Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[Derek Williams]

So basically I have to go through everyone of my MS-3 presets (like 30ish) and add the AS to each one in bypass mode? Effectively telling my Neuro hub to turn the AS off in every patch? Even patches that don't use the hub or any of the SA stuff on my board?

Something has to tell it to turn off. I only enable/disable my Aftershock through Neuro Hub presets. If you aren’t using the Neuro Hub to control it all the time, than you need to add the bypass command to whatever controller has the preset you are using. So yes, if you aren’t using a Neuro Hub preset in each of your MS-3 presets, than you need to have the MS-3 turn off your Aftershock everytime you want it off.

 

[Turtle71]

Something has to tell it to turn it off. I only enable/disable my Aftershock through Neuro Hub presets. If you aren’t using the Neuro Hub to control it all the time, than you need to add the bypass command to whatever controller has preset you are using.

Yeah, I only have like 6 presets for drive at the moment (eventually I'll have more), so between it and the Spectrum I'm only currently using 11 of the 128 available patches on the hub.

So basically create a "scene" where the AS is in bypass mode, save it to maybe scene 128 on the Hub...and then on whenever patch I don't want drive, program my MS-3 to send the midi command for "scene 128" effectively turning off the AS?

 

[Derek Williams]

Yeah, I only have like 6 presets for drive at the moment (eventually I'll have more), so between it and the Spectrum I'm only currently using 11 of the 128 available patches on the hub.

So basically create a "scene" where the AS is in bypass mode, save it to maybe scene 128...and then whenever I don't want drive, program my MS-3 to send the midi command for "scene 128" effectively turning off the AS?

That will work. You can add the Spectrum to that scene to keep it bypassed as well. Then if either of the them are actually used for that MS-3 preset, create a new scene with the proper setup.

 

[Turtle71]

That will work. You can add the Spectrum to that scene to keep it bypassed as well. Then if either of the them are actually used for that MS-3 preset, create a new scene with the proper setup.

I've actually got the Spectrum in one of my MS-3 loops, so I "kill it" by simply turning off the loop in that particular MS-3 patch (simple process), the AS use to be in a loop, but since I've had to add an octave pedal back onto the board, it kicked the AS directly into the signal chain, hence my problem.

Thanks for the help!!

Any idea why my Spectrum is flashing the green light?

 

[sunbeast]

OK, two quick questions for one (or all?) of the sorcerers in here?

I just redid my board...again...actually it's still kinda in pieces pending the answers to these questions.

I had to move my Aftershock out of one of my MS-3 loops, and into the signal chain (post octaves & modulation)...I've got the AS setup to power up in "bypass" mode...and then when I tap the patch for drive, the pedal powers up perfect and boom we have drive, however when I switch back to a clean patch, the pedal doesn't disengage.

1. What setting am I missing on the AS (or maybe the hub)? I'm sure there is somewhere that I can automatically command the pedal back into bypass mode once I change out of that patch? I currently have 6 different drives programmed (controlled by midi), and it's going to be a real bummer if I have to manually turn the pedal off each time I switch back out of a drive patch...

2. (Probably a REALLY stupid question) My Spectrum pedal is flashing the green light (main light, not the midi light)...Is that the tempo? or am I missing something entirely? If there is a spot in the manual that covers this, I obviously missed it...

Thanks in advance!

1. Derek nailed it with this one- MIDI here is a 1-way communication between controller and hub, so you must always be sending a message when you want an action (and bypass is an action once the pedal is on). Your controller has no way of knowing what bypass state your pedals are in, it can only send messages to turn them on or off (and if they are already on or off when the message is received then that message will just be ignored).

2. Check the description of the input calibration process under the description of the Input/Sens knob in the manual (also linked to under the description of the Bypass LED). It is essentially acting like the “Gain” light on an amplifier and when set optimally the light should flash red occasionally when playing as hard as you will.

 

[GMC]

Yeah, I only have like 6 presets for drive at the moment (eventually I'll have more), so between it and the Spectrum I'm only currently using 11 of the 128 available patches on the hub.

So basically create a "scene" where the AS is in bypass mode, save it to maybe scene 128 on the Hub...and then on whenever patch I don't want drive, program my MS-3 to send the midi command for "scene 128" effectively turning off the AS?

Another way is to set up a CC number to the “bypass/engage” midi map of your Aftershock. Then set up a patch based assign that sends that midi CC when you hit the ES-3’s patch number. Assuming your ES-3 is similar to my MS-5...you can send a PC and CC when you hit a patch number. But yeah….disabling via your neuro hub patches is a better way.
I use an MS-5, but half my board is in loops the other half is post ES-5. Sending loop on/offs are a lot easier to manage than midi pc and cc’s.

 

[Turtle71]

Alright, thanks for the help peeps!

I just went and made a scene (#128) of just the Aftershock in bypass mode, then assigned that to the corresponding patches in the MS-3...Worked perfect!!

At first I was really confused by this, but now that I've actually gone and done it, it makes way more sense to me now.

 

[GMC]

Alright, thanks for the help peeps!

I just went and made a scene (#128) of just the Aftershock in bypass mode, then assigned that to the corresponding patches in the MS-3...Worked perfect!!

At first I was really confused by this, but now that I've actually gone and done it, it makes way more sense to me now.

I used to think that I had an efficiency with the various patch layers (MS-5 > Neuro Hub > One Series patches) on my board. I wanted everything controlled by my MS-5 as a series of patches. Now, not only do I embrace the different patch layers..I love them. They give me options with in my MS-5 patches, sort of like patches within patches. These days I rarely get out of the first bank of 5 patches on my ES-5.

 

[Turtle71]

I used to think that I had an efficiency with the various patch layers (MS-5 > Neuro Hub > One Series patches) on my board. I wanted everything controlled by my MS-5 as a series of patches. Now, not only do I embrace the different patch layers..I love them. They give me options with in my MS-5 patches, sort of like patches within patches. These days I rarely get out of the first bank of 5 patches on my ES-5.

Yeah, I was approaching all of this with the "patch mentality" at first...But now with the addition of Midi functionality, it opens so many more doors, plus now I'm digging into the Boss "CURNUM" functions of the MS-3, and the various assigns I can do within CURNUM...And then add the fact that I can control my amps channel switching from with the MS-3 too? So sweet.

Once the ol' credit card heals a bit, I'll definitely be adding an Ultrawave and maybe a EQ2 (and a larger board at that point)...This Midi stuff is just too fun to not go all in.

 

[Rick Penrose]

Yeah, I was approaching all of this with the "patch mentality" at first...But now with the addition of Midi functionality, it opens so many more doors, plus now I'm digging into the Boss "CURNUM" functions of the MS-3, and the various assigns I can do within CURNUM...And then add the fact that I can control my amps channel switching from with the MS-3 too? So sweet.

Once the ol' credit card heals a bit, I'll definitely be adding an Ultrawave and maybe a EQ2 (and a larger board at that point)...This Midi stuff is just too fun to not go all in.

I am still new to this midi thing. I have a spectrum, disaster area micro pro (I opted for this over the soleman because of $$$), just acquired a neurohub and utrawave. Do I have everything I need to control these two pedals? Am I limited by this particular configuration (ex. saving themes across pedals for example). Like I said I am really on the ground floor in understanding all of this...... thanks everyone!

 

[Turtle71]

I am still new to this midi thing. I have a spectrum, disaster area micro pro (I opted for this over the soleman because of $$$), just acquired a neurohub and utrawave. Do I have everything I need to control these two pedals? Am I limited by this particular configuration (ex. saving themes across pedals for example). Like I said I am really on the ground floor in understanding all of this...... thanks everyone!

Well, I'm brand new to Midi myself, but yeah it looks like you've got what you need there...assuming you have all the corresponding cables etc...

I'd also suggest grabbing some appropriate USB cables (if you don't already have them), having the Hub & Spectrum connected to your PC (and using the Neuro app), makes creating patches (scenes) so easy IMHO.

There are FAR more qualified people in this thread that I'm sure will chime in and give more/better info than I can.

 

[Rick Penrose]

Well, I'm brand new to Midi myself, but yeah it looks like you've got what you need there...assuming you have all the corresponding cables etc...

I'd also suggest grabbing some appropriate USB cables (if you don't already have them), having the Hub & Spectrum connected to your PC (and using the Neuro app), makes creating patches (scenes) so easy IMHO.

There are FAR more qualified people in this thread that I'm sure will chime in and give more/better info than I can.

thanks Turtle!

 

[Gibs210]

I am still new to this midi thing. I have a spectrum, disaster area micro pro (I opted for this over the soleman because of $$$), just acquired a neurohub and utrawave. Do I have everything I need to control these two pedals? Am I limited by this particular configuration (ex. saving themes across pedals for example). Like I said I am really on the ground floor in understanding all of this...... thanks everyone!

follow this video, should get you a pretty good setup for getting the most out of everything. I’d use the neuro hub for P mode only, and just use the “d.c.” option for spectrum and ultrawave when building your presets. But then you’d have scroll banks for the ultrawave and spectrum separate from hub scenes. This could potentially make it easier to make hub scenes too if your not wanting to use the editor.

 

[Johno Dunn]

follow this video, should get you a pretty good setup for getting the most out of everything. I’d use the neuro hub for P mode only, and just use the “d.c.” option for spectrum and ultrawave when building your presets. But then you’d have scroll banks for the ultrawave and spectrum separate from hub scenes. This could potentially make it easier to make hub scenes too if your not wanting to use the editor.

OMG!
Well now that changes things!

 

[Johno Dunn]

follow this video, should get you a pretty good setup for getting the most out of everything. I’d use the neuro hub for P mode only, and just use the “d.c.” option for spectrum and ultrawave when building your presets. But then you’d have scroll banks for the ultrawave and spectrum separate from hub scenes. This could potentially make it easier to make hub scenes too if your not wanting to use the editor.

How come nobody told me about this before? My life has been changed!

 

[Rick Penrose]

follow this video, should get you a pretty good setup for getting the most out of everything. I’d use the neuro hub for P mode only, and just use the “d.c.” option for spectrum and ultrawave when building your presets. But then you’d have scroll banks for the ultrawave and spectrum separate from hub scenes. This could potentially make it easier to make hub scenes too if your not wanting to use the editor.

Thanks Gibs... will give it a shot!

 

[Johno Dunn]

Thanks Gibs... will give it a shot!

It works like a charm!

 

[KPJ]

follow this video, should get you a pretty good setup for getting the most out of everything. I’d use the neuro hub for P mode only, and just use the “d.c.” option for spectrum and ultrawave when building your presets. But then you’d have scroll banks for the ultrawave and spectrum separate from hub scenes. This could potentially make it easier to make hub scenes too if your not wanting to use the editor.

So, if I have a Disaster Area Micro, a Hub, C4 and UltraWave, I would have a pretty flexible setup, if I'm understanding correctly.

 

[Johno Dunn]

So, if I have a Disaster Area Micro, a Hub, C4 and UltraWave, I would have a pretty flexible setup, if I'm understanding correctly.

I have a Spectrum, an EQ2, an UltraWave, a Hub, and a Micro Pro, and I can’t see needing anything else.

 

[IronSpatula]

So, if I have a Disaster Area Micro, a Hub, C4 and UltraWave, I would have a pretty flexible setup, if I'm understanding correctly.

Big time. Throw in an EQ2 and a MIDI-capable IR loader just for kicks.

If I wasn't obsessed with the idea of messing with analog dirt and crossovers that's probably the board I'd build. I might just discover it's worth the tradeoff to get something smaller...

Come to think of it, does anyone know if the Ultrawave has a clean blend with a lowpass on it like the Aftershock?