Steinberger Club

[Tjluke]

Congratulations, a beauty. You will enjoy it

Thank you Bernd, the more I play the more I love it!
Also the manager of the store where I bought the bass (a friend of mine who is also a bass player) was so positively impressed about this bass that he will order the USA made...

For some reason I know that there will be a complete manual for that bass, too. Should be available very soon, I'll let you know then.

Ok let me know thanks, to me NS should provide a complete manual and not the single page of "instructions" I've found inside the gig bag...

 

[Be_eM]

X Bernd: do you know what they are good for?

No, I don't. When controls are hidden this way, they aren't meant to be adjusted by the average user. And once it's in the instructions, everyone thinks he should turn and switch a little bit
I know similar controls from the piezo boards in my guitars, and once set correctly, you usually don't touch them any more. And the Radius bass comes correctly adjusted.

I think I might be able to find out, though…

Bernd

 

[Tjluke]

No, I don't. When controls are hidden this way, they aren't meant to be adjusted by the average user. And once it's in the instructions, everyone thinks he should turn and switch a little bit
I know similar controls from the piezo boards in my guitars, and once set correctly, you usually don't touch them any more. And the Radius bass comes correctly adjusted.

I understand your point of view, anyway most of the time these trim and switches are meant to make fine settings (boost output level, setting frequencies for the active tone etc.) on the tone of the instruments according to the "needs" of the owner of the instrument.
I agree with you that, once correctly adjusted, these internal controls do not have to be touched any more, but the instrument must be setted according to my personal needs/taste.
Usually builders have no problem to provide all informations about that, see for example Wal and Ken Smith, if NS think different no problem: I will find out by my self.

 

[Be_eM]

I understand your point of view, anyway most of the time these trim and switches are meant to make fine settings (boost output level, setting frequencies for the active tone etc.) on the tone of the instruments according to the "needs" of the owner of the instrument.

This is the same kind of potential trouble as with tuning your car or PC. Some people can't live without that kind of customization, however, only a few are qualified to do so. Why do you think there are so many threads like "which pot/switch/cap should I use for [whatever]"? The majority does NOT know how to correctly service guitar electronics, even more active guitar electronics.

Instructions are written for regular use by the average and/or inexperienced user, not for adjustments only qualified technicians should do (which, of course, some of the owners might be). Such adjustments MAY lead to malfunctions.

I will find out by my self.

Those who have the necessary experience and knowledge will do. And those without it shouldn't be led into temptation

Bernd

 

[HomesickBob]

Tj, what's to expect over NS' standard settings? Guess there isn't much useful to find on sounds.
In general the Steinies are quite broadbanded and cover the average needs by far.
The non-average is the Steinie itself!

Ok, i must admit my lack of knowledge on the Radius, but it won't be so far from NS' basics...

 

[Rozeg]

Miniature replicas of XQ5 and XL5W. Made by a Russian luthier for a Steinie fan.
28 cm (11") long

 

[Rozeg]

At first, the luthier was really confused by the variety of differences between the older models and the latest "wide" models. He went through a week long trial and error process.

His first bridges were made after a 4-string model (different saddles, string retainers and bridge angle):

Same about the first headpiece (made after some later model) and the pivot plate (bent a bit too much)

The reason is that he only used internet pics as his reference and there's not much pics or information on those XQ5 and XL5W in the internet.

But after getting proper pics of the real things he managed to fix most of those little details. The end result is amazing
He also would normally use thicker strings for basses, but due to lack of headless experience he decided to use thinner strings this time.
Want more pics?
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[HomesickBob]

Holy roller coaster, how beautiful and accurate they are.
It's not that i urgently want one... i want them all!!!

 

[HomesickBob]

Now look at that...Congratz Rozag, i'm amazed!

 

[Rozeg]

Holy roller coaster, how beautiful and accurate they are.
It's not that i urgently want one... i want them all!!!

I believe the luthier would be happy to make more of these beauties but I don't know how legitimate it would be for him to sell them. He's NO expert on international trademark laws or Steinie headpiece shape protection - and he doesn't want any problems with that. And unfortunately, he doesn't even speak English
All I could do for you here is to give you his contacts. Please PM me if you're interested

 

[Be_eM]

But after getting proper pics of the real things he managed to fix most of those little details. The end result is amazing

That guy is fantastic. Here's something that would be on my personal wish list:

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This is one of my guitars matching that model:

Bernd

 

[Rozeg]

That guy is fantastic. Here's something that would be on my personal wish list:

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That is another luthier, from the Ukraine, he should be able to accept group orders. That blue Steinie is just a bit less detailed, but it's SMALLER - that counts

 

[Be_eM]

I believe the luthier would be happy to make more of these beauties but I don't know how legitimate it would be for him to sell them. He's NO expert on international trademark laws or Steinie headpiece shape protection - and he doesn't want any problems with that.

There shouldn't be any problems when making tiny toy models. The basic shapes aren't protected, and he doesn't build functional instruments labeled "Steinberger".

And unfortunately, he doesn't even speak English
All I could do for you here is to give you his contacts. Please PM me if you're interested

This, however, is a problem. I wouldn't know what to do with his contact details, as I don't speak Russian. Looks like you might get a job…

Bernd

 

[HomesickBob]

I believe the luthier would be happy to make more of these beauties but I don't know how legitimate it would be for him to sell them. He's NO expert on international trademark laws or Steinie headpiece shape protection - and he doesn't want any problems with that. And unfortunately, he doesn't even speak English
All I could do for you here is to give you his contacts. Please PM me if you're interested

Dunno if there's any trouble to expect, the body shape and config does differ from the Spirit XT25 to the XL25W, and for the headpiece itself, guess Gibson will not sue this... that would be too ridiculous!

That guy is fantastic. Here's something that would be on my personal wish list:

Hey guys, you really surprise me... i always thought to be the king of the maniacs, now i'll take the honorable 3rd rank!

 

[Be_eM]

That is another luthier, from the Ukraine, he should be able to accept group orders. That blue Steinie is just a bit less detailed, but it's SMALLER - that counts

OK, I didn't know that. You seem to know all the details about them?

 

[Rozeg]

There shouldn't be any problems when making tiny toy models. The basic shapes aren't protected, and he doesn't build functional instruments labeled "Steinberger".
Bernd

The headstock shape should be protected, at least in the States. And there should be some reason why most replicas sold in the States are "officially licensed by" Fender and the like. Gibson is also known for actively protecting their instruments.

This, however, is a problem. I wouldn't know what to do with his contact details, as I don't speak Russian. Looks like you might get a job…

Drop me a PM, mate

 

[Be_eM]

The headstock shape should be protected, at least in the states. And there should be some reason why most replicas sold in the States are "officially licensed by" Fender and the like. Gibson is also known for actively protecting their instruments.

Uh… there is no headstock. You can't protect the LACK of something. All the new Carvin HH models are NOT licensed by Steinberger, JCustoms headpieces are not, and neither are Strandberg and other luthier's headless guitars. I'd think Fender and Gibson headstocks are a different thing.

Bernd

 

[Rozeg]

OK, I didn't know that. You seem to know all the details about them?

I've seen (and even posted about) that blue replica somewhere before. That Ukrainian luthier uses a social network called vk.com (alternative of Facebook primarily used by Russian speakers). He has a page there with information, pricing, pics etc (all in Russian): [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
The Russian luthier has one too: vk.com/club13879885

It is possible to set the vk.com's interface to English or any other language. But the luthiers might not use English at all on their pages.

 

[Tjluke]

Tj, what's to expect over NS' standard settings? Guess there isn't much useful to find on sounds.
In general the Steinies are quite broadbanded and cover the average needs by far.
The non-average is the Steinie itself!

Ok, i must admit my lack of knowledge on the Radius, but it won't be so far from NS' basics...

It is very simple: if the builder, NS in my case, installed an electronics that offer some kind of customization, why do not try different settings?

That's all...

 

[Tjluke]

Those who have the necessary experience and knowledge will do. And those without it shouldn't be led into temptation Bernd

I agree