Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

[Jolagh]

Along with what janitor said are you making sure its set to mono bridged mode and you have a speakon connected to the bridged out in the back? It uses a regular speakon cable.

 

[Turkeypills]

Yeah, 1200W in bridge mode should be more than enough.

Does this amp need a special rewired speakon bridge cable? You could have it bridge mode, but not seeing the full output if you're using a stock cable. Or maybe a preamp tube is on the way out?

You probably already know about those things, just trying to eliminate simple solutions.

I do have a properly wired bridge cable, though I rarely run it in bridged mode because I usually have to run multiple cabs.

 

[Turkeypills]

On the bright side of my situation, after my last gig I think I made decent progress in convincing my two guitarists that they both need to turn down. I just cannot keep up with 4 wide open marshalls.

 

[Jolagh]

Shoulda bought a couple duallys and win the volume war.

Yeah with that kind of stage volume your gonna need moar amps.

 

[mlove]

On the bright side of my situation, after my last gig I think I made decent progress in convincing my two guitarists that they both need to turn down. I just cannot keep up with 4 wide open marshalls.

Holy crap! I like being loud but that's a little ridiculous.
Sounds men must love you guys.

 

[The_Janitor]

Aha, 4 cranked marshalls and parallel mode explains a lot.

 

[Jolagh]

Buy two 8 ohm duallys and bridge it all together for the full 1200 watts into 4 ohms and 4x15s. That may get you loud enough.

 

[Turkeypills]

Shoulda bought a couple duallys and win the volume war.

Yeah with that kind of stage volume your gonna need moar amps.

Dual duallys is on the docket.

Holy crap! I like being load but that's a little ridiculous.
Sounds men must love you guys.

I am not sure why they continue to mic our cabs. Drums and vocals are really all we would need miced... almost anywhere.

Aha, 4 cranked marshalls and parallel mode explains a lot.

I know that bridged will get me more juice, but I had always though more speakers meant more actual volume. I am not sure how to compete even in bridged mode with a single 810. I guess its time to get my 2000s updated and put my aby to use.

 

[mlove]

I am not sure why they continue to mic our cabs. Drums and vocals are really all we would need miced... almost anywhere.

Ha
I used to play in one band and our conversations with sound guys usually went like this:
You guys going to play that loud.
Yes.
Sound guy put Mics away.

 

[Turkeypills]

Ha
I used to play in one band and our conversations with sound guys usually went like this:
You guys going to play that loud.
Yes.
Sound guy put Mics away.

I am fairly certain that the only reason we get away with it is because my lead guitarist and drummer are very well connected throughout STL and are pretty close with the guys who own/operate the main venues we play at. I recall being told that, "I doesn't ****ing matter what we do as long as we show up and play"... I am not so sure how far that extends, but at least locally its fairly true.

We are probably the loudest band in STL.

Duallys it is.

 

[Niff]

derpy electronics question. does a .0047uf cap cut more bass/low mids than a .047uf cap, or does it work the other way around?

 

[Ender_rpm]

We are probably the loudest band in STL..

It was pretty feckin loud, I forgot my plugs and still had a slight hum the next morning. But it was fun

 

[Blank_0101]

derpy electronics question. does a .0047uf cap cut more bass/low mids than a .047uf cap, or does it work the other way around?

The .0047 is ric like bridge pickup bass remover

That .047 is the fendery high end cut.

On my jaguar I have a switchable .1uf on the neck and a .001 on the bridge pickup. Need to peek into my bronco as I might actually need a .01 on the neck, .1 might be mudddddd

 

[Niff]

The .0047 is ric like bridge pickup bass remover

That .047 is the fendery high end cut.

On my jaguar I have a switchable .1uf on the neck and a .001 on the bridge pickup.

right i see. i ask because i'm trying to find the best crossover point for my pickups with Tonestylers installed

i intend on having the bass tone knob be the Bass Ten (naturally), but i am trying to decide between the Bass Six (.047uf), Guitar Six (.022uf) or the Custom Six (.01uf) for the Bridge tone in order to have a kind of internal "crossover" within the bass when set correctly to make the signals even more separate.

see below - can anyone shed any light?

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[Jolagh]

Ha
I used to play in one band and our conversations with sound guys usually went like this:
You guys going to play that loud.
Yes.
Sound guy put Mics away.

At Centaurus first show i played my first note for soundcheck and i had the sound guy yelling and waving his arms gesturing for me to turn down. They turned off my mic for the pa lol...

 

[Niff]

At Centaurus first show i played my first note for soundcheck and i had the sound guy yelling and waving his arms gesturing for me to turn down. They turned off my mic for the pa lol...

playing small venues as an instrumental band is awesome. we try and mic the kick and snare whenever possible but we have a loud as fvck drummer anyway. amps take care of the rest. thankfully when playing one of the larger venues in town, the house sound guy is in a psych band himself and he knows exactly what to do!

 

[Blank_0101]

right i see. i ask because i'm trying to find the best crossover point for my pickups with Tonestylers installed

i intend on having the bass tone knob be the Bass Ten (naturally), but i am trying to decide between the Bass Six (.047uf), Guitar Six (.022uf) or the Custom Six (.01uf) for the Bridge tone in order to have a kind of internal "crossover" within the bass when set correctly to make the signals even more separate.

see below - can anyone shed any light?

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I'd ask the company for there opinion, merely because perhaps one of those cap interactions might cause a comb filtering or some other issue.

I'd do bass 10 and custom 6 or guitar 6 if all worked ok. Probably dependent on how I really Intended on running the bass 10 realistically. Probably guitar though if you ever went just bridge pickup and wanted the slightly lower setting.

 

[mc_muench]

It certainly is not an EQ problem as I cut the low lows and keep the low boost switch off. I generally push the low mids and upper mids. As far as cabs go, I am using either an 810e or a Sunn 215 with a BW and a legend in it. I primarily use the 810 for gigs though. Either way, with one cab or both I have the same issue. It is never loud enough and the limiter is constantly on or flashing. I actually think there is something wrong with the amp itself as the limiter light just will not stay off, even with both the gain and master at noon. I used to have a 3 pro and felt like it was hugely overrated in terms of power and somewhat bland tonally. When I had the opportunity to grab this 4 pro for cheap I was hesitant because of my experience with the 3 pro. I had heard countless people speak of its insane volume and I figured I could work around the tone if it had the balls I was looking for. So far I have been completely unimpressed. The amp really is just a bigger heavier 3 pro, same overrated power section and the same bland tone. The amp does not even stress my speakers in the slightest way.

Maybe the mesa isn't the option for me. I definitely would like to try one in person, but in the great fly over state of Missouri, there isn't anyplace that carries the prodigy/strategy. Maybe a pre/power rig with a stupid powerful poweramp is the solution.

One thing i learned about those SS ampeg heads is dont call it a limiter, if its not shining your arent pushing it hard enough.

And yeah against 4 dimed marshalls you gonna need more than just one cab or amp. Anytime I see a band with 2 full stacks for guitar and the bassist only has one 810, Im like wheres his full stack?

Ive played one of those strategies pretty much cranked at an empty music store before, underwelling and sterile. Im mean its loud but not as loud as id expect from a 435 watt tube head.

 

[Burnsy]

I went out last night and saw North (Tucson AZ), Oryx (Las Cruces NM), and locals Goya and Take Over And Destroy at the relatively tiny Tempe Tavern.

Every cab on stage was mic'd for each performance.

I have no idea why.

For Christ's sake, Tommy from Oryx (guitar-drums 2-piece) was rockin his Epiphone Les paul through a fecking Peavey CS1200 (stereo SS power amp, 600W per side) into a 8x10 on one side and a goddamned Worshiper cabs prototype ported 4x15 on the other side. You're gonna mic that? in a room the size of a three car garage???? Oh yeah and ALSO an Electric tube head on a 4x12. Maybe that was just the drummer's monitor.

 

[Burnsy]

Oryx