Star Trek Discovery

[Alkali Ike]

He was by a wide, wide margin the best character on the show. I don't know what they'd do with him though. It would have to be pre-Discovery since we know exactly what happens to him after the events of the show. Him as Captain of the Enterprise doing actual exploration in the years leading up to DIS would be great. But then it couldn't be about a threat to all sentient life in the universe and that's what all new Trek has to be about.

It just seems like Pike as Captain of the Enterprise would have a lot of story possibilities and it might appeal to both hardcore fans and new viewers. Well maybe they could get a couple good seasons out of it.

Oh wait, that was kind of Discovery. Never mind.

 

[JimK]

So...should I jump into this one next?

 

[Alkali Ike]

So...should I jump into this one next?

I vote Yes. The show is a fun ride.

 

[Gorn]

So...should I jump into this one next?

If you like 'splosions and extended shots of Sonequa Martin Green's face, you'll love Discovery.

 

[Alkali Ike]

So...should I jump into this one next?

Be aware that the first couple episodes of Discovery are not representative of the subsequent episodes. The show got better for me when I got past that hump.

 

[Rusty Chainsaw]

He was by a wide, wide margin the best character on the show. I don't know what they'd do with him though. It would have to be pre-Discovery since we know exactly what happens to him after the events of the show. Him as Captain of the Enterprise doing actual exploration in the years leading up to DIS would be great. But then it couldn't be about a threat to all sentient life in the universe and that's what all new Trek has to be about.

Not necessarily - it could be set after the Leland/Section 31 incident, since we don't know exactly how much time passes between then and Pike's accident, and the subsequent introduction of one J.T. Kirk as Captain. There could be years of stories still to tell.

 

[Gorn]

Not necessarily - it could be set after the Leland/Section 31 incident, since we don't know exactly how much time passes between then and Pike's accident, and the subsequent introduction of one J.T. Kirk as Captain. There could be years of stories still to tell.

Yeah but there has to be a plot involving a threat to all sentient life in the galaxy and/or universe. They could squeeze it in there though since they don't care about continuity or canon.

 

[Rusty Chainsaw]

Yeah but there has to be a plot involving a threat to all sentient life in the galaxy and/or universe. They could squeeze it in there though since they don't care about continuity or canon.

I think they've done rather a good job with canon, to be fair. They've filled in a bunch of blanks and skirted around the edges of established canon, with very little in terms of actual retconning. Yes, maybe the original Enterprise could have had holographic screens - that was explained away in one throwaway line (that Pike didn't like them). They explained away why we never heard of Discovery before, or why Spock never spoke of his adoptive human sister. Not the most satisfying explanations, but it's not like we knew the exhaustive life history of our favourite characters from watching the original shows, there were plenty of gaps that could be filled.

 

[Gorn]

I think they've done rather a good job with canon, to be fair. They've filled in a bunch of blanks and skirted around the edges of established canon, with very little in terms of actual retconning. Yes, maybe the original Enterprise could have had holographic screens - that was explained away in one throwaway line (that Pike didn't like them). They explained away why we never heard of Discovery before, or why Spock never spoke of his adoptive human sister. Not the most satisfying explanations, but it's not like we knew the exhaustive life history of our favourite characters from watching the original shows, there were plenty of gaps that could be filled.

The specifics you mentioned that get dialogued away in the last episode are a drop in the bucket. Everything was wrong from the first episode. The Klingons were wrong. The technology was wrong. So much more. It's not a show by Star Trek fans for Star Trek fans. If you the time and inclination, check out this youtube channel. He explains problems very well and with a lot of humor.
Major Grin

And the canon they disregard is mostly from the series after the original. There's plenty of canon and continuity errors that don't jive with later canon in the original, but as far as I'm concerned, the original counts less. We're talking three seasons vs a combined 25 seasons of the four other shows.

 

[Rusty Chainsaw]

The specifics you mentioned that get dialogued away in the last episode are a drop in the bucket. Everything was wrong from the first episode. The Klingons were wrong. The technology was wrong. So much more. It's not a show by Star Trek fans for Star Trek fans. If you the time and inclination, check out this youtube channel. He explains problems very well and with a lot of humor.
Major Grin

To be honest, I don't really care enough to watch someone pick out canon inconsistencies like a monkey picking fleas off himself. I enjoy the new shows for what they are, and there's been nothing that has been so contradictory of what came before that it really bothered me. Well, maybe Discovery's spore drive, but that's it.

See what Picard did with the Romulans? Saying the Romulans with the forehead ridges came from a different part of the planet than the ones without? That'll do for me in terms of explanation. We have morphological diversity here on Earth too. If the Discovery Klingons are from a different part of Qo'nos than the more human-looking Klingons we've seen before, that's fine by me too. Just because there's been no canon explanation before doesn't mean there can't be one now.

 

[Gorn]

To be honest, I don't really care enough to watch someone pick out canon inconsistencies like a monkey picking fleas off himself. I enjoy the new shows for what they are, and there's been nothing that has been so contradictory of what came before that it really bothered me. Well, maybe Discovery's spore drive, but that's it.

And I don't begrudge anyone from enjoying it on that level. I'm not saying you're not a fan. That's ridiculous. Clearly you are. But there are fans like you and there are fans like me that will nitpick and are less forgiving. I care enough to be annoyed by their lack of caring.

See what Picard did with the Romulans? Saying the Romulans with the forehead ridges came from a different part of the planet than the ones without? That'll do for me in terms of explanation. We have morphological diversity here on Earth too.

That didn't bother me.

If the Discovery Klingons are from a different part of Qo'nos than the more human-looking Klingons we've seen before, that's fine by me too. Just because there's been no canon explanation before doesn't mean there can't be one now.

A lot is wrong with the discovery Klingons. From them suddenly caring about their dead so much they adorn their ships with them, to shaving their heads in times of war which is just completely made up and not in line with previous canon, to L'rell holding the Klingon empire hostage with a bomb till they made her Chancellor. As far as human looking Klingons, that was explained in Enterprise. They're not from a different part of the planet, they're the result of eugenics gone wrong.

 

[Rusty Chainsaw]

A lot is wrong with the discovery Klingons. From them suddenly caring about their dead so much they adorn their ships with them, to shaving their heads in times of war which is just completely made up and not in line with previous canon, to L'rell holding the Klingon empire hostage with a bomb till they made her Chancellor. As far as human looking Klingons, that was explained in Enterprise. They're not from a different part of the planet, they're the result of eugenics gone wrong.

No, I know that (series 4 of Enterprise was surprisingly excellent, apart from the final episode) - should have explained it better, but what I'm getting at is that even Worf and other TNG-era Klingons look more human than Discovery's versions, with their four nostrils, weird ears and so on. But I'm willing to accept that this could be a different faction of Klingons, from elsewhere on Qo'nos, or possibly one of the other planets of the Klingon Empire or something. I'd be happy with that explanation. It would also tally up with why they have different customs and different-looking ships to what we'd seen before.

 

[Gorn]

No, I know that (series 4 of Enterprise was surprisingly excellent, apart from the final episode) - should have explained it better, but what I'm getting at is that even Worf and other TNG-era Klingons look more human than Discovery's versions, with their four nostrils, weird ears and so on. But I'm willing to accept that this could be a different faction of Klingons, from elsewhere on Qo'nos, or possibly one of the other planets of the Klingon Empire or something. I'd be happy with that explanation. It would also tally up with why they have different customs and different-looking ships to what we'd seen before.

Yeah, but they didn't explain that and didn't try to. They pretty much stole the general look from JJ Trek and made it more dumb with extra nostrils and penises, although the truth is that Klingons having redundant organs is established in canon. Extra hearts and lungs. Someone on staff must've seen that episode. The only in-canon physiologically different Klingons are those affected by the augment virus. Worf and Klingons like L'rell are the same kind of Klingon.

 

[Rusty Chainsaw]

Yeah, but they didn't explain that and didn't try to. They pretty much stole the general look from JJ Trek and made it more dumb with extra nostrils and penises, although the truth is that Klingons having redundant organs is established in canon. Extra hearts and lungs. Someone on staff must've seen that episode. The only in-canon physiologically different Klingons are those affected by the augment virus. Worf and Klingons like L'rell are the same kind of Klingon.

Just because they didn't explain it doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't an explanation to be made. Maybe they just chose not to, or deemed it unnecessary. In my headcanon, at least, there are now a group of Klingons who we hadn't met before who look somewhat different and more alien than the ones we have met. They just happened to be the ones who were leading the Empire at that particular time. And I'm alright with that.

I doubt, when we inevitably catch up with Worf in the next season of Picard, that he'll look like L'Rell, complete with extra nostrils. He'll look like Worf, but probably greyer.

 

[Gorn]

Just because they didn't explain it doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't an explanation to be made. Maybe they just chose not to, or deemed it unnecessary. In my headcanon, at least, there are now a group of Klingons who we hadn't met before who look somewhat different and more alien than the ones we have met. They just happened to be the ones who were leading the Empire at that particular time. And I'm alright with that.

I doubt, when we inevitably catch up with Worf in the next season of Picard, that he'll look like L'Rell, complete with extra nostrils. He'll look like Worf, but probably greyer.

Yah I can't watch like that. I meet them where they are and accept what they give me. I have to accept that there was a spore drive that could've brought Voyager home in seconds. I have to accept that Jean Luc Picard is an Android now. I don't like it but it's all canon now. Another example of how we're different kinds of fans. And who's better off? Me, who's mad about it or you who enjoys it and looks forward to more?

 

[Alkali Ike]

It just seems like Pike as Captain of the Enterprise would have a lot of story possibilities and it might appeal to both hardcore fans and new viewers. Well maybe they could get a couple good seasons out of it.

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'Star Trek' Pike and Spock Series Set at CBS All Access

CBS All Access is firing up the USS Enterprise.

The streamer has handed out a straight-to-series order for Star Trek: Discovery spinoff Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. The drama will see Anson Mount, Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijn reprise their respective Discovery roles as Capt. Christopher Pike, Spock and Number One as the series explores the years the former manned the helm of the Enterprise. The show follows the trio in the decade before Capt. Kirk boarded the Enterprise as they explore new worlds around the galaxy.

 

[Gorn]

There are only a couple of original series episodes with Pike to draw from. He has more established character traits in Discovery than he does in TOS. According to what is now canon, he knows he's gonna end up in a space wheelchair in a few years. I wonder if he'll dwell on that.

 

[Alkali Ike]

There are only a couple of original series episodes with Pike to draw from. He has more established character traits in Discovery than he does in TOS. According to what is now canon, he knows he's gonna end up in a space wheelchair in a few years. I wonder if he'll dwell on that.

Help me out here. Pike in the Discovery timeline knows his eventual fate. If ST:SNW takes place *before* Discovery, how would he know that?

 

[Gorn]

Help me out here. Pike in the Discovery timeline knows his eventual fate. If ST:SNW takes place *before* Discovery, how would he know that?

It sounds to me the show will take place in between the events of Discovery and the original series. When Michael Burnham goes into the future, for no good reason, and Pike and Spock and number 1 are back on the Enterprise, it's still years before TOS. Otherwise, if it's Pike, Spock and number one on the Enterprise before Discovery, that means it could only ever lead up to Spock going crazy and growing a beard. But this way they can eventually butcher, I mean feature Kirk on the show.

 

[Alkali Ike]

New 'Star Trek' Featuring Spock and Pike Will Be 'More Episodic' – Variety

CBS revealed Friday that it had given a series order to "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds," a new show that will take place on the starship Enterprise in the years prior to James T. Kirk coming aboard as captain. The new show is set, like other recent "Star Trek" spinoffs, to stream on CBS All Access.

But it will, according to co-creator and executive producer Akiva Goldsman, hew more closely to the original Kirk-era "Star Trek" in structure and tone than those other recent additions to the franchise have.

"We're going to try to harken back to some classical 'Trek' values, to be optimistic, and to be more episodic," Goldsman tell Variety. "Obviously, we will take advantage of the serialized nature of character and story building. But I think our plots will be more closed-ended than you've seen in either 'Discovery' or 'Picard.'"