Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[HP Hovercraft]

I'm sure this has been covered (it's a looooong thread), but I can't get the input calibration to work on my new C4. No flashing red. My basses are passive FWIW.

 

[benevan]

My real question is for anyone that uses the soleman 1. How many devices can you control with the soleman and 2. Can you access individual pedals and scroll through presets or banks of presets per pedal if so how. I can find no one source of info on how to do this any where. I know this is not possible with my lunar and aftershock, but I have a c4, ultrawave, spectrum and an atlas. If not can any suggest a controller that can.

While older and not as full featured as the Morningstar products the Soleman can probably accommodate what you need.
1) It can send on 16 midi channels so is not limited like the DMC controllers are.
2) You can set up panel mode to control individual pedals on a per panel basis.
@Gibs210 may be able to offer some advice regarding the Soleman panel mode as he gave me the idea regarding panel mode to act like device mode on the DMCs.

If you are connecting the expression pedal directly to the Soleman and each device is on a separate channel, I think there is a limitation as it can only send expression out on one channel.

If considering Morningstar controllers, would be worth checking out Pirate midi Bridge4 and Bridge6 devices as well. Similar form factor and features, sitting somewhere been the Morningstar standard and pro lines.

 

[foldyman]

I'm sure this has been covered (it's a looooong thread), but I can't get the input calibration to work on my new C4. No flashing red. My basses are passive FWIW.

And you're playing just after you've adjusted the knob? It only works as a calibration indicator for a finite time afterwards. Other than that, I too have to really give it some using passive basses to get it to flicker red at all. Not solely for this reason, but I've since added a clean boost at the start of my chain, to more quickly be able to compensate for different basses, so it's not an issue anymore (if it's even really an issue to begin with).

 

[foldyman]

I may have to go the morningstar route definitely a lot more user support than the soleman from what I can see.

You pretty much can do anything you can think of. It may not immediately seem like it as it's all drop-down menus in the programming interface, but if you think about it there's normally a way and the support of the forum is pretty good.

 

[HP Hovercraft]

And you're playing just after you've adjusted the knob? It only works as a calibration indicator for a finite time afterwards. Other than that, I too have to really give it some using passive basses to get it to flicker red at all. Not solely for this reason, but I've since added a clean boost at the start of my chain, to more quickly be able to compensate for different basses, so it's not an issue anymore (if it's even really an issue to begin with).

I'm continuously playing while adjusting the knob. Is that wrong?

 

[foldyman]

I'm continuously playing while adjusting the knob. Is that wrong?

No that's right, I was (perhaps badly) making the point that it just only works for a bit after you last touch the knob.

 

[fourstringdrums]

Make sure your pedal and app are both updated to the newest versions. To update the pedal to the newest version you’ll also have to have the newest Neuro desktop version downloaded (I’d grab this from the SA website).

You should be able to see the virtual knobs in the app change when moving them on the pedal if they are actually connected right.

The desktop app works fine. My issue is with the android app. Though the pedal is updated as is the app.

 

[fourstringdrums]

I'm continuously playing while adjusting the knob. Is that wrong?

Move the knob all the way CCW and start over turning the knob up as you play. For my passive basses the knob will be fully CW. But after that, it will no longer turn red. It only does it when you first have the input dialed down and then turn it up.

 

[sunbeast]

The desktop app works fine. My issue is with the android app. Though the pedal is updated as is the app.

The C4 pedal firmware updates are built-in directly to the Neuro desktop app (not downloaded automatically from the internet with every update) so if your desktop app isn't the newest version it will read your pedal as up to date even if it isn't. So I would make sure your desktop Neuro app is the newest version (0.8.60) or you may not actually have the latest C4 firmware installed.

 

[HP Hovercraft]

Move the knob all the way CCW and start over turning the knob up as you play. For my passive basses the knob will be fully CW. But after that, it will no longer turn red. It only does it when you first have the input dialed down and then turn it up.

That's what I had been doing. Finally got it to work with the Atlas on in front of it. Not sure if that's even correct, but I got the red light. It was not quite full CW.

 

[fourstringdrums]

The C4 pedal firmware updates are built-in directly to the Neuro desktop app (not downloaded automatically from the internet with every update) so if your desktop app isn't the newest version it will read your pedal as up to date even if it isn't. So I would make sure your desktop Neuro app is the newest version (0.8.60) or you may not actually have the latest C4 firmware installed.

Yes it is.

 

[Gibs210]

The Soleman is pretty old at this point, and while it seems it was pretty great when it was released (especially as a platform for controlling some of their own earlier and less sophisticated pedals) I don't think it can really compete with what some of the newer controllers are capable of using more modern processing and designed to control much more sophisticated devices. I have no doubt that if Source Audio wanted to they could also design a modernized Soleman that could bring some cool new things to the table, but it doesn't seem to be their priority at this point. Morningstar on the other hand has made their controllers the center of their business, and they are constantly being updated (and recently upgraded, via the MC6 Pro- which has added USB Host capabilities by the way for direct control of One-Series SA pedals) to handle ever more sophisticated tasks based on user feedback. I'd recommend going to check out the forum on their website where they are regularly engaged with users to solve problems and make/take suggestions!

the thing is soleman isn’t are main product, and it doesn’t sell like the collider, c4, eq2, etc. I dont even think it sells as well as some of the older pedals that haven’t been our big sellers.

id love to update the soleman, (Jesse got a long laundry list of things I suggested over the years long before being hired on), it’s still a great controller, and I still use mine (paired with an airstep to supplement midi control and allow for connection to non midi pedals). I have 9 switches at my disposal for customized control of my board, soleman acts more as the master, recalling macros sent when loading in panels to get all my settings primed for a song, then some standard controls on panel mode for swapping presets on my midi modded POG2, switching curves on my eq2 (guitarist remember, so switching between standard and lead boost curves), switching presets on my reflex (volume and wah presets typically, sometimes some more customized settings for specific songs and multi pedal controls) and finally tap tempo (like having a master LED flashing in tempo at all times just to monitor the midi clock being sent out). Soleman in turn tells the airstep what presets to load up so that I get more customized switching for the specific song (amp channel, changing between ventris/nemesis and collider presets for a song, reverb hold, etc). Soleman is still pretty capable, and I find the long narrow design along with the connections being on the side to work betting on my board and allows me to keep the pedals above tight to the soleman and and easier to reach.

 

[odarellmc]

While older and not as full featured as the Morningstar products the Soleman can probably accommodate what you need.
1) It can send on 16 midi channels so is not limited like the DMC controllers are.
2) You can set up panel mode to control individual pedals on a per panel basis.
@Gibs210 may be able to offer some advice regarding the Soleman panel mode as he gave me the idea regarding panel mode to act like device mode on the DMCs.

If you are connecting the expression pedal directly to the Soleman and each device is on a separate channel, I think there is a limitation as it can only send expression out on one channel.

If considering Morningstar controllers, would be worth checking out Pirate midi Bridge4 and Bridge6 devices as well. Similar form factor and features, sitting somewhere been the Morningstar standard and pro lines.

Again that's the problem I've heard alot of what the soleman can do, but I never seen it done not even by source audio. It seems they've either dropped the ball on showcasing all that this pedal can do or they're now working on something else. In either case if I have to search this hard to understand how to use it, I'll be better if using something with much more support and users..

 

[Gibs210]

Yes it is.

Are you using usb or trs cable? Only usb will show settings on the pedal in neuro app.

 

[Gibs210]

Again that's the problem I've heard alot of what the soleman can do, but I never seen it done not even by source audio. It seems they've either dropped the ball on showcasing all that this pedal can do or they're now working on something else. In either case if I have to search this hard to understand how to use it, I'll be better if using something with much more support and users..

Have you watched the 7 part tutorial? We give some decent descriptions on basic uses, but there’s a lot of things beyond that that it can do, the tutorials are more for giving users ideas on how to use it and springboard off from there.

 

[odarellmc]

Have you watched the 7 part tutorial? We give some decent descriptions on basic uses, but there’s a lot of things beyond that that it can do, the tutorials are more for giving users ideas on how to use it and springboard off from there.

Yeah I was looking for something more how to..but it cool. Thanks for the reply.

 

[fourstringdrums]

Are you using usb or trs cable? Only usb will show settings on the pedal in neuro app.

USB

 

[Gibs210]

USB

What type of cable? Typically you need to use a camera kit adapter(iOS) or OTG adapter(android) and then a usb A to mini B cable for it to work properly

 

[fourstringdrums]

What type of cable? Typically you need to use a camera kit adapter(iOS) or OTG adapter(android) and then a usb A to mini B cable for it to work properly

The one that came with the pedal. The app and the pedal work together, it's just that when I recall a preset from the burn/recall menu, the editor screen doesn't change from what was already on there. I can make changes on the pedal and then re-burn them to the preset, I just can't make changes in the app editor. Again this is only for my presets that I recalled from the pedal.

 

[sunbeast]

the thing is soleman isn’t are main product, and it doesn’t sell like the collider, c4, eq2, etc. I dont even think it sells as well as some of the older pedals that haven’t been our big sellers.

id love to update the soleman, (Jesse got a long laundry list of things I suggested over the years long before being hired on), it’s still a great controller, and I still use mine (paired with an airstep to supplement midi control and allow for connection to non midi pedals). I have 9 switches at my disposal for customized control of my board, soleman acts more as the master, recalling macros sent when loading in panels to get all my settings primed for a song, then some standard controls on panel mode for swapping presets on my midi modded POG2, switching curves on my eq2 (guitarist remember, so switching between standard and lead boost curves), switching presets on my reflex (volume and wah presets typically, sometimes some more customized settings for specific songs and multi pedal controls) and finally tap tempo (like having a master LED flashing in tempo at all times just to monitor the midi clock being sent out). Soleman in turn tells the airstep what presets to load up so that I get more customized switching for the specific song (amp channel, changing between ventris/nemesis and collider presets for a song, reverb hold, etc). Soleman is still pretty capable, and I find the long narrow design along with the connections being on the side to work betting on my board and allows me to keep the pedals above tight to the soleman and and easier to reach.

I’m definitely not calling the Soleman obsolete, it just lacks a lot of the features and customizable depth of some more modern controllers. Also given the lack of MIDI standards in a lot of ways (resulting in totally different MIDI implementations from lots of different pedal and software companies) and the more recent explosion in MIDI-capable pedals on the market with tons of different implementations and quirks, having regular firmware updates and active engagement and troubleshooting with users is a pretty huge selling point for a modern MIDI controller. I can imagine it would’ve a super frustrating market to get into frankly, given you basically have to learn and adapt to the quirky and different ways that a myriad of other companies have implemented their designs.