Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

[joshofbass]

So to solve the tuner issue, get a couple wireless sets, go from your bass to the tuner on the floor in front of you with one, and the tuner out to the first pedal on your big board with the other.

I don’t use wirelesses enough to know if these are low enough latency to do this these days.

Or just one pair from a splitter on your board to the tuner up front

 

[Andy V.]

Clip-on tuner maybe?

 

[LowWay]

But then you can’t kill the signal with the tuner. Although you could always use a midi controlled pedal to mute things.

 

[Andy V.]

Yeah. The midi controller would be there either way, and maybe the clip-on could get the tuning job done without all that cable mess and with less room for failure.

 

[fourstringdrums]

I just got a C4 for a second time (giving it another shot) and am messing around with dual filters. To test it out, I'm setting up both filters the same. I do have the voice panned equally between both processors. When I adjust the output balance, each side sounds different. When I pan it to the left to hear just filter 1 it sounds fat and the way I want it. But when I pan to the right, filter 2 isn't as responsive and sounds thinner.

Is that normal? Like I said both filters (and envelopes) are set exactly the same and balanced between both processors.

 

[Jigmay]

Thanks Adamoxiye, GreatLakesBass, mdalamond, marc40a, LowWay, Joshofbass, and Andt V. for sharing your insights and experiences. I'm kinda new to pedals, and definitely new to digital/midi worlds, so this is all helpful. Thanks!

[I'm drawn to the SA stuff b/c of the stereo/dual mono possibililites. I have two 'stereo' basses. I'm exploring this: bass > EQ2 > Aftershock > Atlas > Arkham Abyss > Quilter BB800. Yes, it all gets summed to mono, for now. ;-) ]

 

[stubbsonic]

I'm exploring this: bass > EQ2 > Aftershock > Atlas > Arkham Abyss > Quilter BB800. Yes, it all gets summed to mono, for now. ;-) ]

I just set up a Source audio pedal board and it starts with the same first three pedals. I have an LA Lady, but it's the same as the Aftershock. Like you, I also prefer having OD before compression because the touch response and tonal changes across the dynamics are more natural to my tastes. being able to use the EQ2 to dial in the pre-OD tone, then the EQ's inside the Aftershock/LA and the Atlas give you massive amounts of control over the tone & grit.

 

[tonym]

I just got a C4 for a second time (giving it another shot) and am messing around with dual filters. To test it out, I'm setting up both filters the same. I do have the voice panned equally between both processors. When I adjust the output balance, each side sounds different. When I pan it to the left to hear just filter 1 it sounds fat and the way I want it. But when I pan to the right, filter 2 isn't as responsive and sounds thinner.

Is that normal? Like I said both filters (and envelopes) are set exactly the same and balanced between both processors.

@fourstringdrums Can you post this as a shared preset? I'd be happy to try it out and if I'm getting the same result.

 

[Jigmay]

I just set up a Source audio pedal board and it starts with the same first three pedals. I have an LA Lady, but it's the same as the Aftershock. Like you, I also prefer having OD before compression because the touch response and tonal changes across the dynamics are more natural to my tastes. being able to use the EQ2 to dial in the pre-OD tone, then the EQ's inside the Aftershock/LA and the Atlas give you massive amounts of control over the tone & grit.

This is good to know, thanks. I haven't dipped into the Neural editor yet, and with these pedals, that should be lots 'o fun. The ZIO looks like a good addition as well. It might even be able to take the place of my large Arkham Abyss.

 

[bassbrad]

Regarding the compressor in the Ultrawave pedal, is there a way I can see the attack and release times? Or is there any reference elsewhere? I couldn't find anything in the manual. Thanks!

In Neuro you can set those parameters but it is not in ms but numerical. I like that the compressor is so versatile and works like the DAW style comps I use so often for mixing.

 

[fourstringdrums]

@fourstringdrums Can you post this as a shared preset? I'd be happy to try it out and if I'm getting the same result.

Yeah I can do that this weekend. Thanks.

 

[GMC]

Thanks Adamoxiye, GreatLakesBass, mdalamond, marc40a, LowWay, Joshofbass, and Andt V. for sharing your insights and experiences. I'm kinda new to pedals, and definitely new to digital/midi worlds, so this is all helpful. Thanks!

[I'm drawn to the SA stuff b/c of the stereo/dual mono possibililites. I have two 'stereo' basses. I'm exploring this: bass > EQ2 > Aftershock > Atlas > Arkham Abyss > Quilter BB800. Yes, it all gets summed to mono, for now. ;-) ]

I went fully stereo about 3 years back and then realised that I didn't need to go full stereo across my whole board. Basses aren't stereo, if they have 2 outputs...it's just a seperate channel for each pickup.

For me, I'm single input from my Hog 2, C4, Atlas, Ultrawave and Spectrum. Then my Lunar output is stereo into my EQ2, H90, Nemesis and finally out from my Ventris output ports. I tend to find modulation, delays and verbs really work best in stereo. Dirt, octaves, filters, synths...seem to work best for me in mono / single input.

That said, I've had a lot of fun looping out 2 back into Input 2 on my C4. It's great feeding an octaver back into a filter on the other channel and then passing them to output 1. It's amazing what this tiny pedal can do.
Quatschmacher uploaded a number of great C4 and Spectrum patches with this feature. They are very cool.

These days, I prefer a dedicated Filter pedal so I can choose specific dirt and compression from my Ultrawave and Atlas. I frees up my C4 to synths and octave patches and lets my Spectrum just deal with filters and low pass filters....which it's rather good at. Sure, I can do 95% of this with just my C4 and looping patch cable, however I need the flexibility of control during a live context. A lot of the Source Audio pedals can be very deep and cover a lot of ground. However, I have the board space and I like more control than a single pedal often provides me.

I still think in most genres, Source Audio is best of breed. Especially if you like pedals single type pedals that do that thing exceptionally well. Vertigo, Ultrawave, Lunar, Atlas, Spectrum, C4, EQ2, Nemesis, Ventris....all very much best of breed for their genre.
In a world of Multi-FX pedals, Source Audio chooses a different path. It's a bit like choosing the best hi fi components, but reaching for the top row each time....yeah...I'm a self confessed Source Audio fan boy. They started to win me over with their gear years ago with the AfterShock. Since then, they have been building and building such great and novel gear.

 

[jam.majors]

Just saw a weird Debug Alert box when I opened Neuro Desktop 0.8.71 on my Mac. Since there's no image upload option on the "contact" page for Source Audio, I'm posting here so I can send that link with the contact.

 

[fourstringdrums]

I went fully stereo about 3 years back and then realised that I didn't need to go full stereo across my whole board. Basses aren't stereo, if they have 2 outputs...it's just a seperate channel for each pickup.

For me, I'm single input from my Hog 2, C4, Atlas, Ultrawave and Spectrum. Then my Lunar output is stereo into my EQ2, H90, Nemesis and finally out from my Ventris output ports. I tend to find modulation, delays and verbs really work best in stereo. Dirt, octaves, filters, synths...seem to work best for me in mono / single input.

That said, I've had a lot of fun looping out 2 back into Input 2 on my C4. It's great feeding an octaver back into a filter on the other channel and then passing them to output 1. It's amazing what this tiny pedal can do.
Quatschmacher uploaded a number of great C4 and Spectrum patches with this feature. They are very cool.

These days, I prefer a dedicated Filter pedal so I can choose specific dirt and compression from my Ultrawave and Atlas. I frees up my C4 to synths and octave patches and lets my Spectrum just deal with filters and low pass filters....which it's rather good at. Sure, I can do 95% of this with just my C4 and looping patch cable, however I need the flexibility of control during a live context. A lot of the Source Audio pedals can be very deep and cover a lot of ground. However, I have the board space and I like more control than a single pedal often provides me.

I still think in most genres, Source Audio is best of breed. Especially if you like pedals single type pedals that do that thing exceptionally well. Vertigo, Ultrawave, Lunar, Atlas, Spectrum, C4, EQ2, Nemesis, Ventris....all very much best of breed for their genre.
In a world of Multi-FX pedals, Source Audio chooses a different path. It's a bit like choosing the best hi fi components, but reaching for the top row each time....yeah...I'm a self confessed Source Audio fan boy. They started to win me over with their gear years ago with the AfterShock. Since then, they have been building and building such great and novel gear.

That reminds me, can input & output 2 basically be an fx loop?

 

[Quatschmacher]

That reminds me, can input & output 2 basically be an fx loop?

Yes, and it can be placed before or after the pedal’s internal effects on a per-preset basis.

 

[Annette]

Just saw a weird Debug Alert box when I opened Neuro Desktop 0.8.71 on my Mac. Since there's no image upload option on the "contact" page for Source Audio, I'm posting here so I can send that link with the contact.
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I got the same thing today..

 

[fourstringdrums]

Yes, and it can be placed before or after the pedal’s internal effects on a per-preset basis.

Did you happen to see my question about the dual filters? I see you as pretty much the resident expert of digital synth pedals lol

 

[GreatLakesBrass]

Expression pedal question.

I've got a Dunlop X connected to my Spectrum. When I'm in the editor and trying to dial in some presets with the pedal, I'm noticing two things.

1) It appears heel is 100% and toe is 0% in this setup. I understand there's an internal switch in the Dunlop pedal, although I haven't opened it up. Besides making min 100 and max 0, is there a way to switch this in the global settings of the Spectrum instead?

2) It also appears to be acting more like a switch. Watching the settings in the neuro editor, I get 0 and 100 (min and max) but nothing inbetween. I'm guessing that's not normal, and it's not desired.

Any pointers appreciated, I'm hoping this pedal is compatible, but I guess the jury's out...

Thx

 

[GreatLakesBrass]

Expression pedal question.

I've got a Dunlop X connected to my Spectrum. When I'm in the editor and trying to dial in some presets with the pedal, I'm noticing two things.

1) It appears heel is 100% and toe is 0% in this setup. I understand there's an internal switch in the Dunlop pedal, although I haven't opened it up. Besides making min 100 and max 0, is there a way to switch this in the global settings of the Spectrum instead?

2) It also appears to be acting more like a switch. Watching the settings in the neuro editor, I get 0 and 100 (min and max) but nothing inbetween. I'm guessing that's not normal, and it's not desired.

Any pointers appreciated, I'm hoping this pedal is compatible, but I guess the jury's out...

Thx

Well, as for #1, I opened up not one, but two Dunlop X's (large and mini). Each has a switch to flip heel and toe, but neither made a difference. Nor did the "invert" button in the Neuro editor. Sure was hoping these pedals would work...

As far as the switch vs sweep, it feels a little extreme, but it is sweeping and not switching, I just think the incompatibility of the pedal isn't helping it show much range between like min, med, max.

If anyone has fixes before I toss these on the sell block, I'd appreciate it.

 

[GreatLakesBrass]

Ok - I suppose I'll leave these up for educational purposes, but I've made some progress.

If you switch the polarity of the pedal AND reverse your min/max, putting 100 (or desired max) in the min field and 0 (or desired min) in the min field - you're in business.

I don't love the sensitivity, but it is working as it's supposed to now, besides getting a couple of expression pedal presets going, I learned a couple of things.

It's all [Invalid or Expired Link Removed], but I was expecting it to work a little differently, and I guess comprehension isn't always my strong suit. I did not need the RCA cable trick, as the 1/8 to TRS was suitable, and the Dunlops have the ability to switch polarity.