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Spector Club - Part 9

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So, if I saw that natural one (shakey_slim posted) for sale w/out the battery box, I would be questioning "what" it really is given the info available.
It LOOKS like an NS-2J in the front :cool: but not in the back.?? :eek: Not knowing it was a prototype...
Begging the question - Did some one modify a Legend or something else into this? Did they do a really good fill job in the Pup area and put in J pups and what is it REALLY worth now, is it worth more or less now that it isn't what it WAS before.
I have been scouring Craigslist, eBay, etc for Spector basses to get an idea of what I want. I have seen people listing Performers as Professionals, Pros as Euro's, NS-2A's as NS-2s, etc. :rolleyes: Sometimes it's obviously not (depending on your level of familiarity with Spector) what they say it is. I'm not eeeeven near JPS's level, but I can spot a lot of misrepresented Spectors as I look around the usual "for sale" sites.:eyebrow:
I mean, If you didn't know better, you might "fall for" an NS-2 in the the few pics and a description from the seller, buy it for say $1400 and have a $400 NS-2A. I have seen a couple 2As with all gold hardware, which may have been home-brewed with those Gold Plating kits people use on car parts.:rollno:

Don't get me wrong I'm NOT complaining about anything. :D
I am just trying to understand and get to know my FAVORITE bass builders line of products and how to tell which is which. :cool:
Some are marked as i.e. "NS-2J", some just a have serial number on the headstock or cavity plate, under the cavity plate, no serial #, etc...

The NS-2A's you've seen with gold hardware... All Korean-Made Spectors have the same size bridge. So you can take the gold Spector bridge off a Legend Custom and put it on an NS-2A.

So the best way to know a NS-2A vs the NS-2 is the only USA Kramers being made with pearl dot fingerboard markers was the NS-2O (for natural Oil finish). These were always solid quilt maple, natural finished and had pearl-dot markers. They were several hundred dollars less than the full-blown NS-2. And they still had the USA Brass Spector Bridge and Gold Schaller tuners.

So unless it is a matte/oil finished quilt maple finished model, all USA NS-2 models during the Kramer years had pearl Crown Inlays.

And the NS-2A (except for perhaps 5 or 10 towards the end which were special orders) had pearl-dot necks.

The serial numbers were important too... USA models will have a stamped number on the headstock... the ink used would run when the finish was applied so many of these "Kramer rubber-stamped" Spectors have numbers that are almost impossible to read.

NS-2A models will have NS followed by a number stamped into the plastic of the control cover. Early NS-2A models didn't have any serial.

Early Euros sometimes didn't have serials. But it's a good bet that most Euro models will have the "Czech Republic" stamp under the finish on the headstock.

Honestly if you think you've found a deal and want to be sure, you can email me the details and I'll try and run it down for you.

I'm honestly not looking to buy any used/pre-owned SPECTORs at this point. I've got a couple of new custom-builds in my sights and so you can trust that I'll shoot straight with you and won't interfere in any deal you may have working. And I'll tell you if it was a deal I'd do if I were you.

There are some scammers out there. But for the most part I've not seen too many people try to pass off a Spector as something it wasn't. Most of the mis-labels I see has to do with second hand lack-of-knowledge... i.e. "My buddy sold it to me... he told me it was a NS-4." When it's a Euro4LX. That sort of thing.

You can always ask me or go to the source, Mr. Walking Spector Model Knowledge-Base himself, PJ Rubal. Honestly, when I don't know something about a model I'll ask PJ. Unless it's about a Czech model. Then I've found that Phat on this board is pretty much right 99.99% of the time. So he's a great resource too.

:-)

Kramer Era Spectors (not the complete list but the three I mentioned in this post):

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Thank you for all the info.
I almost jumped out of my skin when I saw a listing for an NS-5 for 499.00:eek:
The seller looks to be a dealer with a 100% rating over 4000 feedbacks...


Then I looked at it and see that it looks like a Legend 5 Custom.
I'm getting pretty good at discerning between the models obvious differences btw..;)
I believe the early NS5 was a triple P Dimarzio,
then SSD NS-5 had Soapbar pups, crowns, the tapered headstock and
the Neptune model had JJs
but ALL had gold hardware except the knobs.. yes?

This one was all black hardware, soapbars, dot inlays,
so I scrolled all the way to the pic of the headstock and and and ...

it's stamped made in KOREA:eyebrow:
on the standard headstock not the slimmer tapered headstock...

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Tracebassplayer said:
Hmm, ok what is different in a "set neck"? It looks like a neckthru ..
I'm gonna ask even though I have an idea... just to help someone else that might not..

Set neck can be somewhat considered similar a bolt on, other than the fact that the neck heel is usually set slightly deeper into the body. Some folks will make the tenon more narrow and use a dovetail joint and some just a flat area. The other obviously difference is glue is used, instead of bolts. Beyond that, a set neck joint is slightly tighter, for a good bond.
 
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- He's moving out of the country..soon.
It comes with the OHSC, gigbag, padded 2.5-inch strap, stand and two sets of new strings (Thomastik JF365 and RotoSound RS 77LD) for $1,000.000.

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Tracebassplayer said:
Thank you for all the info.
I almost jumped out of my skin when I saw a listing for an NS-5 for 499.00:eek:
The seller looks to be a dealer with a 100% rating over 4000 feedbacks...

Then I looked at it and see that it looks like a Legend 5 Custom.
I'm getting pretty good at discerning between the models obvious differences btw..;)
I believe the early NS5 was a triple P Dimarzio,
then SSD NS-5 had Soapbar pups, crowns, the tapered headstock and
the Neptune model had JJs
but ALL had gold hardware except the knobs.. yes?

This one was all black hardware, soapbars, dot inlays,
so I scrolled all the way to the pic of the headstock and and and ...

it's stamped made in KOREA:eyebrow:
on the standard headstock not the slimmer tapered headstock...

Yeah I saw that add a couple weeks ago when I was looking and laughed. Figured he meant it as having the NS-5 shaped body. Was thinking about contacting him to let him know that's a NS-2000/5, but didn't.

Tracebassplayer said:
OK, I saw the 2005 models too but, I see Legend 4 & 5 "Custom" (neckthru) models but not on the Spector site.. ????
But definitely NOT an NS-5. ser 0038319 looks like to me... no NS designator though

I've never seen a Legend neck-thru.

Rickett Customs said:
Set neck can be somewhat considered similar a bolt on, other than the fact that the neck heel is usually set slightly deeper into the body. Some folks will make the tenon more narrow and use a dovetail joint and some just a flat area. The other obviously difference is glue is used, instead of bolts. Beyond that, a set neck joint is slightly tighter, for a good bond.

The set necks have a longer sustaining tone than the bolt-ons too...almost as long as neck-thru's.
 
Yeah I saw that add a couple weeks ago when I was looking and laughed. Figured he meant it as having the NS-5 shaped body. Was thinking about contacting him to let him know that's a NS-2000/5, but didn't.

I did...:D

I've never seen a Legend neck-thru.
I see them on eBay touted as neckthru or "Custom Neckthru - Not the bolt-on Classic model"


The set necks have a longer sustaining tone than the bolt-ons too...almost as long as neck-thru's.
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I don't look for basses on eBay, CL or GC unless I'm looking to buy...or I get some serious G.A.S. And then I'm in trouble with my little lady!!! /:

Hey Phat...did that guy in Vegas sell that blue Euro 5 LX? Man that was a gorgeous Spector & deal!
 
Debatable, but then again a poll would shoot you a divided consensus.

I'd say that in my experience set-necks have a little more sustain and are more rigid than typical standard-bolt-ons.

But the deep pocket insert bolt-ons like the ReBop and USA Bolt-Ons... I can't tell any difference between them and set neck Legends regarding sustain.

And where I think they have a little more sustain than your average four or five bolt - normal socket basses (again probably because they are more rigid due to a tighter bond between the neck and body - the glues used create a molecular body that is actually stronger than the wood itself), nothing has sustain like a neck-thru model. Especially one made with a really hard wood like Rock Maple.
 
PhatBasstard said:
I know the guy. I could contact him if someone is interested. I haven't seen it posted in several days.
It's actually an NS5CRFM from about 1999 when I bought it new. Solid Maple body wings, Baby!

Yeah I remember you saying...I'm not in the market but just curious that's all. Thanks Phat!

Rickett Customs said:
Debatable, but then again a poll would shoot you a divided consensus.

I meant to say to make myself clearer...a "deep-pocket" such as my former Euro Rebop 5 , had a lot more tone sustainability than my Euro Legend 4 and almost as much but not quite as much as my 2 Euro neck-thrus, NS-2A & NS-95. :D
JPSBassist said:
I'd say that in my experience set-necks have a little more sustain and are more rigid than typical standard-bolt-ons.

But the deep pocket insert bolt-ons like the ReBop and USA Bolt-Ons... I can't tell any difference between them and set neck Legends regarding sustain.

And where I think they have a little more sustain than your average four or five bolt - normal socket basses (again probably because they are more rigid due to a tighter bond between the neck and body - the glues used create a molecular body that is actually stronger than the wood itself), nothing has sustain like a neck-thru model. Especially one made with a really hard wood like Rock Maple.

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finally got some nice pics of my new rebop after fitting her with some new knobs and a lovely strap, and restringing her EADGC. here she is, in all her glory:

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