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Source Audio UltraWave ~ Catch the Wave
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Hi guys, @bassbrad @GMC @rsmith601
Had a bit of time to dabble with creating own presets. Really enjoying it, some early results are a bit meh, but improving bit by bit.
Could anyone kindly help clarify my (somewhat naive) thinking / approach, to utilising morph & the 2 channels?
As I understand, Morphing can be facilitated either using envelop, LFO (or both), or an external footpedal. I'm still not clear in my mind what exactly happens with morphing though....Source Audio website says "With the Ultrawave's Morph function, it is possible to smoothly transition between two different drive sounds". So the transition is carried out via settings on the LFO and/or envelop, so its an active oscillation? a rhythmic wave effect, pulse?
Its just its hard to tell on some patches, with the distortion.
A foot pedal give you the morph control to physically switch from 1 distortion type to the other, or 'mirge' between. So does that morph (or mirge) sound different from a pulsing LFO?
Can you utilse say the envelop WITHOUT morphing ie just 1 drive/clean sound?
Then you can run two channels and select mix options with the Channel balance. But will this enhancement to the sound be noticeable without a stereo set up? I dont currently have a stereo set up. I dont seem to detect stereo via my headphones from my amp....From what Ive read, you can have 2 outputs from a stereo pedal running into 2 separate amps. Is there another way to enjoy stereo benefits without a second amp? eg 2 cable into 2 mixer channels or via an audio interface into a DAW. Any other ways?
I get quite a bad level of noise in headphones with the mono > stereo > mono? Noisegate silences it in gaps but it sort of crescendos over playing a long note...? Is this to be expected?
The manual states "The LFO utilized by the Ultrawave's multi-tremolo can be either a sine wave or a user-defined "Attack/Release" wave. (The single tremolo uses a standard sine wave only.)" Does this mean that the LFO is only 'active' when the Multi Tremolo is on? Or is this a 2nd LFO going on? Then there's the single tremolo, with rate controlled by same knob as multiband tremolo...... Sorry, get muddled here!
If anyone has the time or inclination to try and clarify my thinking, or give me some pointers, that would be fantastic/hugely appreciated - thanks !!
Had a bit of time to dabble with creating own presets. Really enjoying it, some early results are a bit meh, but improving bit by bit.
Could anyone kindly help clarify my (somewhat naive) thinking / approach, to utilising morph & the 2 channels?
As I understand, Morphing can be facilitated either using envelop, LFO (or both), or an external footpedal. I'm still not clear in my mind what exactly happens with morphing though....Source Audio website says "With the Ultrawave's Morph function, it is possible to smoothly transition between two different drive sounds". So the transition is carried out via settings on the LFO and/or envelop, so its an active oscillation? a rhythmic wave effect, pulse?
Its just its hard to tell on some patches, with the distortion.
A foot pedal give you the morph control to physically switch from 1 distortion type to the other, or 'mirge' between. So does that morph (or mirge) sound different from a pulsing LFO?
Can you utilse say the envelop WITHOUT morphing ie just 1 drive/clean sound?
Then you can run two channels and select mix options with the Channel balance. But will this enhancement to the sound be noticeable without a stereo set up? I dont currently have a stereo set up. I dont seem to detect stereo via my headphones from my amp....From what Ive read, you can have 2 outputs from a stereo pedal running into 2 separate amps. Is there another way to enjoy stereo benefits without a second amp? eg 2 cable into 2 mixer channels or via an audio interface into a DAW. Any other ways?
I get quite a bad level of noise in headphones with the mono > stereo > mono? Noisegate silences it in gaps but it sort of crescendos over playing a long note...? Is this to be expected?
The manual states "The LFO utilized by the Ultrawave's multi-tremolo can be either a sine wave or a user-defined "Attack/Release" wave. (The single tremolo uses a standard sine wave only.)" Does this mean that the LFO is only 'active' when the Multi Tremolo is on? Or is this a 2nd LFO going on? Then there's the single tremolo, with rate controlled by same knob as multiband tremolo...... Sorry, get muddled here!
If anyone has the time or inclination to try and clarify my thinking, or give me some pointers, that would be fantastic/hugely appreciated - thanks !!
@Billyears IV @GMC is the guru of the Morph function
Noise is certainly possible with all the gain stages and moving parts on the Ultrawave, in fact I just created a sound utilizing several of those aspects Happy Mistakes Happen that I love but most will hate.
To my understanding the Multiband Tremolo is part of the Distortion Block.
There is an LFO and simple Envelope Generator in the Filter Block with the EQ, gates and other tools. All of those controls are interactive and a bit counterintuitive IME but that adds to the charming fun of the act of creation or frustration ~ your choice.
Noise is certainly possible with all the gain stages and moving parts on the Ultrawave, in fact I just created a sound utilizing several of those aspects Happy Mistakes Happen that I love but most will hate.
To my understanding the Multiband Tremolo is part of the Distortion Block.
There is an LFO and simple Envelope Generator in the Filter Block with the EQ, gates and other tools. All of those controls are interactive and a bit counterintuitive IME but that adds to the charming fun of the act of creation or frustration ~ your choice.
Hey thanks for quick response!
That helps a bit, how thinking of some parameters are utilised together.
I guess part of the fun is that there are no clear 'rules', and you can stumble across something weird and wonderful. I just want to be a bit more focussed in my approach, so I know I've explored 1 combination, before trying another. Notebook is helping!
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You can always load a published preset that's popular and see how it was created in the editor.
Thanks. I am doing that and learning as I go. Some cool stuff out there
However, would appreciate any answers to my queries, to have better grasp of the principles mentioned? I can then plan/build my own presets with clearer objectives. Still get a bit muddled.
Part of the 'essence' of the pedal is to free up/abandon thinking and just let rip....don't try to tame the beast!! ha ha . But my own patch building would now benefit from better understanding of utilising morph, channels, stereo functions....
Has anyone got a recording of a preset, with an expression pedal controlling the morphing and then same preset with either envelop or LFO controlling it?? To show differences and help me decide whether to add an expression pedal.
Could I assign a knob, to be turned, to achieve same control/effect as an expression pedal? give me an idea....?
many thanks
Could I assign a knob, to be turned, to achieve same control/effect as an expression pedal? give me an idea....?
many thanks
I'm not sure about your morph question, you seem to answer it yourself? It's controlled by expression, LFO, or envelope. How it sounds depends on what is being morphed. The sound isn't affected by what is controlling the morph. I don't believe you can take advantage of the envelope to do a traditional envelope filter sound without morphing, but with morphing you can set the envelope open/close states and morph between them, which should give you the same effect.
Another use of the stereo outputs is for splitting your signal, typically using one output for mid/high frequencies, and the other for low. You can apply different compression or distortion to either channel as well. You can then run either (or both) of those outputs through other pedals, then merge them together afterwards using some other pedal (I'd use an EQ2 for that due to it have phase inversion if needed).
I don't know what you mean by the noise gate causing a crescendo. You mean it's making the noise louder instead of quieter?
Hey thanks a lot for response
Re my morph question, I want to know how an expression pedal might sound different to the LFO. So you would be physically moving the pedal to shift between morph distortion 'channels' (distinct to channels 1 & 2 on master controls). Would this pedal control mean you could play on 1 distortion channel, press down on pedal to gradually shift towards other distortion channel......?
For example, I can do that with my BOSS GT-1B. Built in exp pedal, so use it to shift gradually from say a clean sound towards OD.
Using LFO to morph is using an oscillating wave effect - sort of 'shimmer' / pulse, yes? Different behaviour/character to the sound?
Just want to hear from someone using an exp pedal
thanks. But how best to hear appreciate stereo sound, playing live, without 2 amps?
Or is the idea of 2 channels just to be able to set different parameters?
Lack of experience here of how best to utilise 2 outputs of a pedal
its not the Noisegate causing the cresendo. Its just happening when playing a note with sustain with a patch set to mono > stereo > mono
the noisegate does its job when not touching strings, but the hiss/noise behaves as above when playing. So is this normal when using mono > stereo > mono?
its not a desired distortion noise
Appreciate you considering my questions. sorry if its not written clearly
Expression and LFO won't sound different. If you controlled the expression pedal in the same way as the LFO, they would sound identical. But yes, morphing allows you to gradually shift between your 2 morph settings, using whatever control mechanism you choose. An LFO will oscillate between the 2 morph settings with the speed you set it at, envelope will use the amplitude of the input signal, and expression will directly set the morph value.Hey thanks a lot for response
Re my morph question, I want to know how an expression pedal might sound different to the LFO. So you would be physically moving the pedal to shift between morph distortion 'channels' (distinct to channels 1 & 2 on master controls). Would this pedal control mean you could play on 1 distortion channel, press down on pedal to gradually shift towards other distortion channel......?
For example, I can do that with my BOSS GT-1B. Built in exp pedal, so use it to shift gradually from say a clean sound towards OD.
Using LFO to morph is using an oscillating wave effect - sort of 'shimmer' / pulse, yes? Different behaviour/character to the sound?
Just want to hear from someone using an exp pedal
thanks.
I think I need to try an expression pedal myself. Can you assign a knob to turn for morphing, as per exp pedal?
Yes, the morph control can be assigned to one of the knobs. This is one of my favourite presets that takes advantage of blending and morphing using the pedal knobs, to allow you to combine 3 different fuzzes together: Neuro Community by Source Audio
All of those pedals will require 2 signals for the 2 stereo channels, just like the Ultrawave. I use stereo pedals, including the Source Audio ones, but I only play at home. I use a Quad Cortex to drive my 2 studio monitors for stereo output.
Yes, the noise gate doesn't filter out noise. It reduces the volume of the signal when the volume is already below some threshold so you don't hear the noise when you aren't playing. So as soon as you start playing the noise gate will open, and the full sound, noise and all, will come through.
