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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

#13,723
Discount Bassy said:
Here it is. There are a few things disconnected at this point. I had a few Voodoo Labs splitters that were defective, hence the danglies underneath in the middle of the harness mayhem. My brother is bringing by a couple of fitted side caps that will have the instrument inputs and outputs, a volume pedal loop, expression pedal inputs for the SA stuff (one for each hub), and also the XLR input for my condenser mic that I use on the baritone sax. I fabbed up the power and instrument cables. Everything is attached with enough dual-lock to hold solidly without making a prybar necessary to remove components. The three switchers in the middle bottom are external switches for the BB, Soleman and Infinity to access more options. This is an experimental platform. The Aftershock will likely be swapped out for some other SA pedal when something new and wonderful hits the market. I opted for twin MXR compressors in series, using one for general playing and one to switch to for higher compression slap work. I'll tidy up the dangly business when the last of the components arrive, hopefully in the next week or so. Of note, the underside of the top shelf is a similar situation of cables to the exposed middle shelf. SA TRRS cables are of one length, long enough (thankfully) to reach everything, but long enough to make a bit of a bird's nest even with routing brackets and zip ties. One day, if feeling a bit froggy, I might give a go to making some custom TRRS cables, but at this point, I want to get to the playing part.

This project began a couple of years ago with the acquisition of some pieces to replace an 11 pedal MXR board that was smoked by a power surge when I lived a bit south of Death Valley. The two MXR compressors are the same from that dead board, but with factory PCB replacements. MXR was pretty good about making a repair option available outside of the warranty period. I sold the rest of the pedals and power supply for parts/projects to tinkers. This board is plugged into a power conditioner/surge suppressor rack unit that powers my amp...not the wall of a sub-standard dwelling's, sub-standard electrical system on a sub-standard electric grid...also on the east coast.

This board was designed to support 2 electric stringed instruments and one mic'ed input. I play both fretted and fretless 5 and six string bass (respectively), also baritone guitar, flute and baritone sax (I have recently picked up a metal bodied clarinet, but wouldn't say that I can play it effectively yet). I wanted something I could use for all or any of the options in a one man or duo situation. I still enjoy gigging with bands, but want the freedom to do so without the hassle of the logistics wrangling cats all of the time. This setup is mainly for the home studio, but I'm not against building it a road case and going out when I have it all figured out.

I am not a photographer by trade or even a marginally effective hobbyist. I have included perfunctory feets in one shot to keep with TB tradition. No banana for scale.View attachment 4855773 View attachment 4855774 View attachment 4855775
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Wowsers!

Theres probably more tech there than the Apollo 11
 
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Funny story.. Ive had the Collider now for a little bit but for some reason never dug into the Neuro app and tried other presets. I plug in tonight, look at the right side of the screen and see all the empty slots.. had a real solid " what the ____?" :eyebrow: moment. Completely forgot there was more than 4 preset slots. :facepalm: :laugh:

Reading the manual is one thing, comprehending it is another animal apparently.. :roflmao: :roflmao:

That said, there are some awesome Collider presets available! Killed about two hours making sounds before I even knew it. This pedal needs a warning label...
 
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#13,727
Can anybody here help me build a specific C4 preset? I’ve been trying myself and looking around for anybody else’s interpretation but can’t seem to get any good results. I’m looking for something like Nick Reinhart’s “Boss SYB-3” sound here at 25:19
And around 10:30


i know he’s using an Enzo for this but I have a good feeling that the C4 can achieve this sound too.

Also: there was talk around the release of the C4 that we’d have presets built by Nick and Juan but it never ended up happening, it was a bit of a letdown because they’re both heavy hitters in the synth guitar/bass world. I know Juan isn’t at a point in recovery to heavily focus on music yet, but it was teased and then seemed to have been forgotten about
 
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#13,732
Are we still thinking the MIDI host box thingy is coming out in a couple of weeks?

Am I right that it'll have 1/4" female TRS jacks for the MIDI Out and Thru, and the piece to connect it to the control input is either attached or a separate adapter that will come with the unit?

Do we have a name for it yet?
 
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DennyOnBass said:
Are we still thinking the MIDI host box thingy is coming out in a couple of weeks?

Am I right that it'll have 1/4" female TRS jacks for the MIDI Out and Thru, and the piece to connect it to the control input is either attached or a separate adapter that will come with the unit?

Do we have a name for it yet?
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ONE Series MIDI Adapter

There are 3 ports on the box:
1) MIDI IN: TRS mini jack that is TYPE A (the only TRS type approved by MIDI)
2) MIDI THROUGH: same as above
3) TRRS to the Source Audio pedal

The opto isolation is in the box. We are 100% MIDI compliant.

Still 4 weeks out is my guess. We are close.
 
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Question regarding the Collider and MIDI - hopefully someone has a solution to this..

I use the DMC Micro, right now it's controlling the C4, UW and the Collider through the Hub. Everything regarding switching presets, editing, all seems to be good except for some reason only one side of the Collider shuts off when i change presets. Right now the Reverb side shuts off and the Delay is always on when i swap presets. I've tried saving presets with both sides disengaged, nothing is working. Is there any way around this? I'm trying to incoporate it into my live set and hitting a real snag... :help: :)

Edit: spent some time with the manual and I think I followed the right steps. Unless I'm reading incorrectly, both sides should be able to be disengaged while swapping presets. Not sure what to try next.. :eyebrow:
 
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gustobassman said:
Question regarding the Collider and MIDI - hopefully someone has a solution to this..

I use the DMC Micro, right now it's controlling the C4, UW and the Collider through the Hub. Everything regarding switching presets, editing, all seems to be good except for some reason only one side of the Collider shuts off when i change presets. Right now the Reverb side shuts off and the Delay is always on when i swap presets. I've tried saving presets with both sides disengaged, nothing is working. Is there any way around this? I'm trying to incoporate it into my live set and hitting a real snag... :help: :)

Edit: spent some time with the manual and I think I followed the right steps. Unless I'm reading incorrectly, both sides should be able to be disengaged while swapping presets. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. :eyebrow:
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Depends on how you are changing presets on the Collider/Hub.

If you are recalling the Collider’s own internal presets (by sending CC’s) then there are separate CCs for recalling presets in the engaged or in the bypass state. My guess is you’re sending the engaged one.

If you are trying to recall a Hub scene (by sending a PC) and the Collider is part of that scene then you need to resave the scene on the Hub with both Collider engines bypassed.

If those things don’t work, it’s maybe also worth checking whether you’re inadvertently sending out the CC which switches on one side of the Collider.
 
#13,736
Quatschmacher said:
Depends on how you are changing presets on the Collider/Hub.

If you are recalling the Collider’s own internal presets (by sending CC’s) then there are separate CCs for recalling presets in the engaged or in the bypass state. My guess is you’re sending the engaged one.

If you are trying to recall a Hub scene (by sending a PC) and the Collider is part of that scene then you need to resave the scene on the Hub with both Collider engines bypassed.

If those things don’t work, it’s maybe also worth checking whether you’re inadvertently sending out the CC which switches on one side of the Collider.
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Ok.. this kinda makes sense, lol. Still learning all the midi terminology. I am recalling the Collider's internal presets by using the P mode on the DMC for my "scenes", not saving to the actual hub. I have it set on the D bank in the Micro.

I am not sure about the CC messages you are referring to. I just followed what I thought was suggested in the manual as far as checking boxes and saving with the preset disengaged. I'm obviously missing something, lol..
 
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gustobassman said:
Ok.. this kinda makes sense, lol. Still learning all the midi terminology. I am recalling the Collider's internal presets by using the P mode on the DMC for my "scenes", not saving to the actual hub. I have it set on the D bank in the Micro.


I am not sure about the CC messages you are referring to. I just followed what I thought was suggested in the manual as far as checking boxes and saving with the preset disengaged. I'm obviously missing something, lol..
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So is the DMC connected directly to the Collider? Or is the Hub connected to the Collider?

I am not familiar with the DMC so you’d need to ask someone who knows what it’s sending (PC or CC) to the Collider.
 
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gustobassman said:
Ok.. this kinda makes sense, lol. Still learning all the midi terminology. I am recalling the Collider's internal presets by using the P mode on the DMC for my "scenes", not saving to the actual hub. I have it set on the D bank in the Micro.

I am not sure about the CC messages you are referring to. I just followed what I thought was suggested in the manual as far as checking boxes and saving with the preset disengaged. I'm obviously missing something, lol..
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If your using the nemesis driver on the dmc that’s probably the issue, that was designed for the nemesis and not collider, so there’s a compromise with the bypass engage with the collider having 2 bypassable dsps. Better off using the hub to handle this than P mode. Or getting into the cc mode of the dmc and programming custom controls just for collider.
 
#13,740
Luke the Fluke said:
Anyone ever managed to make their own program switcher for a C4 with a ardunio or adafruit or equivalent (that can work as a usb midi host) ?
I think I’ve found a project…
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Sort of...:D

I built a Klein Bottle last year, and decided it needed midi-abilty, so I built a small board with an opto, an inverter/buffer, a few opto relays, and a QT PY RP2040, to control it all. The inverter is there for midi thru, so I have a pair of extra outs.
Wrote the code in CircuitPython, really easy, and pretty straight forward.
The tricky bit was getting the QT to recognize whether a loop was in the on or off state, so if my intent was to turn a loop on, that was already on, it wouldn't turn off. Tapped into the led circuit to three inputs of the QT, so it would always know what state it was in.
Bonus was getting the on board led to light up to indicate which loop or loops were on. Loop 1 is red, 2 is green, 3 is blue. When 1&2 are on I get yellow, 1&3, purple, etc.

At the time I didn't need the usb host, but it seemed like usb midi is well supported in circuitpython.

I'm interested in your project; I've been thinking about building a three-loop flip-flop style switcher, with midi. Currently using a dpc5 for that, contolled by an MC6, but it's a but overkill.
 
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