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Spector Club - Part 12

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Maybe I missed that. But to my ears the Tone Pump sounds nothing like either my Haz-Lab or Haz-Lab copies.

I think there are some distinct variables that can work against the tones sounding similar. But side-by-side with my NS-2, the Euro4LX-Classic with P/J setup sounds similar, but definitely not exactly the same. The growl is there. The signal from the TP is cleaner... less gritty. And there is a warmth to the USA Circuit that the TP doesn't have. But that could be the difference in neck woods (Pau Ferro vs. European Rosewood), body woods, alloy nut and bridge (open string) to solid brass... And my NS-2 being a BEM model is bright as all get-out.

The more interesting comparison is my NS-2 to NS-4. MAN there is some power to the NS-4 that it took running the NS-2 next to it for me to hear. The volume output of the NS-4 is much greater. It's a more mellow sound, much deeper. Much more headroom... but just as growly and gritty. Which was surprising to me.

If it was supposed to "emulate" the Haz-Lab, why boost only (which turned out to be totally false anyway)?

Yeah, Petr changed his story on that honestly. The original information provided was what he gave PJ. Trust me, PJ was as surprised by the new information as we all were. But there is a MAJOR language barrier thing with Petr. Brilliant guy but his English is very broken and hard to understand at times.

Plus, for a preamp that was supposed to emulate something they were already familiar with, they sure seemed to turn a "blind ear" to it's actual performance. Especially in light of the proper info they got from the manufacturer years after it's implementation.

SPECTOR is the manufacturer. Petr works at the Czech factory. So the issue here is a language barrier thing. Petr does have the right to market the TP in Europe under his own brand.

According to PJ, he sat in Petr's laboratory with his 1983 NS-2 (Brooklyn) and they would play notes through the same amp, PJ's NS-2 and Petr with a computer design system he used to "program" the sound of the TP. And they spent days working through different EQ settings etc... hitting a series of different notes, to try and get the TP's tonal output as close to the NS-2's as possible. And I've heard the similarities more than once. Does it sound exactly like it? No. But it's way closer than any other JFET-based circuit on the market. And the JFET circuits are superior from a design/signal-load standpoint.

I've got nothing against the Tone Pump. I've got one in my 6 string NS and it's slowly winning out against the Aggie OBP-1 I have in my 4 string NS. I just don't think it's anything like the Haz-Lab/Spector 9volt circuit. They're two different animals to me.

Which ironically, all of the Aguilar OBP circuits are... wait for it... JFET Circuits. They're just not "colored" the way the TP is. They are MUCH cleaner. Much less gritty and growly. They sound amazingly clear, very high signal fidelity, in studio. They are very solid circuits for someone who wants to record and then tour and have the two sound the same... meaning in studio performance and live stage performance.

The TP and OBP are basically designed the same, or at least the heart of the technology that allows for signal processing and amplification are the same. But that's about it. Petr designed the TP to sound like the USA 9v SPECTOR (Haz) circuit and he had PJ to work with him and a real Brooklyn NS-2 to tie it all together.

I'm not saying it's a perfect solution, but the cost of the technology is part of the advantage. The materials in the TP are 1/4 as costly as those in the "Haz" and they provide a cleaner signal honestly. Part of the reason that you can get a Euro for 1/3 the cost of a USA. Put the Haz in the Euro basses and there export taxes (for sending the NJ made Haz to Europe for installation), there's the cost of making them... add $500 or more to the cost of the Euro.

I think that ultimately if PJ and Stuart are happy with the tone of the Euro, that's enough for me. And you can always do an upgrade if you want.
 
And we (those who have watched my video) know that OP Amps often over-saturate during attack. The solid-state design of the USA 9v circuit and the extra power of the 18v circuit (opens up the headroom), the over-saturation issues are not an issue at all. Which is the brilliance of the design.

I take exception to the notion that opamps can't handle the attack of a bass. The fact is that nearly all modern opamps have far greater slew rates than anything a bass pickup can put out. *IF* an opamp saturates on the attack, it's due to design, not limitations of the opamp. At least, not with any one of many thousands of opamps available today. They are designed to hand signals much larger and faster than bass notes - which are very tame as far as signals go.

Now I will say that significant gain like the original TP has can be problematic. In that particular application, perhaps that statement (that opamps saturate on the attack) is true. In general though, for most typical opamp circuits, the statement is false. It's context-dependent.

That is all. Carry on.
 
It looks like Mike Inez still likes to use his Spector :)

‪Alice In Chains - Rain When I Die (Live at Rock Am Ring 2010)‬‏ - YouTube

Man, listen to that thing! I do think I read somewhere that he likes to use his Spector for songs that he needs to tune down more on. This one is tuned down 1 and a half steps i believe to D flat (or C sharp, I am terrible about figuring out the difference) so it might be one of the few tracks he will use the Spector on.
 
delucajohn2000 said:
It looks like Mike Inez still likes to use his Spector :)

Alice In Chains - Rain When I Die (Live at Rock Am Ring 2010) ? - YouTube

Man, listen to that thing! I do think I read somewhere that he likes to use his Spector for songs that he needs to tune down more on. This one is tuned down 1 and a half steps i believe to D flat (or C sharp, I am terrible about figuring out the difference) so it might be one of the few tracks he will use the Spector on.

I saw that concert on TV. It looked to me like he split his time evenly between spectors and warwicks.
 
SPECTOR makes the TonePump at the Czech Factory. It was designed by Petr Mihalik in the Czech Republic. It uses a JFET circuit... Junction Field Effect Transistor.

PJ Rubal travelled to the Czech Factory with a Brooklyn NS-2 with the "Haz" made 9v USA SPECTOR Circuit and worked with Petr to "color" the TonePump's output to closely match the USA 9v Circuit as possible. The "Haz" circuit uses a TLO 62 style op amp (as do all the HAZ circuits).

And we (those who have watched my video) know that OP Amps often over-saturate during attack. The solid-state design of the USA 9v circuit and the extra power of the 18v circuit (opens up the headroom), the over-saturation issues are not an issue at all. Which is the brilliance of the design.

The TonePump is not made by Haz. But it was designed to SOUND like the Haz, even though they use completely different technologies to achieve the tonal outcome.

The goal of the TonePump... the purpose for designing it, was to create a 9v Active Circuit solution that used the latest technology available to give the Euro Series Basses a sound that would make them true European-production versions of the USA SPECTOR basses.

So, are you saying that a Euro LX with a Hazlab will sound the same as a USA NS?

Is there a general consensus that the USA's sound better than the Euros, or do they each have their fans? I'd like to hear from people who own both and have played them side-by-side.

Do the Euro and USA models have separate niches, i.e. maybe one is more popular for rock and the other is more popular for jazz, etc?

What other differences exist in the construction that would affect the sound?
 
Speaking of AIC.....I'M ABSOLUTELY IN LOVE WITH MIKE STARR'S TONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a few samples live:

‪Alice in chains - Singles Premiere Party 1992‬‏ - YouTube

&#x202a;Alice in chains - Singles Premiere Party 1992&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube <- Gosh, this sounds AMAZING!!!!!

Just out of curiosity has ANYONE replaced the TP in a Euro with a USA circuit??? I'm very interested to know how sounds since the the wood is different in the newer Euros. I'm very tempted to try with my Euro 4LX, but i'm wanting to actually throw it in my "new to me" CR4FM since it is all maple.
 
So, are you saying that a Euro LX with a Hazlab will sound the same as a USA NS?
Having a HazLab pre would get you closer to the mark, however since the Euro LX utilizes different woods and zinc-brass alloy or aluminum bridge I would expect the tone to be somewhat different than a US model with solid maple wings and a brass bridge. Of course you might be splitting hairs. :)
 
I found this today:
&#x202a;Warwickbassvideos's Channel&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube
What the f... hapened.
Couple months ago Andrew Irvine said how the Spector basses are the best and many more... look on youtube for Andrew Irvine videos with his beloved Spectors.
Now I see that Warwicks money can buy everyone.I am so dissapointed because I saw that.

He talks about liking a 34 inch scale better but I bet it had to do with the amount of cash/basses he's receiving.
 
I found this today:
&#x202a;Warwickbassvideos's Channel&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube
What the f... hapened.
Couple months ago Andrew Irvine said how the Spector basses are the best and many more... look on youtube for Andrew Irvine videos with his beloved Spectors.
Now I see that Warwicks money can buy everyone.I am so dissapointed because I saw that.

Funny, the first reason he gives for liking the bass is the wide string spacing on the 5-string .... ahem .... anybody else out there wish Spector would make a Euro 5-string neck through with 19 mm spacing at the bridge (Phat? :p)? A 34" scale was his second.

I'm sure Andy had good reason to switch companies. Hopefully it was an amicable departure from Spector.
 
He talks about liking a 34 inch scale better but I bet it had to do with the amount of cash/basses he's receiving.

To be fair.. Ive talk to Andy personally about this move. Andy is a good guy and musically his focus is on teaching.. warwick agreed to help him with clinics and overseas events.

Might as well be like a charity taking help from douche bag celebs... at least the end cause is just.
 
I found this today:
&#x202a;Warwickbassvideos's Channel&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube
What the f... hapened.
Couple months ago Andrew Irvine said how the Spector basses are the best and many more... look on youtube for Andrew Irvine videos with his beloved Spectors.
Now I see that Warwicks money can buy everyone.I am so dissapointed because I saw that.

Geeez!!!!! This is crazy! Didn't he even have a Spector Story too? :scowl:
 
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