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Source Audio Sorcerers Society (S.A.S.S) Part 3

#1,962
FretNoMore said:
Thanks! Sending PC as well as CC messages that the pedals react to work already. I would also like to not only tweak the pedal settings from the iPad but also be able to store and load scenes in the hu. That way I could edit presets from the iPad without having to reach down and push the buttons on the Hub which will be hidden under a hinged shelf on my pedalboard. I'll hope for a response from SA. (BTW: I'm using 5-pin MIDI).

This is the current state of the iPad control, it would be cool if I could also control the Hub:
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Hey @FretNoMore, remind me what app this is again? I'm using MIDI Commander on Android devices, but I also have an iPad. I think the last time you mentioned this app I searched and couldn't find it.

Nic. said:
I'd be interested to know too whether there's a MIDI command for "save scene".
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I'm very curious about this as well.
 
#1,963
@Adamixoye if I'm not wrong it's Midi Designer for iPad, I used it before. There's a few versions though, not sure which one he's using. There's the free version with ads, the free version without ads but can only put 12 buttons/switches/etc. on it, and the paid version without ads and with unlimited placement.

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Anyway, another important update! I think this wasn't made explicitly clear in the manuals and I haven't seen it turn up in the discussion so far, but you CAN set both presets using the hub manager! I guess you could say I found a loophole around it.

The reason for doing so is so that you can set two presets on your OFD or MWBD2, and then morph between them.

Okay, it's done this way: When you're in the hub manager, for the pedal you want to set two presets, include it TWICE in Scene Viewer (the bottom panel). Make sure both are set to engaged, and under additional controls, scroll down to Current Preset, and set one of them to 1 and the other to 2.

When you load the scene from your midi footswitch or whatever, it will load the engaged pedals in the Scene Viewer from left to right. So the first preset you set in the scene viewer will be loaded into either preset 1 or 2 in that pedal, and then a split second later, the second preset will be loaded into the other slot. Now that both are loaded, morphing from one to the other works with the footswitch!

Some other things I discovered while figuring this out:

1) It only works if both are set as "engaged". I think if it is set to "bypass", the hub doesn't bother to send all the other functions, it just sends a "bypass this pedal" message.

2) If you don't set two presets in your scene, instead, you just set one scene (e.g. Preset slot 1) and set it to morph, it won't morph to the preset that you saved in your pedal's slot 2 beforehand. Instead, it morphs to your last used preset in the pedal's slot 2.

For example, say you used a scene with a multiband foldback 08 in slot 1 and a single band octave 20 in slot 2. Then you load a scene that only sets a clean boost in slot 1 with expression set to blend. If you blend, it will morph from the clean boost to the single band octave (at least if my ears don't deceive me and my memory is absolutely clear).

With regard to the earlier point about bypass, using the same example, if the second preset has clean boost with expression pedal morph in slot 1, and some bypassed preset in slot 2, it will NOT morph to the bypassed preset in slot 2. Instead, it will morph to the single band octave.

3) If you load a scene where one pedal is bypassed, e.g. slot 1 is a clean boost and slot 2 is some bypassed multiband octave 13, stepping on the slot 2 footswitch won't turn on a multiband octave. Instead, it will load the preset in slot 2 saved into the pedal itself. Likewise, say the scene loads a preset into slot 1. If you turn it off and on again with the footswitch, it will not load the scene's preset, instead of will load the preset in slot 1 saved into the pedal directly.

4) Finally, a confusing thing - earlier I said the scene loads the engaged pedals in the Scene Viewer from left to right. But if there's a bypassed scene, it seems to be the other way round. For example, if you just have two of the same pedal in the scene viewer, the left one is set to bypass while the right one is set to engaged, the pedal will be bypassed when the scene is loaded. But if the left one is set to engaged while the right one is set to bypassed, the pedal will be engaged. No, I don't understand why this happens. But it doesn't matter, since it doesn't affect morphing anyway.

So TL;DR: If you want to load two presets to morph between, load two of the same pedal in Scene Viewer, set both to engaged, and put the preset for heel-down position on the right.

Do let me know if this method is successful for you guys!
 
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#1,965
Add me too please Manta, Orbital, Dimension, hub.

And midi moose too. Can someone tell me. The moose causes the hub to light and presumably the pedals to change but it causes no changes in the hub software. It should right? If I hit the moose's #2 pedal it should cause the hub software on my laptop to change. Any guesses why it isn't?
 
#1,966
So far I haven't gotten my hub software to reflect changes in the physical pedals. e.g. changing settings in the software changes the pedals, but changing the pedals doesn't change the settings in the software. It's a little annoying because I'd like to be able to directly transfer existing settings from the pedals to the software.
 
#1,967
FretNoMore said:
http://mididesigner.com/

It's not perfect by a long shot but it's the best I've found so far.
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Thanks, I'll look again when I'm around my iPad. I'm mostly happy with MIDI Commander on my Android stuff, but the hardware is a little less reliable. It looks like the iPad stuff might have some more flexibility too.
 
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#1,969
Nic. said:
@Adamixoye if I'm not wrong it's Midi Designer for iPad, I used it before. There's a few versions though, not sure which one he's using. There's the free version with ads, the free version without ads but can only put 12 buttons/switches/etc. on it, and the paid version without ads and with unlimited placement.

----

Anyway, another important update! I think this wasn't made explicitly clear in the manuals and I haven't seen it turn up in the discussion so far, but you CAN set both presets using the hub manager! I guess you could say I found a loophole around it.

The reason for doing so is so that you can set two presets on your OFD or MWBD2, and then morph between them.

Okay, it's done this way: When you're in the hub manager, for the pedal you want to set two presets, include it TWICE in Scene Viewer (the bottom panel). Make sure both are set to engaged, and under additional controls, scroll down to Current Preset, and set one of them to 1 and the other to 2.

When you load the scene from your midi footswitch or whatever, it will load the engaged pedals in the Scene Viewer from left to right. So the first preset you set in the scene viewer will be loaded into either preset 1 or 2 in that pedal, and then a split second later, the second preset will be loaded into the other slot. Now that both are loaded, morphing from one to the other works with the footswitch!

Some other things I discovered while figuring this out:

1) It only works if both are set as "engaged". I think if it is set to "bypass", the hub doesn't bother to send all the other functions, it just sends a "bypass this pedal" message.

2) If you don't set two presets in your scene, instead, you just set one scene (e.g. Preset slot 1) and set it to morph, it won't morph to the preset that you saved in your pedal's slot 2 beforehand. Instead, it morphs to your last used preset in the pedal's slot 2.

For example, say you used a scene with a multiband foldback 08 in slot 1 and a single band octave 20 in slot 2. Then you load a scene that only sets a clean boost in slot 1 with expression set to blend. If you blend, it will morph from the clean boost to the single band octave (at least if my ears don't deceive me and my memory is absolutely clear).

With regard to the earlier point about bypass, using the same example, if the second preset has clean boost with expression pedal morph in slot 1, and some bypassed preset in slot 2, it will NOT morph to the bypassed preset in slot 2. Instead, it will morph to the single band octave.

3) If you load a scene where one pedal is bypassed, e.g. slot 1 is a clean boost and slot 2 is some bypassed multiband octave 13, stepping on the slot 2 footswitch won't turn on a multiband octave. Instead, it will load the preset in slot 2 saved into the pedal itself. Likewise, say the scene loads a preset into slot 1. If you turn it off and on again with the footswitch, it will not load the scene's preset, instead of will load the preset in slot 1 saved into the pedal directly.

4) Finally, a confusing thing - earlier I said the scene loads the engaged pedals in the Scene Viewer from left to right. But if there's a bypassed scene, it seems to be the other way round. For example, if you just have two of the same pedal in the scene viewer, the left one is set to bypass while the right one is set to engaged, the pedal will be bypassed when the scene is loaded. But if the left one is set to engaged while the right one is set to bypassed, the pedal will be engaged. No, I don't understand why this happens. But it doesn't matter, since it doesn't affect morphing anyway.

So TL;DR: If you want to load two presets to morph between, load two of the same pedal in Scene Viewer, set both to engaged, and put the preset for heel-down position on the right.

Do let me know if this method is successful for you guys!
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Jesse tells me to pass on kudos and note that this is very clever!!!
 
#1,970
Hey guys, I have a question for all you educated bunch!! I'm wondering if any of you had issues upgrading the PEQ firmware? I tried numerous times with the gracious help of Nuno but to no avail...I did change the switch a year ago (it did not work anymore) and I'm wondering if that would be the issue...The midi command works (the hub does change the PEQ presets on the first four settings). Thanks in advance (and a Merry Christmas!!!)
 
#1,972
Adamixoye said:
So will that work with any MIDI capable app, or do you need to use its own app? It would be a luxury for now, but would definitely be convenient in the future.
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You run their app that converts the wireless signal into MIDI that gets sent to the other apps as normal CoreMIDI messages in the ios APIs. So, it should be usable by any app.
 
#1,974
Adamixoye said:
Thanks, I'll look again when I'm around my iPad. I'm mostly happy with MIDI Commander on my Android stuff, but the hardware is a little less reliable. It looks like the iPad stuff might have some more flexibility too.
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What are you using to connect your android to your pedals? I'd like to use my Sony Xperia Z2 as a backup midi controller in a pinch.

nshuman said:
You run their app that converts the wireless signal into MIDI that gets sent to the other apps as normal CoreMIDI messages in the ios APIs. So, it should be usable by any app.
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And what's this wireless thing? It sounds very useful...

rsmith601 said:
Jesse tells me to pass on kudos and note that this is very clever!!!
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Thank you! :D
 
#1,979
Nic. said:
What are you using to connect your android to your pedals? I'd like to use my Sony Xperia Z2 as a backup midi controller in a pinch.
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You need some sort of adapter to give you a female USB-A connection on your device. So, for my tablet I use this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00HHJ04MQ/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And for my phone I use something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C2HIJDO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Then to convert from USB to MIDI I use this:
http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Midisport-Uno-MIDI-Interface/dp/B00007JRBM
 
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#1,980
rsmith601 said:
Yes, I remember that well! Will Cady. Huge talent and great contributor to the company until the lure of LA and West Coast livin' stole him away.....
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ON THE PLUS SIDE, Source Audio videos no longer have his feet in them. :D
 

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