haha...I guess I'll live...no money and it's all rock n roll anyway!Not necessarily...there is still that issue of comb filtering in the 4-10"
Just kidding, folks, calm down! But only sort of just kidding. A 4-10" is still a favorite of mine. But the response does change when you get off axis to it.
Enjoy the benefits of a premium membership!
Upgrade Account
-
TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
Join free Log in
Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.
Stacking cabs sideways? (Dr.Bass particularly)
- Thread starter Yossarian
- Start date
billfitzmaurice
Commercial User
- Sep 15, 2004
- 16,860
- 278
- 76
- Disclosures
- Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
No, an 8x10 should be built with the eight drivers on a single vertical line. Not practical, of course, but for that matter one could use only four tens in the same size box as an 8x10 and it would work even better, since the average 8x10 (as is the case with most cabs) stuffs the drivers into a box half the volume that they require to operate as well as they might. But that's a matter to be argued about in a different thread.
As far as the low end is concerned you're probably doing more harm than good by spreading your cabs. BTW, your soundman is right, keep the bass frequencies out of the monitors, it just muddies up the works. If you need to be heard by the other players you can run the bass in the monitors but high-pass the signal at 150-200 Hz, the mids and highs are all they need to hear from the monitors. OTOH, your bass cab should always be close to the drummer.
I have been using my 2x10 vertically on the floor next to a 1x18 also on the floor. I prefer this setup to stacking. I've been running the cabs full range using EQ to tune.
any thoughts?
any thoughts?
- Dec 18, 2000
- 13,201
- 340
- Disclosures
- greenboy designs: fEARful, bassic, dually, crazy88 etc
Though I don't know the specs, that's a nice looking 118, a little more internal volume than some 118 cabs perhaps, and I presume a epoxy or poly-based touring finish.
But I myself would much prefer the 210 stacked on top of it with woofer centers directly over the 18's center.
But I myself would much prefer the 210 stacked on top of it with woofer centers directly over the 18's center.
do you mean stack the 2x10 vertically on top of the 18?
that's a thought.
the 18 is a custom built VTS (Velvet Thunder Sound) with a B&C driver. The finish is Line-x truck bed liner stuff.
billfitzmaurice
Commercial User
- Sep 15, 2004
- 16,860
- 278
- 76
- Disclosures
- Owner, Bill Fitzmaurice Loudspeaker Design
And probably better, getting the 10s up where you can hear the midrange from them rather than have it pass by below the belt. Look at a just about any 3 way hi-fi cab and the woofer is on the bottom, the mid above it, the tweeter at the top.
Bill are there negative affects from orientating the speakers in a triangle ie Berg 322 or DRB310?
What about 212 cabs with 12"s in a slight diagonal orientation ie DRB212 or Carvin BRX12...? Does it negatively affect the sound if they're not quite perfectly in line
So it looks like the GB neo212 is a good design, - the rat fur.
What about 212 cabs with 12"s in a slight diagonal orientation ie DRB212 or Carvin BRX12...? Does it negatively affect the sound if they're not quite perfectly in line
So it looks like the GB neo212 is a good design, - the rat fur.
I thought it was a proper 2 way xover. I stand corrrected.Not if the xover is just a hpf and the 18's are full range....
Better make that two smart *rses!
ps that rig is what I call commitment, my back hurts just looking at it!
That would be my preference and first inclination, but the 2x10 is about 5 inches deeper than the combo (1 ft vs 17"). I worry about stability. Should I? Also: IS there an issue with putting the 2x10 on top, specifically if the combo is well built, should not be a problem stacking something on top of the "amp" part?
AND FINALLY: not intending to do this, but was just curious: Would it be bad for a combo to put IT on its side? Like screw up the electronics or something?
thanks for the input on the dumb questions....
Nope, it's fine. I put my SWR workingman's 10 on its side all the time, because I usually put a small guitar amp on top and I want to be able to access the controls. The electronics don't care about gravity.
Asad
Not dumb at all...a stacked rig's no good if it keeps toppling over.
I don't see much of a problem judging by the picture. The 15" has a wide enough base where it should be pretty stable. Just try it and if it feels unstable, maybe you could put a small adjustable mic stand or a stick or something behind it to keep it in place. A plunger would probably work well if it has a long enough stick.
I will be using my 2 GB212T's for the first time at New Years Eve gig. I planned to just set em side by side with the GBE750 amp centered over both cabs. But this thread is very timely, I recalled this topic and was wondering if I should stack the cabs one atop the other. When I use one cab at club gigs I sorta wish I could get it up closer to my ears. My other cabs Avatars, SWR's have interlocking corners that stabilize the stack. Ive not tried to stack my 2 GB cabs before, I'll try that later today to see how they sit. If I have to, I have some adjustable tie-downs I used to hold my mountain bike upright in my truck bed. Maybe I can attach the tie-downs to the handles of the cabs to hold em steady, tho that friggin GE750 makes one helluva paper weight, 
it might just be what I need to weigh down the cab stack. I'll see how it works out, physically and tonically. If this works well I'll start taking 2 cabs to most gigs from now on.
it might just be what I need to weigh down the cab stack. I'll see how it works out, physically and tonically. If this works well I'll start taking 2 cabs to most gigs from now on.
Those GB's would be perfect stacked vertically. They're built vertically to begin with so that's half the battle, and it looks like it has the interlocking amp corners, so it should be plenty stable. Turn down the bottom tweeter to about 10%, throw the head on top, and you'll have a massive looking 4-12" rig that will sound like two 8-10" cabs behind you. You'll never set up horizontally again.
Im hoping this setup will work, def gonna use 2 cabs NYE nite and I have a gig on the 5th in a club where I have to setup with a wall on my leftside so this will let me stack the cabs and not take up alota sideways space by placing them side by side. Im hoping this improves soundwise to my ears too, these are nice small cabs but when I use the one its below my waist. If I can use 2 cabs stacked I can always turn down the volume but can now have a cab up near my ears. Mostly its been a space issue that keeps me from taking 2 cabs to most gigs, small stages and such. I'll let y'all know how it works after a couple gigs this way.
I have a feeling you'll be letting us know 5 minutes after you do it, bro. It really does make that much of a difference. The thing I like best about it is that whatever you hear onstage is what the audience hears if you turn it up loud enough for them to hear it.
