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Speaker alignment delay

Discussion in 'Live Sound [BG]' started by KingRazor, Jul 4, 2012.


  1. Is there a device out there that can add delay to a speaker for under $100? I know a dbx driverack can do it, but they can get really pricey unless you get a used one, and even then they're almost $300 most of the time.
     
  2. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    Most rackmount delay units can do this. You just have to set the mix to 100% wet, no feedback, and how many ms of delay you need. Sound travels at 1130 feet per second, so 1 ms per 11.3 feet.
     
  3. oh, interesting, I wouldn't have necessarily thought that.
     
  4. testing1two

    testing1two Supporting Member

    Feb 25, 2009
    Southern California
    If you happen to be using a digital console they usually have delays which are assignable to any of the output/matrix buses. Or you could find an Alesis Midiverb 4 on the used market for 100-150 bucks and do as lowfreq33 suggested. Just remember there's no free lunch going the cheap route. Passing your entire mix through a cheap delay unit will color the sound to some degree.
     
  5. Passinwind

    Passinwind I know nothing. Commercial User

    Dec 3, 2003
    Columbia River Gorge, WA.
    Owner/Designer &Toaster Tech Passinwind Electronics
    You might want to do that math again...;)
     
  6. The Roland M-400 doesn't have one of those specifically (although the M-480 does), but I could assign one of the vocal delay effects to the mains.
     
  7. Before we upgraded our system processing years ago, all of our delay needs were handled with Yamaha d1030 processors. They can still be found for around $150.00.

    You can delay up to 3 areas with this unit. 1 in, 3 out. Each output can be assigned its own discrete delay, and minimal equalization.
     
  8. By the way, are you intending to use this as a system delay? Like, for an under-balcony fill, or some other "delay zone"? If so, you need an extremely fine level of adjustment. Or are you intending to use a delay as an effect?
     
  9. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    D'oh!

    1 ms per 1.13 feet. :)
     
  10. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    D'oh!

    1 ms per 1.13 feet :)
     
  11. Mousekillaz

    Mousekillaz

    Nov 25, 2009
    Anacortes Wa.
    BBE Sonic Maximizer
     
  12. ..dude.
     
  13. Doesn't look like that unit has delay on it.
     
  14. Our center main speaker is hanging a foot or two forward from the left and right speakers. So I'd use the delay to time-align them.
     
  15. lowfreq33

    lowfreq33

    Jan 27, 2010
    Nashville
    Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification
    Not only will that not do what the OP wants, it's sonic snake oil that nobody should own, ever.
     
  16. Mousekillaz

    Mousekillaz

    Nov 25, 2009
    Anacortes Wa.
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  17. A d1030 would be overkill in this application. As long as you get your hands on a delay that you can either set to make adjustments in feet, or less that 1 millisecond increments, you'll be fine. Of course, if you ever add speakers toward the rear of the hall, you'll need additional delay channels.

    Also - it helps a bit to delay the mains to the stage, if they're hanging in front of the stage a bit. Some engineers delay them all the way back to the drums, others will split the difference between drums/downstage edge. If you were to go this route, then a d1030 or equivalent black box would help out a lot.

    Not a sonic maximizer. You might as well insert a baked potato with a knob hot-glued to it in your center output...
     
  18. mousekillaz - a sonic maximizer is NOT a system delay.
     
  19. Mousekillaz

    Mousekillaz

    Nov 25, 2009
    Anacortes Wa.
    No it wouldn't do what the OP is looking for, I'd venture a guess ... nothing would.
    BBE touts the Sonic Maximizer a time realignment device, I'm not sure how well that is documented. But a lot of people swear by them. I use a BBE MaxCom and find the BBE process usable in moderation but it can certainly be a really bad thing if over done.
     
  20. "Not a sonic maximizer. You might as well insert a baked potato with a knob hot-glued to it in your center output..."

    Nice :)
     

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