Here's what I'll have. It's not my rig as my head is on back order but it's the exact same thing. 210 on top of a 212. Sometimes if it's a really small gig I'll use one cab (which one is a spur of the moment decision.)
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Speakers Vertically Stacked
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i did this recently with my cab but i did notice a diffrence. i think im gonna keep em horizontal. i dunno why but it just sounded nicer to me
You may be learning some of the "why's", but it seems like your ears are keeping you on the right track.
Since you're ordering it in you may as well get matching 2x10 or matching 2x12 cabs.
Looks more than a little tippy. A wide dolly and a strap would take care of that.
Looks more than a little tippy. A wide dolly and a strap would take care of that.
I hear many good things about this set up. And all say that it's not unstable (not that it can't be knocked over). The 210 212 combo is even recommended in the Bass Gear review of the cabs. Of course it's all a matter of personal taste but this is where I'll start.
The 212 is a deep cabinet so it's quite stable that way, but haven't heard any complaints. I also already have the cabs and only the amp in on back order.
If I were to go with 2x212 then I might just as well go with the Aggie I use in my big rig, which is this...
Seriously, if you look at the drivers closely, you'll notice it's essentially a vertical Acme B-4.
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I hear many good things about this set up. And all say that it's not unstable (not that it can't be knocked over). The 210 212 combo is even recommended in the Bass Gear review of the cabs. Of course it's all a matter of personal taste but this is where I'll start.
The 212 is a deep cabinet so it's quite stable that way, but haven't heard any complaints. I also already have the cabs and only the amp in on back order.
If I were to go with 2x212 then I might just as well go with the Aggie I use in my big rig, which is this...
gear too much have you! 
Why even bother with the 2x10 when you have a big gun like that for big gigs? Could it be you are planning to downsize if you like the new kindofbig rig?
Why even bother with the 2x10 when you have a big gun like that for big gigs? Could it be you are planning to downsize if you like the new kindofbig rig?
Well... I have given into the GAS. LOL I just want to be ready for anything. I'm just very lucky to at a place in my life (for the first time) where I can do this. Who knows? Maybe the RH450+Rs212+RS210 will suprise me and be all I need. Not sure. Maybe those cabs with an RH750 is all I need. Yikes! Decisions decisions.
Thing is I bought the Aggie and Blacksmith first only to realize it was too much for many gigs. As I put together the band I'll use the Aggie/Blacksmith for most of the time, I'm doing a lot of small acoustic and light electric gigs in the mean time. And they'll include one and/or two cab situations. I have a perfect black wooden bar stool to put one cab on for the acoustic gigs.
Back in the day (late 80s early 90s) when I was in a band with an album out and touring the country to support it I would've killed for that Aggie/Blacksmith rig. I was using a Peavey Max with an 1820 cab. Which was a bass preamp through a CS800 bi-amped into two 10s and one 18.
Really biting my tongue here
, but, if you set your 210 and 212 face to face, they're the same dimensions aren't they? Notice the gap between the 10's while the 12's are edge to edge. You saying the 212 is built deeper? That would at least make some sense, though it's still a tradeoff to make them cheaper. They at least still get to cut baffles and backs to the same size, regardless of the drivers used. That said, it's still a better design than the Aggie.
, but, if you set your 210 and 212 face to face, they're the same dimensions aren't they? Notice the gap between the 10's while the 12's are edge to edge. You saying the 212 is built deeper? That would at least make some sense, though it's still a tradeoff to make them cheaper. They at least still get to cut baffles and backs to the same size, regardless of the drivers used. That said, it's still a better design than the Aggie.
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Sometimes i like my backline rental 810s on their side....... It works for me.. I dont really care about the science part of it...
and on some very large stages No one in the crowd will ever hear and phasing issues over the FOH..
and on some very large stages No one in the crowd will ever hear and phasing issues over the FOH..
Me too.
Previously used the Demeter/PLX rack (in my sig) but the ShuttleMax 12.0 is sooo much easier to cart.
Really biting my tongue here
TCE purposely designed the cabs to have identical front faces. The RS212 is 5.7 inches deeper than the RS210. The 212 has two rear ports and the 210 has one. My main reason for going this route is to get the top speaker as close as possible to my ears. The closer it is, the quieter I play. My last rig I had two 410 cabs but usually played through only one of them and I had to mount my gear in a rack and put the 410 on top of it.
Funny thing is that the two TCE cabs alone stacked vertically equal the height of the Aggie and Blacksmith together. LOL But... and it's a big but... That big rig BLOWS DOORS big time. I likey very much!
Me, three.
My God, what have I started!
Hee hee... go for it guys!
Show us your vertically stacked speakers!
TCE purposely designed the cabs to have identical front faces. The RS212 is 5.7 inches deeper than the RS210. The 212 has two rear ports and the 210 has one. My main reason for going this route is to get the top speaker as close as possible to my ears. The closer it is, the quieter I play. My last rig I had two 410 cabs but usually played through only one of them and I had to mount my gear in a rack and put the 410 on top of it.
Funny thing is that the two TCE cabs alone stacked vertically equal the height of the Aggie and Blacksmith together. LOL But... and it's a big but... That big rig BLOWS DOORS big time. I likey very much!
Ya, it's a good design then, giving the 12's the room they need while keeping the "look" on the front side. You'd be surprised how many engineers are given a design, shape, dimensions, etc. from the suits and the marketing department and basically told "make this sound like this". They're not designed as speakers to begin with, they're designed as "product" to sell, they even decorate it first, choosing colors, finishes, etc. Considering how tightly some of these guys hands are tied, it is amazing sometimes the stuff they can come up with....yours is an example of that. It shows creativity and engineering prowess. Consider the marketing departments as the turd, which when thinking of it from a pure sound design standpoint, is exactly what it is. Then use all your creativity and your skills to polish it the best you can......that's what happens. In your case, it turned out good. Let some of these guys off the leash, and we'd have stuff the likes of which we'd never imagined, better than anything we've ever heard.......although 99&44/100% of us couldn't afford it.
Ya, it's a good design then, giving the 12's the room they need while keeping the "look" on the front side. You'd be surprised how many engineers are given a design, shape, dimensions, etc. from the suits and the marketing department and basically told "make this sound like this". They're not designed as speakers to begin with, they're designed as "product" to sell, they even decorate it first, choosing colors, finishes, etc. Considering how tightly some of these guys hands are tied, it is amazing sometimes the stuff they can come up with....yours is an example of that. It shows creativity and engineering prowess. Consider the marketing departments as the turd, which when thinking of it from a pure sound design standpoint, is exactly what it is. Then use all your creativity and your skills to polish it the best you can......that's what happens. In your case, it turned out good. Let some of these guys off the leash, and we'd have stuff the likes of which we'd never imagined, better than anything we've ever heard.......although 99&44/100% of us couldn't afford it.
Things are getting better. Back in the 70's I bought what was a big rig from Peavey that ran through a single 18" speaker in a folded horn cabinet. It WAS big but... a folded horn? I soon found out the fallacy of that idea. LOL All bottom and no mids or highs. And the low end didn't develop until half way to the back wall of the club. I couldn't hear myself but I was vibrating drinks off of tables out in the crowd. Ah... this is how we learn. LOL
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Has anybody paid attention to boundery reflections with vertically stacked cabinets?
Standing out in the audience, with a hard stage, you will have multiple reflections and arrival times from the stage as the boundery. That's the big (potential) negative with vertical arrays.
The positive aspects of a horizontal array (on the deck) is better LF coupling and less interference from boundery reflections BUT the biggest negative is that the summing interference lobes are in the horizontal plane.
This topic is FULL of tradeoffs.
Standing out in the audience, with a hard stage, you will have multiple reflections and arrival times from the stage as the boundery. That's the big (potential) negative with vertical arrays.
The positive aspects of a horizontal array (on the deck) is better LF coupling and less interference from boundery reflections BUT the biggest negative is that the summing interference lobes are in the horizontal plane.
This topic is FULL of tradeoffs.
