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Double Bass Spirocore Stark- initial thoughts and encouragements

Hi all,

I thought it might be nice to share my recent experiences with what many believe to be some of the toughest strings (bridge cables) around. Spirocore Stark, whole set.

When it was time for the usual string change, I decided to not take Mittels this time, but give Stark a shot. Figuring they might be easy to sell if they don't feel right.

I put them on, well aware of all those tales of ground hamburger meat on right hand fingers, stiffness like nothing else, yadayada. I have to say, my bass felt very nice with Mittels, and I know many basses with guts or velvets or whatever that feel MUCH stiffer than my bass. Despite the somewhat normal scale of 104.5cm.

After 3 hours of practicing, I have the following observations (those are subject to change after a couple of days, I know that, but we'll see):

Pizzicato, they feel very close to Mittels to me, with maybe a tad bit more tension. Certainly not shocking, nothing to fear for anyone acquainted with Mittels, IMO. I was utterly surprised, but they play and feel like home right away, under both hands. The sound didn't have that much banjo twang as I recall Spiros can have, that was pleasant. They sounded perfectly new, beware, but not ugly in any way. Compared to Mittels, there's more finger snap-pluck sound while pizzing, that's also great. And they don't back out. No matter how much power you play into them, they respond with more sound. That's remarkable, I think. And the e-string is huge.

Arco is where they really excel, IMO. Here's a powerful string that can always hold up to "that little bit more", and especially in thumb position, they are tear-jerkingly beautiful. All over the bass, actually- lots of headroom, very articulate when played soft, super fat bottom. And if you unleash them, they get kinda super-loud without being nasty at all. Fantastic string. CAVEAT: You have to know how to bow spiros. That means, be aware of all the tiny little technique details, timing between left and right hand, bow angle, positon, etc, and get used to their load of overtones and highs. Once you've got enough control over your bowing, these Starks are what Mittels are, only more of it. It's really addictive to me.

And once again, I can only encourage the general Spiro Mittle lover to try them, they're not as tough as their reputation makes them. That seems to be very subjective and different from bass to bass, but anyway. They absolutely rock.

And they're right for you if you use FreeBSD because you think Linux is too mainstream ;) , if you know what I mean.

I'll keep expanding on this down the line- what if they suddenly crush my bass? Or if they stiffen up and can only be played by Chuck Norris?

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The used E & A showed up yesterday (from another TBer) and I put them on last night for a children's concert this morning. Good lord! The E was amazing, floor-shaking and the the A right there with it (using Flexocore G&D for the moment).

I found them very easy to bow, not bad for the left hand and an amazingly warm full sound. I've got a holiday concert tonight that's fairly long (with choir) so we'll see what happens, but so far these strings are a very pleasant surprise, and ones that seem to get the maximum mileage out of this bass.

Louis
 
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Good Lord, why didn't somebody tell me sooner! I just put on a new G&D with an older E&A (bought used here) and my goodness the bass (Giormenti carved Argentine bass) sounds phenomenal. The bass had always sounded good but had some volume issues.

Some what? I can't hear you! The floorboards are still rattling.

I did the Prelude to the Second Bach Cello Suite (using Dr Rod's trick of putting rosin right on the strings) and, seriously, I don't why people say the strings are hard to bow. Sure the G&D are tinnier right now than the older strings, but you can tell where everybody's going to be in a month or so.

I will get the action lowered a little more for these puppies, but I think this a real match on this bass - and what fun to dig in and really play old school sounding BASS!

Thanks for all your input.

Louis

PS: I had flexocore G&D on before today. Is it possible that the Starks are actually less stiff (or have less tension) than the Flex's? It certainly felt that way.
 
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Hi all,


Pizzicato, .......Compared to Mittels, there's more finger snap-pluck sound while pizzing, that's also great. And they don't back out. No matter how much power you play into them, they respond with more sound.

How are you getting on with these for jazz pizz? How do you feel after a 2 or 3 hour gig?

To be honest when you say "they don't back out" it kind of scares me. I have a tendency to suffer from "I-can't-hear-myself-therefore-I-must-pluck-harder-syndrome." And I can immagine these could be a receipe for disastor for me. Otherwise I'd love to try them. A luthier recommended I put starks on as my bass is "over-built".
 
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How are you getting on with these for jazz pizz? How do you feel after a 2 or 3 hour gig?

To be honest when you say "they don't back out" it kind of scares me. I have a tendency to suffer from "I-can't-hear-myself-therefore-I-must-pluck-harder-syndrome." And I can immagine these could be a receipe for disastor for me. Otherwise I'd love to try them. A luthier recommended I put starks on as my bass is "over-built".

Try em. They are certainly huge sounding plus if you need to repair a suspension bridge they'll work in a pinch.

I used the Stark E with the Orchestra A, D, G for a while. Sounded awesome. I like my strings pretty high though and it was sure some serious work. There was quite a bit of bleeding and ice involved.
 
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I went from Weichs to Mittels to Mittels w/Stark E to all Starks with fairly low action on my German ply, which is a sturdy old thing. They growl, but not as much as Mittels, and the extended low frequencies are addictive. You do notice the extra tension at first but it quickly becomes normal.

My first gig on them was a 45-minute set, mostly uptempo,with lots of heavy slapping. Don't do that.
 
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Wow. I'm pretty excited by some of these reactions. I'm starting to get a little bit frustrated with Zyex's sponginess and upper-register unfocused-ness so I'm thinking this might be my next step when my current set wares out.
 

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