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This evening (around 11 PM down here) I tested my brand new "Little Lehle" A/B box with my one year old MIA Jazz (with brand new D'Addario chromes) and my brand new Squier CV Precision 50's (with stock roundwounds)... and the results are quite disturbing! :eyebrow:

The Squier turns out to have a huge, fat, beautiful tone in comparison to the MIA, which has a gentle, subtle, quite, little tone. The Squier costed me a 369 EUR, and has one single vintage old fashioned single coil PU, a copy of the very first Fender bass PU. The Fender costed me 1200 EUR, and has the universally known two single coils. I play them both "full throttle", meaning all pots wide open. The Squier blows the Fender away with ease, volume- and tonewise. :confused:

Do I have to hope that the new strings on the 09 MIA Fender will settle and gain substance, and that the Squier (with a 08 serial number, so not really brand new after all, and having spent too much time in the shop resulting in rusty pickguard screws and a yellowed pickguard) will show its shortcomings in the long term (like neck warping or dying electronics or so), or are those loathed Chinese just better at producing the so-called "bang for the buck" than the Americans? :confused:

Being a bass guitar noob (started in january 2010), I just "lost my references" this evening. Any comforting advice from an experienced Fender/Squier CV owner, other than "Try to sell your Fenders, you've been had"? Yes, indeed, FendersI was so pleased with my fretted MIA Jazz, that I added a fretless in august. :confused:

Oh, and, apart from a loose jack socket, the Squier plays like a dream... Aaaaargh! :confused:

Hmmm, this could as well be the start of a new thread, but I prefer to keep my frustations within the cosy circle of Squier CV players. :smug:
 
#942
If your CVP had been the 60s version I would have said a lot of what you're hearing is just the basic difference in a P and J. Given the same amp settings a J will always sound less loud and less bassy. The P's split coil pickup is just much hotter and fatter sounding. In order to directly compare them you really have to equalize the volume -- i.e. boost the J some.

But, you're playing the 50s version P. I've never played one of those, so I don't know how those would typically sound compared to a J.

As for the Chinese giving better bang for buck than the Americans -- is Squier a Chinese company? It seems to me that Squier represents an American company using the low cost of production in China to provide good value to bass players all over the world.

As for the Chinese being "loathed", I don't know who it is you're thinking of that loathes them. Their government is loathsome in some ways, but for the most part it is quite easy to respect and appreciate the Chinese.
 
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Lambic said:
This evening (around 11 PM down here) I tested my brand new "Little Lehle" A/B box with my one year old MIA Jazz (with brand new D'Addario chromes) and my brand new Squier CV Precision 50's (with stock roundwounds)... and the results are quite disturbing! :eyebrow:

The Squier turns out to have a huge, fat, beautiful tone in comparison to the MIA, which has a gentle, subtle, quite, little tone. The Squier costed me a 369 EUR, and has one single vintage old fashioned single coil PU, a copy of the very first Fender bass PU. The Fender costed me 1200 EUR, and has the universally known two single coils. I play them both "full throttle", meaning all pots wide open. The Squier blows the Fender away with ease, volume- and tonewise. :confused:

Do I have to hope that the new strings on the 09 MIA Fender will settle and gain substance, and that the Squier (with a 08 serial number, so not really brand new after all, and having spent too much time in the shop resulting in rusty pickguard screws and a yellowed pickguard) will show its shortcomings in the long term (like neck warping or dying electronics or so), or are those loathed Chinese just better at producing the so-called "bang for the buck" than the Americans? :confused:

Being a bass guitar noob (started in january 2010), I just "lost my references" this evening. Any comforting advice from an experienced Fender/Squier CV owner, other than "Try to sell your Fenders, you've been had"? Yes, indeed, FendersI was so pleased with my fretted MIA Jazz, that I added a fretless in august. :confused:

Oh, and, apart from a loose jack socket, the Squier plays like a dream... Aaaaargh! :confused:

Hmmm, this could as well be the start of a new thread, but I prefer to keep my frustations within the cosy circle of Squier CV players. :smug:
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This sounds like a win-win situation to me. You like the CV better, and it cost you less money. Doesn't sound frustrating, sounds like you got a great bass for little money. You can always sell your MIA and buy several more CV's. :) Personally, if we had more color choices, I'd have one of each.
 
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The CV 50s P would be my #1 GAS item if it came in other colors.

I'll also mention that the Jay Turser JTB-401, which can be had for under $200 American, compares very favorably with the Squier CV 50s. Though the Squier does have better hardware, the overall feel and playability, not to mention the sound, of the Turser is quite excellent.
 
#946
Here are my sisters...I got the CV 60s a few days ago, wonderful bass, good handling, nice color and a really fat sound :hyper:
Love them both...
(pic taken with mobile phone, sorry)
 

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Lambic said:
...Hmmm, this could as well be the start of a new thread, but I prefer to keep my frustations within the cosy circle of Squier CV players. :smug:
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I do not see any reasons you have to be frustrated. Your new bass sounds great out of the box.

Basses aren't the leading edge of technology. Anyone on Earth can get the know-how, and with some practice and dedication, make working basses.

Fender owns the Squier brand, it just contracts out the manufacturing to other countries. So it is an American company. With many countries that have proven over the years to be competent at building basses for Fender and Squier: Mexico, Japan, Korea, China, India and Indonesia, its not surprising that Fender can shop around to get the best "bang for the buck" manufacturer. Are MIA Fenders better than MIC Squiers? Yup. Are they 4x better?
 
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Other than the colour which im still not 100% about im now convinced ive wasted £1000's over the past few years.
The past few gigs ive done with my CV P have been the most enjoyable (as in feeling inspired) that ive done for a long, long time.
Tone wise its now spot on. With the Thumprer pickup in im getting more growl than i use to with my previous P's, and its making up a bit for me missing my Jazz.

Its not going to be the last bass i ever buy but for now i honestly have no GAS (other than for a SBMM Ray34 CA when they appear).
 
#952
Although I thought of showing my Squier CV Precision 50's after modifying (defret mainly), a request for a pic with old and new pickguard before swapping finally turned out thus:

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where you can see the silhouette the CV sticker left in the yellowed pg. Less clearly visible are the rusty pg screws. Well, why not ask for a number then, hm?
 
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So I've come across an interesting problem here.

I bought some covers for my CV 60s P bass since mine did not come with any and the bridge cover does not fit. Look a few posts back, it seems the cover the Sonic blue ones came with were specially designed by squier to fit over the high mass bridge. The fender version will not fit correctly. I may have to flare the ends out for it to fit properly.
 
#955
Well this is the picture I saw a few pages back

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Clearly the HM bridge with a cover.

I just tried flaring out mine and while it will fit across, the cover is not deep enough. The back of the bridge plate where the strings go through is too tall. I may be modding this soon and getting rid of the HM bridge and putting a regular vintage fender bridge, but it's still something I'm debating on weather I want to go through the trouble of doing.
 
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5string5fingers said:
So I've come across an interesting problem here.

I bought some covers for my CV 60s P bass since mine did not come with any and the bridge cover does not fit. Look a few posts back, it seems the cover the Sonic blue ones came with were specially designed by squier to fit over the high mass bridge. The fender version will not fit correctly. I may have to flare the ends out for it to fit properly.
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Or swap the bridge out for a fender vintage style and use the vintage style covers. Pretty easy to do if you're handy and IMO improves the sound of the bass by making the lows a little fuller and eliminating the some of the upper mid harshness.
 
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