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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

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Geddy Claypool said:
Can any of you Spectrum vets comment on its ability to replace an octave pedal? Until now, I had been considering separate octave and filter pedals, but had planned to use them a lot together to get fat synthy funk sounds. Do you find that the Source Audio stuff is versatile enough to completely replace an octave pedal? Can you isolate the octave completely so that there is no filtering on it?

Also, can you comment on the tracking and response time of the pedal? I really like playing snappy percussive bits with an octave and usually lean towards analog octaves for their snappiness. But if the Spectrum is in the same ballpark, then I might be able to just have 1 pedal to do both jobs.

Thanks!
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You can use the octave, distortion, and filter separately or mix as desired and add the envelope or not. I find they all track as fast as I've needed, to be very punchy and dynamic down to lo D (I have not tested lower). You can download the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] and "View" the parameters offline to get a better understanding of all that is possible.
 
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bassbrad said:
You can use the octave, distortion, and filter separately or mix as desired and add the envelope or not. I find they all track as fast as I've needed, to be very punchy and dynamic down to lo D (I have not tested lower). You can download the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] and "View" the parameters offline to get a better understanding of all that is possible.
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That's great to hear. When I think of digital octaves, I think of the much "colder" sounds of the Micro POG. But in demos the octave here sounds very thick, punchy, and almost analog. That's actually a great tip to download the app- I didn't know you could see the parameters without owning a pedal, but it gives a great overview of everything you can do, which is really helpful. Really looking forward to getting the Spectrum in my hands and starting to play with it.
 
#8,964
Geddy Claypool said:
That's great to hear. When I think of digital octaves, I think of the much "colder" sounds of the Micro POG. But in demos the octave here sounds very thick, punchy, and almost analog. That's actually a great tip to download the app- I didn't know you could see the parameters without owning a pedal, but it gives a great overview of everything you can do, which is really helpful. Really looking forward to getting the Spectrum in my hands and starting to play with it.
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Our octave circuit in the C4 is trying to do what they OC-2 does. Basically, the OC-2 uses a flip flop, which is actually a digital circuit building block but they use it in a kind of analog way. In the C4 octave we really tried to follow that approach so that we could get that kind of sound. That is exactly what we were after.
 
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rsmith601 said:
Our octave circuit I the C4 is trying to do what they OC-2 does. Basically, the OC-2 uses a flip flop, which is actually a digital circuit building block but they use it in a kind of analog way. In the C4 octave we really tried to follow that approach so that we could get that kind of sound. That is exactly what we were after.
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Well, it sounds like you guys hit the mark really well. From the demos I've heard, it doesn't sound cold or brittle at all, and has all of that fat, warm OC-2 tone :)
 
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Geddy Claypool said:
That's great to hear. When I think of digital octaves, I think of the much "colder" sounds of the Micro POG. But in demos the octave here sounds very thick, punchy, and almost analog. That's actually a great tip to download the app- I didn't know you could see the parameters without owning a pedal, but it gives a great overview of everything you can do, which is really helpful. Really looking forward to getting the Spectrum in my hands and starting to play with it.
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Coming from an alalog octave pedal I found the Spectrum to be a bit sterile. So it was a very short lived expiriment. Love my C4 though.
 
#8,967
long shot of a question for Roger

when using the trs cable from headphone jack of phone to the input 2 of a neuro compatible sa pedal, is the information being sent on the ring only or the tip AND ring?

I'd like to have a non sa pedal in the loop of an aftershock, can I make a custom cable that sends the input 2 ring to the phone but input 2 tip to the non sa pedal residing in the loop of the aftershock?
 
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bassleigh said:
long shot of a question for Roger

when using the trs cable from headphone jack of phone to the input 2 of a neuro compatible sa pedal, is the information being sent on the ring only or the tip AND ring?

I'd like to have a non sa pedal in the loop of an aftershock, can I make a custom cable that sends the input 2 ring to the phone but input 2 tip to the non sa pedal residing in the loop of the aftershock?
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It's on the ring. You can use a splitter to route the Neuro signal around the other pedal and then put it back in. No problem.
 
#8,969
bassleigh said:
long shot of a question for Roger

when using the trs cable from headphone jack of phone to the input 2 of a neuro compatible sa pedal, is the information being sent on the ring only or the tip AND ring?

I'd like to have a non sa pedal in the loop of an aftershock, can I make a custom cable that sends the input 2 ring to the phone but input 2 tip to the non sa pedal residing in the loop of the aftershock?
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Yep- page 5 of the aftershock user manual:
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rsmith601 said:
Strange. The are almost the same in many ways. Octave stuff is identical.
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Funny enough, I actually can't get enough of the mono octave on the C4. I've never found another OC-2 sounding pedal that tracks so well (I'm talking all the way to low B) and doesn't glitch out. C4 has replaced my 3leaf and I consider it a huge upgrade. Still have a separate digital octaver though (taurus Dexter) that will be sticking around on the board until I can afford a pitchfactor, or someone releases another advanced midi pitch shifter ***hint hint***
 
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Bassheart365 said:
Coming from an alalog octave pedal I found the Spectrum to be a bit sterile. So it was a very short lived expiriment. Love my C4 though.
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Assuming you found the same sounds on the Spectrum and the C4?
Most analogue octavers have a low pass filter (treble cut) in the circuit flow. Curiously...the same is true with Analogue delays and Analogue dirt. A lot of effort goes into modelling the effect but for bass...often it's as simple as putting a nice sounding low pass filter between each effect to cut the treble end down and boom! It starts to sound a lot more familiar. I've wondered if the next big thing with digital effects will be low pass filters knobs on the out put of each effect.
 
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Yeah, IMO, the OC-2 patches I use, that someone in the community created, are every bit the equal of my OC-2, but with much better tracking and less glitching. I don't have a golden ear by any means, but, to me, they sound as close to each other as is possible.
 
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rsmith601 said:
It's on the ring. You can use a splitter to route the Neuro signal around the other pedal and then put it back in. No problem.
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Any idea of if I need to build a splitter to do this or if there's one that's on the market already?

I've recently become interested in maybe putting my fuzz into a loop in the C4 then setting up a patch to use it by itself or to feed the C4 in front of some of my envelope options, but I've sort of held off on fleshing out the idea since Neuro use is on that same input.

...not that your distortions aren't fine. I'm just used to my specific voltage starved fuzz tone.
 
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BurningSkies said:
Any idea of if I need to build a splitter to do this or if there's one that's on the market already?

I've recently become interested in maybe putting my fuzz into a loop in the C4 then setting up a patch to use it by itself or to feed the C4 in front of some of my envelope options, but I've sort of held off on fleshing out the idea since Neuro use is on that same input.

...not that your distortions aren't fine. I'm just used to my specific voltage starved fuzz tone.
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I would actually like a splitter too.

As someone who uses both inputs to feed the C4 a frequency split signal I lose the ability to comfortably use my phone for neuro without unplugging Input 2 and losing the lower 200hz of my signal.

I feel like someone like Saturnworks could build something small and cheap for this purpose.
 

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