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Speakers Vertically Stacked

#102
Sparks55 said:
Interesting thing about the depth difference of the TCE 12" vs 10" cabs: if you are standing close to the front of your vertical 2x12 + 2x10 stack, you can stack the 2x10 toward the back of the 2x12 so the mids/highs reach you at the same time from each cab (more or less). Uffe even demonstrated this in the sales demo vids. Clever marketing "angle", even if it was realized after the cabs were designed. Acoustic tilt using Combo450 stacked with RS112 - YouTube

@johnsonabq: horizontal interference issues aside, try a 2x12 + 2x10 + 2x10 TCE stack with the RH450 at 2-3 Ohms. The coax tweeters are vertically aligned, the amp is super punchy, and the visual is impressive. Maybe you're not done with your TCE GAS!

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Mark
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Nice, but I wonder if I'll hear the mids and highs that way. Maybe that trick of moving the 210s back on the 212 works horizontally too?

Do I see a Gramma?
 
#103
Jeff, the cones with the coax are reinforcing each other vertically and the upper one is 3 feet off the ground. No problen hearing the highs from my side of the stage.

Yes, it's a gamma. The drummer had a weak singing voice and needed a lot of gain. His mic stand is always within 2 feet of my stack and I need to put as little stage vibration to his stand as possible. In this case there was an unknown soundman, no rear stage wall to reflect his monitor, and the stage was old deck planking so I'm really glad I brought it! (Easy to make something similar by hand but it didn't seem worth a couple hours of my time and then I'd still need a bag or something to carry it in).
 
#104
Sparks55 said:
Jeff, the cones with the coax are reinforcing each other vertically and the upper one is 3 feet off the ground. No problen hearing the highs from my side of the stage.

Yes, it's a gamma. The drummer had a weak singing voice and needed a lot of gain. His mic stand is always within 2 feet of my stack and I need to put as little stage vibration to his stand as possible. In this case there was an unknown soundman, no rear stage wall to reflect his monitor, and the stage was old deck planking so I'm really glad I brought it! (Easy to make something similar by hand but it didn't seem worth a couple hours of my time and then I'd still need a bag or something to carry it in).
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Mark,
Cool... Do you notice any extra ooomph (technical term lol) out of the RH450 with three cabs?
 
#105
Joe Louvar said:
ok, I’ve searched everywhere and I can’t find any info about this speaker. How deep was it, was it a bass woofer, how many drivers, what drivers, etc - does anyone have a link?
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Not to that one, but Invalid Link Removed roughly along those lines in the meantime. Be sure to follow the theory links, one of which gets you Invalid Link Removed.
 
#106
Most definitely. That extra cone area moves significantly more air. And with the amp running into less than 3 Ohms it probably puts out the full 236 watts (Ouch!, sorry....couldn't resist). :hiding: :rollno:

Tradeoff: vertical stack sounds better, 3 cab stack feels/looks better. Not that there's anything wrong with that..

Mark
 
#107
Sparks55 said:
Most definitely. That extra cone area moves significantly more air. And with the amp running into less than 3 Ohms it probably puts out the full 236 watts (Ouch!, sorry....couldn't resist). :hiding: :rollno:

Tradeoff: vertical stack sounds better, 3 cab stack feels/looks better. Not that there's anything wrong with that..

Mark
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236 tube watts! LOL :hiding: :D

Seriously though, Bass Gear Mags clinical examination assured us we were getting the 236 @ 4 ohms so I'm wondering if a little more gets squeezed out with a third cab?
 
#108
For purposes of scale, the 3 TC cab stack is 42 inches tall and the Bergantino NV610 is 36 inches tall.

For old school classic rock and blues, the NV610 is a tighter, louder, lower bass version of the classic fridge. The horizontal stack of 3 TC cabs is great for all around cover tunes and looks awesomne. However, the vertical stack definitely allows you to hear more articulation in your playing, sounds better off axis (other side of the stage) cuts the mix better out in front, but is not as loud as 6 speakers. I haven't tried a more powerful amp.

To my ear the TC cabs sound like they were designed to go together in the different configurations. With the 4 TC cabs I can go with 1x12, 1x12 + 2x10, 1x12 + 2x12, 2x10, 2x12, 2x10 + 2x10 or 2x12 + 2x10. If I was forced to choose just one configuration of these I would definitely keep 2x10 + 2x10 vertical.

If I were to go with another manufacturer I would definitely not mix speaker sizes without frequency separation/isolation (i.e. using a crossover) un less I was convinced that they were carefully designed to go together. I'm considering building a 3-way 12/6/1 and a 12 sub (all either front or horn-loaded) that I can chain together to 4 Ohms with internal passive crossovers. Chosing the 12's over 10's or 15's for geometric reasons, not sound.

Mark
 
#109
Sparks55 said:
However, the vertical stack definitely allows you to hear more articulation in your playing, sounds better off axis (other side of the stage) cuts the mix better out in front, but is not as loud as 6 speakers.
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I'm wondering about the 210s stacked and the 212 placed vertically next to them on the floor? Then you'd get the full benefit of six speakers.
 

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