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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Any amazing drum tuning vids out there? And is it worth doing on the thin crappy factory heads?

If you're just learning to drum, don't worry about the heads. When you've got the basics down and then you're starting to be concerned about good tone, get better heads. Factory supplied drum heads are mostly garbage, even on good kits. If you look up the freedrumlessons.com videos on youtube there's probably a few pretty good straight forward videos on setup and tuning. I was taught to tune to the resonance of the shell, which is kind of difficult but sounds great. Little tips though, lubricate the lugs (WD40 or some non stick silicone spray works well), check the bearing edge of the shell with your fingertip to make sure there are no burrs or rough spots (lightly sand with high grit sandpaper if so, very carefully, just to smooth it) and hit the bearing edge with some hard wax or a bar of soap in a pinch. Always tune up to a note and not down, similar to strings, you want to maintain tension on the lug.
 
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Which model Musician is it? I see one with sliders, a bass one(maybe they are all bass, I have no clue), etc.

Its the Musician 400 series. Mostly for guitar but also works with bass. There is also a Bass 400 Series. That's what I am lookin for next.

Scored mine for $35. Needed new handle and a couple corners. I already had those laying around. The footswtich costed more than the amp itself. $40. lol

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Is it worth tuning a guitar with crappy strings?

No idea on the video thing, the Drum Dial is awesome. http://www.drumdial.com/

True on the tuning, I guess I don't really get drum tuning I know occasionally people do it to a pitch, but otherwise it's a taste thing yea?

I think part of the issue is the amount of overtones and resonance, I guess that would probably help cut through a dense mix, but I'm looking for a warm short tone. Perhaps I need some holiday window stickies, .25 cent Slappy hands or moon gel.
 
If you're just learning to drum, don't worry about the heads. When you've got the basics down and then you're starting to be concerned about good tone, get better heads. Factory supplied drum heads are mostly garbage, even on good kits. If you look up the freedrumlessons.com videos on youtube there's probably a few pretty good straight forward videos on setup and tuning. I was taught to tune to the resonance of the shell, which is kind of difficult but sounds great. Little tips though, lubricate the lugs (WD40 or some non stick silicone spray works well), check the bearing edge of the shell with your fingertip to make sure there are no burrs or rough spots (lightly sand with high grit sandpaper if so, very carefully, just to smooth it) and hit the bearing edge with some hard wax or a bar of soap in a pinch. Always tune up to a note and not down, similar to strings, you want to maintain tension on the lug.

Yea I'm not spending a dime on them outside of maybe the stickies, until I make progress. I'd forgotten about that youtube channel, I watched it some before like 6 years ago.

The insides aren't treated, and I read in a review of my swingstars they used to be in the 80's and it wouldn't hurt to ring oil the inside of the shells for weather warp protection etc. so maybe I'll do a simple tuning for now then in a month or two break the set down and give them a spa day.

I'll read about the drum dial, and that resonance tuning sounds interesting, not that I know what other kinds of tuning there are. Any links or tips on that?

Its the Musician 400 series. Mostly for guitar but also works with bass. There is also a Bass 400 Series. That's what I am lookin for next.

Scored mine for $35. Needed new handle and a couple corners. I already had those laying around. The footswtich costed more than the amp itself. $40. lol

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That's what I just got, totally did not score at $170, but It came with everything in place, foot switch and a cover. Glad you dig it on guitar, and "works on bass" that's why I bought it.
 
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Yea I'm not spending a dime on them outside of maybe the stickies, until I make progress. I'd forgotten about that youtube channel, I watched it some before like 6 years ago.

The insides aren't treated, and I read in a review of my swingstars they used to be in the 80's and it wouldn't hurt to ring oil the inside of the shells for weather warp protection etc. so maybe I'll do a simple tuning for now then in a month or two break the set down and give them a spa day.

I'll read about the drum dial, and that resonance tuning sounds interesting, not that I know what other kinds of tuning there are. Any links or tips on that?

I never learned it from any videos, just from my old drum teacher. It's just something you have to do by ear, when the head is tuned to the resonant frequency of the shell it's really obvious, it just goes BOOM. It's not always the best way to tune though, it's subjective. There are a lot of various opinions about drum tuning. Particularly about how you should tune the res heads as compared to the beater heads, it's all a matter of taste though.
 
Its the Musician 400 series. Mostly for guitar but also works with bass. There is also a Bass 400 Series. That's what I am lookin for next.

Scored mine for $35. Needed new handle and a couple corners. I already had those laying around. The footswtich costed more than the amp itself. $40. lol

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Thanks, got a hankerin' for some old school SS grind lately.
 
I did all sorts of muting when I was playing drums, but eventually came around to wide-open toms. Sounds loud and too resonant on its own, but in the band mix that was the only way I could really get them to cut through.

I've had to deal with a lot of drummers and drum kits through recording and I only ever dampen drums when something about them sounds BAD. Some people want that very dry, short decay effect though and that's fine. Most of time I've dampened heads it's been because there was some resonance or buzz or something that just didn't sound right and was really obvious on the recording. I really try to use a light touch with that though, particularly on snare.
 
I never learned it from any videos, just from my old drum teacher. It's just something you have to do by ear, when the head is tuned to the resonant frequency of the shell it's really obvious, it just goes BOOM. It's not always the best way to tune though, it's subjective. There are a lot of various opinions about drum tuning. Particularly about how you should tune the res heads as compared to the beater heads, it's all a matter of taste though.

I want BOOM!

I've had to deal with a lot of drummers and drum kits through recording and I only ever dampen drums when something about them sounds BAD. Some people want that very dry, short decay effect though and that's fine. Most of time I've dampened heads it's been because there was some resonance or buzz or something that just didn't sound right and was really obvious on the recording. I really try to use a light touch with that though, particularly on snare.

The dampening is mainly for personal practice right now. It's kind of annoying to have tight snare, hats etc. then buvvvzzttt when you hit a Tom.
 
And for the record, which amp?

Tuxedo face Bass 300, it will be my always "clean" amp through my 810.

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Interesting article... it mentions a number of things that's always been in my mind about the debate.

This is why i said i like the idea of getting one of those table top vinyl cutters...i know the quality wont be as good but i look at vinyl as a really cool merch to hold and look at more than a perfect way to listen to it. Thats what digital is for. Biking to Dopesmoker is much more enjoyable than coach locked dopesmoker. And if we can keep prices almost ridiculously low, i dont think people will mind a sub par quality vinyl of quality riffs.
 
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Most of my vinyls were free, .99 cents or $1.99.

It's a lot of old rock, country, indian and South American music that would be pricier and harder to find on cd, or require pirating.

Also someone on here once said vinyl is more of an experience, you pick an album, you turn on your amp, set it up and listen. It's kind of like my hookah, there's a ceremony involved and it's nice for entertaining or personal enjoyment.
 
That's what I just got, totally did not score at $170, but It came with everything in place, foot switch and a cover. Glad you dig it on guitar, and "works on bass" that's why I bought it.

It sounds pretty good on bass but without being able to run it at 2ohms it wasnt loud enough for what I need playing live. I think it would shine though in a recording situation.

Thanks, got a hankerin' for some old school SS grind lately.
Its got all the grindz. lol
 
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Most of my vinyls were free, .99 cents or $1.99.

It's a lot of old rock, country, indian and South American music that would be pricier and harder to find on cd, or require pirating.

Also someone on here once said vinyl is more of an experience, you pick an album, you turn on your amp, set it up and listen. It's kind of like my hookah, there's a ceremony involved and it's nice for entertaining or personal enjoyment.

And theres definitely that too, but thats when I want that ceremonial experience. If im just listening to music for music im more than likely going digital.