holiday weekend.

Up until the Future Impact, I had never been into synth, and was pretty intimidated by the editor (and synth in general). Youtube has some good resources that mostly pertain to keyboard synths, but a good share of the info can carry over. (It did on the Impact anyway. I've only had a quick glance at the Neuro Desktop, but some of the controls look similar). I'm still far from being an expert, but now I have a much better understanding for creating synth patches.

For anyone looking for info, here are a few terms that should get you started down the rabbit hole:
- how to create synth sounds
- synthesizer tutorial
- synth lfo
- synth vco
- synth adsr

5sg.

 

[NicJimBass]

I've spent the past couple days trying, and in most cases, succeeding, at matching tones I had from other pedals. That being said, there is a big learning curve with this pedal. I've only scratched the surface, but I'm getting a better feel as to what control does what. There are a lot of 'meh' tones at first, but, with some twiddling and switching and playing, some good stuff comes out.

I tend to like to find a patch that is close to what I hear in my head, and then tweak from there, rather than start from scratch. I'm constantly tweaking things, in order to get as close as possible to the original recorded tone as I possibly can. With the C4, I have the 'actual effects' on my board down to it, a Future Impact and an HX Effects.

 

[Robertron]

The C4 is actually as powerful as the editor makes it look. You make a change you really feel the difference in the final sound.

Route Sine 1 into Sine 2, new effect.

Change the filter response knob From ENV - LFO, new effect.

Etc.

It's overwhelming at first but after you've learned what each block does for the sound it's more exciting than intimidating.

 

[intrglctcrevfnk]

Do you have pics of what angle you're getting now? Are the cables not stressed?

Here’s a decent pic, shows the little white plastic backs once all the rubber is removed:

Highlighted in red boxes. From the Soleman to the Reflex, then another from the Reflex to the Neuro hub. Then to the M9 bit it’s hidden by my ghetto fresnel magnifying glass. The last stop might actually be the M9 from the reflex and the one control hammer is going from Soleman to hub, then over to the whammy. I’ve redone my board since but this pic was the clearest!

 

[bassbrad]

Our view is that the C4 and Spectrum meet you the user where you are comfortable. Ready to make your own filters? Jump in! Want to browse the work of others and just click on sounds? Do it! Want to perhaps dip your toe into making sounds by taking someone's work and looking at it voice by voice and use the C4 as a synth learning tool? Why not! Cant do that with many other pedals.

Plus Source Audio provided a free social platform where users can share sounds instantly, plus there are sources where we can interface with other users with questions. What other manufacturer is directly engaged with the customer daily for support and discussion? Three cheers for @rsmith601 ,

Source Audio has given a magical box equivalent to the MiniMoog. Every player found the own sound of sounds on that keyboard Chick, Zawinul, Herbie, Stevie, Bernie, Zavod, Emerson, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk and the list goes on forever. We have that 4 x 128 with the C4.

 

[BurningSkies]

Spent about two hours with the C4 connected to Neuro desktop tonight. Updated firmware, then started playing around with community patches. I made it 8 pages of user C4 presets before calling it a night. Found one envelope that might be a go, a couple other close ones. I ended up saving about 25 things to my pedal and a bunch to my library to play around with later.

As with the TB FI compendium, a few useable, a bunch interesting. Another handful of weird/novelties then a pile of non starters. Many will need to be heard through my stage rig to know what they really do vs. a 112 and a lil 500w practice amp.

Next up will be to re-read the manual and make sure I have the pedal controls and the basics of the editor down. I did suss the basics of the signal flow layout.

...I did have to do one quick reboot of pedal and editor when it stopped letting me add stuff to the pedal.

 

[rsmith601]

The C4 is actually as powerful as the editor makes it look. You make a change you really feel the difference in the final sound.

Route Sine 1 into Sine 2, new effect.

Change the filter response knob From ENV - LFO, new effect.

Etc.

It's overwhelming at first but after you've learned what each block does for the sound it's more exciting than intimidating.

Jeff (aka Lucky Jackson) had absolutely no prior synth experience before we did the C4. He is not quite up to Nathan's level, but he is now making sounds and having fun. Very quick learning curve.

 

[GMC]

Those are the flat ones right? The Invalid Link Removed version are reversible, similar to the OneControl cables.

Ah...no those look like a newer design, same brand though. At the moment, I'm good for Midi cables....but if I need some some...I may well give these new ones a spin.

 

[GMC]

A question to Source Audio / rsmith601....now that the dust is settling on the C4 and Intelligent Filter...have you thought about your next project? How about unifying all of your Modulation One Series units into a single Super One Series unit?

 

[Robertron]

I'd love to know too. If the next One Series box is anything like the C4 I might as well make space for it on my board now.

 

[rsmith601]

A question to Source Audio / rsmith601....now that the dust is settling on the C4 and Intelligent Filter...have you thought about your next project? How about unifying all of your Modulation One Series units into a single Super One Series unit?

We have 2 major products in the pipeline. If all goes well, October 8 is the next release date. Some hints will be forthcoming. We also need to finish the C4 and Hub integration.