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Steve Bailey speaks on Warwick/Fender..

At the fall of day, business and art are not always a comfortable fit...and perhaps they should never be.

Why anyone would try to force an artist to remain within their subjectively narrow perceptions, inhibiting the growth of those they claim to admire so that their preconceptions can remain undisturbed is beyond my powers of understanding - but it's all in the head and hands, so the brand name really doesn't matter, IMO.

Do what is right for yourself and leave the self-styled critics to their quibbling. Thanks for sharing this information, Steve - I look forward to trying this new Warwick when it becomes available.
 
Today is April the 9th, 2011. On Wednesday the 6th it was announced that I have signed with Warwick Basses and have a signature instrument. I am writing this because my website email has been deluged with all sorts of emails…. Some with the words “traitor”, “whore” (as in gear), and “finally”… and all sorts of stuff in between.
Rather than responding individually I have opted to make a statement, of sorts.
For some this may be educational, and for others it may not even matter, as many of us will only believe that which we want.

After many years with ARIA, and with a signature bass there, the US distributor was disintegrating, and the time came to change ( after 10 years).
Fender had always left the door open from way back (think Rippingtons, late 80’s) when I played the Heartfield 6 string, which was a wonderful instrument that, for reasons I still don’t understand, was simply dropped. It was made in Japan by wonderful people and very finely crafted.
I subsequently went with Aria who incorporated many of the design dimensions etc.. into the ARIA AVB SB.

Around 2004 I started talking with Fender again about introducing an historic instrument; A 6 string bass (not a 6 string “bass guitar” as they had in the 60’s).
This began a LONG process spanning over 4 years of design, stalls, more design, and more stalls, for whatever reason.
I could not have been prouder (until recently) on the day that bass was launched at NAMM 2009. ( I also got to jam with my old bandmateT Lavitz, RIP, on the Fender stage) I was so excited about what many called a momentous day for Fender, the company who “invented” the electric bass, was finally releasing something that it should have done years earlier (as an innovative company) and I was chosen to help bring it to market.
Many wonderful folks at Fender helped make this happen, and regardless of how long it took, I considered it all “worth it”. As you probably know Fender is the largest guitar company in the world, and as do most large corporations, they move slowly, deliberately, and often in ways that do not make sense to even the endorsing artists. (and employees).
Mind you, when I was with Fender back in the late 80’s I knew the president of company (hung out at trade shows, and even jammed), and dealt with ONE artist relations person. Things have changed a lot!! In my recent 6 year relationship with Fender never had any communication with the “suits”; never a “welcome aboard” from the Pres…Or a “goodbye”... Or anything. Which is cool, but leads me to my next point.. coming up in a second. There still are MANY wonderful folks at Fender, and their tireless efforts were what brought the Steve Bailey Jazz Bass VI bass to life. Here I will single out Jay Piccarillo, Tony Franklin, Michael Braun, and Richard McDonald… all stellar folks, and all dedicated to making things good for me at Fender.
Despite that, there was never much or any promotion for the bass, never an ad, which is OK too… I just thought the instrument was much more important for Fender that it ultimately was for me. Legendary company steps up and creates a “first”. . that kind of thing. I was very disappointed that the marketing folks never pushed for revues, promotions, etc…
And FINALLY.. to the point that I think may be of the educational variety.
Life is about relationships. The older I get the more important this becomes. Fender has such a HUGE group of Artists (and most much more high profile than me), that even with 10-20 artist relations folks, there were times that I wondered if anyone was “there”. But heck, I don’t answer every email and phone call that I get, either.

Back to relationships… I met the Warwick folks way back in 93, and got a streamer fretted and fretless because a genuinely liked the way they played.. no endorsement.. no strings attached. They also made me a 12 string (6x2) bass to use with Jethro Tull… no strings attached.
Much later I got to know Hans Peter Wilfer, the president of the company. He always treated me wonderfully at Trade Shows, made sure that I had strings for my 12 string, and stayed in email contact, not asking about “what bass I play”, but things like “how are you?” , “ I hope life is good”!.. things like that.
Later than that I started to notice how Warwick treats its artists… to hear about it from them, and see it up close and personal. It seemed to all start from the top, with Mr Wilfer (HP to many) always there, always motivated, and always excited with a strong passion for what he and his company is doing.

In some ways I sort of felt like Dianna must have felt after marrying Prince Charles. Fender is the “royal family” in a sense, (although I am not as cute as DI…) but as we later discovered the marriage was not as wonderful as it seemed in the press.. but it was functional, as they produced kids ☺

I have all the Basses and Amps that I will ever need in 5 lifetimes….. I do not “need” to be associated with a company.
1. It is obvious that Fender has the capacity to sell 100 times as many SB basses as Warwick.
2. The Fender SB VI is/was a wonderful instrument, with years of effort put into the design.. I STILL LOVE the bass, and always will.

BUT, when over 6 months ago I made up my mind to not renew my Fender Signature Contract I was not even sure that I would settle with another company.

Endorsements are interesting in that when we are young all we want is some free/reduced cost gear, maybe some exposure through an ad..
Then, if we progress in our career, the possibility of a Signature (usually royalty producing) is very enticing. Alot of work goes with that.
Then, when we have "enough", it really comes back to relationships. Do I dig the company? Do they dig me? Do they listen to my ideas, Do I listen to theirs?
At any level and endorsement has to be a Two Way Street. What can I do for them, and what can they do for me? Can we help each other be successful? Sounds kinda like a marriage, huh?

It was also mentioned in another thread about my having a "non exclusive" deal. Not So. I am either all in or all out, ESPECIALLY when we are talking about a Signature model. I have to believe that the product is "BEST for ME"... notice I don't say "the best". That insults a lot of great people/companies. Needs change, as do situations.. so I would even amend that to "Best for Me at this point in my journey".
(Also, since I am on a roll, someone sent me a thread from TB (years ago, I think) where it was stated that I was given a Lakland bass and then sold it on Ebay. I just want to say that I have never been given a Lakland bass (wonderful instruments) and I have never sold anything on Ebay, much less a bass!!)
I will only say this..
1. Warwick did in a few days what took Fender years to bring to market.
2. I am ending a trade show in Frankfurt where ALL of the Warwick artists are treated like royalty.


I apologize for being so longwinded… but I even get tired of seeing Artists jump from company to company. It is not good for the company or the artist.
I was a little reluctant to bring this bass out here in Frankfurt, and if they had not done such an Amazing Job incorporating my previous designs (and some cool new ideas) into the Warwick template (and reviving my beloved BassLines pickups) you CERTAINLY WOULD NOT be reading about the release of the bass.

Bottom line..
Fender is a great “big company”
Warwick is a great “family company”

I am not asking for your blessings or curses… just letting you know that I do care about my reputation enough to offer you some explanation.
I reserve the right to amend this as things come to mind, but just wanted to get it out there ASAP. Steve Bailey

just when I've ordered a Fender SB Jazz 6, now this! I hope you're still getting royalties...! My new bass should be here anytime.

Are they doing -

A) A fretted model, and
B) Left handed versions of all of the above (for Cole)

Thanks, man, and congrats once again. The new bass looks very cool, and I'm sure you won't miss the single coil noise that your new Basslines probably DON'T have.

Cheers,
Cameron
 
Bottom line..
Fender is a great “big company”
Warwick is a great “family company”

Would you care to comment on this then Steve?

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I know personally of two former Warwick colleagues who told me of the ridiculousness that is the working practices at Warwick. Both told me of forced 11 hour work days and physical abuse from middle management. This was a fairly big issue on the German speaking instrument forums a fair while back. Warwick never denied the issues either.

Sorry for pointing it out, but the whole "Family" perception of Warwick somewhat irks me.

Bundespräsident: Horst Köhler und die Ausbeuter - Politik | STERN.DE

=> stern.de: Horst Köhler besucht Skandalbetrieb - IG Metall wirft Gitarrenbauer Warwick ''Sklavenarbeit'' vor <=

Do you consider these things to be a thing of the past?

Today is April the 9th, 2011. On Wednesday the 6th it was announced that I have signed with Warwick Basses and have a signature instrument. I am writing this because my website email has been deluged with all sorts of emails&#8230;. Some with the words &#8220;traitor&#8221;, &#8220;whore&#8221; (as in gear), and &#8220;finally&#8221;&#8230; and all sorts of stuff in between.

Dont listen to those people, I can see why some of them might be irked after a small minority bought a very expensive Fender 6 String signature of they're hero, only for him to jump ship to Warwick. However it is your life and if you want to play Warwick, then that is your decision. Frankly I was surprised when you signed for Fender in the first place. I agree I never saw one advertisement to promote the model. I think Fender wanted to be seen as a "progressive" manufacturer, but never followed up on making other (Cheaper) 6 string models.
 
Great post, Steve! Thank you for sharing this information with us. I'm glad that you found the best bass for you, which is what I believe is everyone's goal (for me, it's my Ken Smith).


A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
 
Wow, politics on talkbass. I LOVE it. :rollno: For those who can't read German, he is accusing Warwick of "slave labor" - my guess is their "slaves" are better compensated for their labor than most American workers, let alone, say, guitar manufacturing employees in Mexico :hiding:

Steve shared his personal experiences in detail and people are STILL attacking him for endorsing a brand that worked with him and made him feel valued.

Would you care to comment on this then Steve?

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I know personally of two former Warwick colleagues who told me of the ridiculousness that is the working practices at Warwick. Both told me of forced 11 hour work days and physical abuse from middle management. This was a fairly big issue on the German speaking instrument forums a fair while back. Warwick never denied the issues either.

Sorry for pointing it out, but the whole "Family" perception of Warwick somewhat irks me.

Bundespräsident: Horst Köhler und die Ausbeuter - Politik | STERN.DE

=> stern.de: Horst Köhler besucht Skandalbetrieb - IG Metall wirft Gitarrenbauer Warwick ''Sklavenarbeit'' vor <=

Do you consider these things to be a thing of the past?



Dont listen to those people, I can see why some of them might be irked after a small minority bought a very expensive Fender 6 String signature of they're hero, only for him to jump ship to Warwick. However it is your life and if you want to play Warwick, then that is your decision. Frankly I was surprised when you signed for Fender in the first place. I agree I never saw one advertisement to promote the model. I think Fender wanted to be seen as a "progressive" manufacturer, but never followed up on making other (Cheaper) 6 string models.
 
Wow, politics on talkbass. I LOVE it. :rollno: For those who can't read German, he is accusing Warwick of "slave labor" - my guess is their "slaves" are better compensated for their labor than most American workers, let alone, say, Fender employees in Mexico :hiding:

Steve shared his personal experiences in detail and people are STILL attacking him for endorsing a brand that worked with him and made him feel valued.

I havent attacked him at all, I am just asking if had heard anything through the grapevine on the matter and if he has any comment to make. Steve can endorse anyone he likes.

I am sure most major manufacturers have poor working practice in some countries they operate in. Its just that Germany is seen as a cultured western country, yet allows stuff like this to happen.

Steve must understand that as an endorser, he represents a company and the company represents him. Personally I wouldnt want to be endorsed by a company that potentially has a bad employee abuse track record, as it looks bad on ME.

As a side note, the persons who complained in the articles are different people to the ones I have talked to. So it is not just an isolated incident.
 
Connecting him with ACCUSATIONS of slave labor isn't an attack?

Its not a personal attack, its something a company that he now endorses has been accused of doing in the past. I am merely asking for his opinion on the companys working practices from HIS position.

When an average TB member bought something from a chinese manufacturer well known for work practices bordering on Slave labour, a slew of "comments" or "attacks" as you put it, Occur, because those people bought from that company.

Steve is an average TB member who just happens to be a large public figure in the bass community, of course he is going to get questions like this. He is not lord god.
 
no, it was a backhanded personal attack. you said it irks you that he said it was a family company. i'm sure some employees didn't like leo fender, either. hell, i was yelled at by middle management at ups when i was there, too...who doesn't get yelled at by middle management?
 
no, it was a backhanded personal attack. you said it irks you that he said it was a family company. i'm sure some employees didn't like leo fender, either. hell, i was yelled at by middle management at ups when i was there, too...who doesn't get yelled at by middle management?

Being yelled at by middle management in the average company is not comparable to the UK sales manager for Warwick alledgedly being forced to quit after being physically attacked repeatedly by his direct manager. Who I might add got off scott free and still works for Warwick to this day. (Upper management apparantly were aware of this and still didnt stop it.)

Many TBers have been "questioned" about buying basses from certain manufacturers and then had to defend their decision. And no one accuses the person that "questioned" in the first place of making a personal attack.

Steve is to a greater extent then any other Warwick owner, Representative of Warwick, so asking for an opinion on such things is valid.
 
Being yelled at by middle management in the average company is not comparable to the UK sales manager for Warwick alledgedly being forced to quit after being physically attacked repeatedly by his direct manager. Who got off scott free and still works for Warwick to this day.

Many TBers have been "questioned" about buying basses from certain manufacturers and then had to defend their decision. And no one accuses the person that "questioned" in the first place of making a personal attack.

Steve is to a greater extent then any other Warwick owner, Representative of Warwick, so asking for an opinion on such things is valid.

What you refer to is an accusation - neither you, nor any of us know if this accusation is true, and an investigation (with no published conclusion) certainly doesn't prove that the accusation was true. I'm not claiming to know anything about Warwick's business practices or employee relations, but from what I can tell (and yes, I am fluent in German) no claims have been proven and no official action has been taken.

I don't read NBD: SX threads, but I HAVE read the TB rules, and political discussion is definitively OFF LIMITS
 
What you refer to is an accusation - neither you, nor any of us know if this accusation is true, and an investigation (with no published conclusion) certainly doesn't prove that the accusation was true. I'm not claiming to know anything about Warwick's business practices or employee relations, but from what I can tell (and yes, I am fluent in German) no claims have been proven and no official action has been taken.

I don't read NBD: SX threads, but I HAVE read the TB rules, and political discussion is definitively OFF LIMITS

What I can also say is that Warwick never stated that the accusations were untrue. As a large company it would have been in their greater interest to defend their position. But didnt. Hence why I am asking Steve who endorses their products, his opinion on Warwick in this respect.

This is not "Talkbass politics". Conversations of this particular nature have occured and not been stopped by the moderators. This thread should not be closed just because the thread was started by a famous bass player.

Either way I have pmed the appropriate moderators asking for their views on the thread and if any action needs to be taken.
 
What I can also say is that Warwick never stated that the accusations were untrue. As a large company it would have been in their greater interest to defend their position. But didnt.

This is not "Talkbass politics". Conversations of this particular nature have occured and not been stopped by the moderators. This thread should not be closed just because the thread was started by a famous bass player.

1) Wow, you sure have an axe to grind. That proves nothing and is the worst kind of poor logic.

2) Steve has apparently got a bunch of grief from petty fans about his decision, and after earnestly posting about his decision here even though his detractors don't deserve an explanation, and you rang in to tastelessly hate on him. TB is supposed to be classier than that.

3) Has anybody seen this bass? It looks great and has a custom asymmetrical neck shape!
 
1) Wow, you sure have an axe to grind. That proves nothing and is the worst kind of poor logic.

2) Steve has apparently got a bunch of grief from petty fans about his decision, and after earnestly posting about his decision here even though his detractors don't deserve an explanation, and you rang in to tastelessly hate on him. TB is supposed to be classier than that.

3) Has anybody seen this bass? It looks great and has a custom asymmetrical neck shape!

Steve has opened a dialogue with the bass playing community because he started a thread. So he is to expect replies and questions. He states Warwick as a family company, so he must know something about the working practices of Warwick if he makes a comment like that.

I have asked him if he knows anything about past issues within the Warwick company and what his opinion is. I have no axe to grind, however people are so far having a go at me, when asking a valid question. I personally would love to buy Warwick, but from an ethical and moral point of view from what ex employees who are personal acquaintances have said, I couldn&#8217;t buy Warwick if these working practices are in place.

Asking Warwick this question directly would get no answer or a blanket "No", asking someone who knows Warwick intimately but does not "work" for them in a traditional sense, could get a more solid answer.