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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Do any yall play on non fuzzed out distortion/overdrive? I play thru the big muff and it's not really cutting it. I have two guitarist going thru fuzz pedals and when everyone chugs together the fuzz tone is lost. And unless I blend (dry)it the bottom ends drops out as well. The dry setting to me just sounds like a poopy overdrive pedal. So I don't like the pedal and that's probably the issue. However, how much germanium does one band need? Was thinking maybe a good distortion pedal would cut thru better. Idk
I can use my B3K in the mix and it cuts great. Just doesn't sound "doom" enough for me. I'd recommend a different fuzz maybe. Depending on the flavor of doom I'm playing, I use a Pharaoh Supreme (muff-based fuzz, but very tweaked) and a JohnK modded Pork Loin overdrive. Both have plenty of bass and cut the mix no problem. My guitarists use heavy distortion bordering on fuzz, and I can stomp all over the mix if I want no problem.

I'm sure others will also give great suggestions, and many around here have experience with many more pedals and scenarios.
 
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I play with two guitarists that use a lot of fuzz and distortion. I play "clean" in quieter parts, that's just the SVT-2PRO with input gain and OD cranked, then use Fuzz, Distortion and OD. Reigning fuzz is the Palmer Bazz, which is a unique circuit, fairly low gain compared to other fuzzes, but it has tons of low and sounds really great pushing the SVT. Distortion is the MXR/Fuzzrocious M85, which is a Rat clone. It sounds great, but a tiny bit less low end than the Bazz. It can be kind of fiddly and I run hot and cold on it, some nights it just kills, other times I favor my other pedals. OD pedal is an EHX Crayon that replaced an EHX OD Glove (OCD clone). I like the Crayon, but I'm still tweaking it.

Distortion and OD cut through the best, though I find that OD can sound less distorted than it actually is when in a loud live mix with the two guitarists.

I had the bass big muff for a long time, it did OK on bass boost mode in my 3-piece doom band, but wasn't anything to write home about. I doubt it would do well against two fuzzed out 100W half-stacks. The Bazz kicked it off the board.

One more workday to get through then it's vacation time for me and the wife. Heading out tomorrow for a week-long road trip out east, camping in the Appalachians, then Rehoboth beach for a few days. Should be a good time, I love road trips and camping.
 
Do any yall play on non fuzzed out distortion/overdrive? I play thru the big muff and it's not really cutting it. I have two guitarist going thru fuzz pedals and when everyone chugs together the fuzz tone is lost. And unless I blend (dry)it the bottom ends drops out as well. The dry setting to me just sounds like a poopy overdrive pedal. So I don't like the pedal and that's probably the issue. However, how much germanium does one band need? Was thinking maybe a good distortion pedal would cut thru better. Idk

I use a Dunwich Volt Thrower always on at somewhat low to medium gain, enough to get a little hair and a lot of growl. But i have it running on 18 and it has a step up transformer to 36 volt and i use that to drive the front end of my Verellen when i play hard. I like a lot of gank in my tone and not a ton of total fuzz, for when i want a ton of fuzz I use a mountain king megalith and take over the mix. That being said I play in a power trio so I don't have too much competition to have to cut through.
 
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I prefer OCD and Rat based circuits. I like some fuzz, but as was mentioned I have trouble cutting through with the two full stacks or four half stacks I compete with.

I have been using a boss ODB-3 as an always on light OD/bass boost. My number one is currently a Big Game effects Bedlam Drive, which is an OCD with a huge bass boost and a second footswitch to engage a gated boost. That switch takes it from growling, clanky angry rumble to rip your face off sear.
 
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I play in a three piece, so no problems cutting through since I got rid of bass big muff :)
DOD250 for overdrive, Abominable DSOM for heavy distortion and, when I occasionally want to create a solid wall of noise behind the guitar, the Megalith fuzz.

I remember Ron from Bongripper saying here that he actually stopped using fuzz as he had problems cutting through and settled for a RAT-based distortion. So I guess that's the way.
 
I play in a three piece, so no problems cutting through since I got rid of bass big muff :)
DOD250 for overdrive, Abominable DSOM for heavy distortion and, when I occasionally want to create a solid wall of noise behind the guitar, the Megalith fuzz.

I remember Ron from Bongripper saying here that he actually stopped using fuzz as he had problems cutting through and settled for a RAT-based distortion. So I guess that's the way.

I think Ron uses a fuzzrocious demon from what I remember. Great pedal even if thats not what he uses now. I miss mine, wish i hadn't sold it.
 
Do any yall play on non fuzzed out distortion/overdrive? I play thru the big muff and it's not really cutting it. I have two guitarist going thru fuzz pedals and when everyone chugs together the fuzz tone is lost. And unless I blend (dry)it the bottom ends drops out as well. The dry setting to me just sounds like a poopy overdrive pedal. So I don't like the pedal and that's probably the issue. However, how much germanium does one band need? Was thinking maybe a good distortion pedal would cut thru better. Idk

If I do use fuzz, I tend towards tighter, more distortion leaning fuzzes. Normally I actually tend to prefer RAT or OCD based pedals, so I have more bite to cut through a heavy guitar mix. I do have a go to fuzz pedal that I like a lot, but it's custom made to my taste. That's a Dunwich Cthulhu Fuzz Deluxe, which is a Fuzz Face based circuit, but with a boost/added gain stage that tightens it up and makes it more smooth, along with a Baxandall tone stack and a Depth control, all of which help me dial in a tone that's heavy and thick, but not "splatty" fuzz. That also has a clean blend and an effects loop blend, but I almost never really need or use them. I'm not a fan of the "ripping velcro" style fuzzes and pedals that are really blown own and rough sounding. Muff based fuzzes can be good, but they tend to be really compressed and thick sounding and it can be hard to stand out in a mix without a modified tone stack and/or some kind of blend. I've realized I also like pedals that have a more high voltage power supply, either direct or built in (you can have a 9v supply, but an 18v and beyond circuit), because you get better headroom and things always seem to sound a little more clear, even with a lot of gain.
 
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Hehehe, a far more complex set up. Ever try to get by with just the Marshalls? What's the traditonal-ish bass rig composed of?
Nah, with just the Marshalls it's really missing the low end, it'd be kind of like trying to get heavily intimate with a lady with no ass ha ha. But I haven't really tried maxing out the bass EQ and running them through bass cabs so that would probably help. I would guess more "modern" high-gain guitar amps have more low end available in any case.
The traditional-ish bass rig is currently a late 70's Peavey Series 400 Musician. I've also used a Sunn 2000s semi-clone, and a Traynor YBA-1A semi-clone, both of which got the job done just fine.
 
I'm getting a mix of different clipping in my D-180. There's the regular gain it does, and then if you use the graphic, and only boost like I do, that'll add another flavor of grindiness to the drive. I'm not sure quite what's going on electrically, but I like it.

Now that you mention it, the graphic EQ probably goes a long way and probably makes that amp have more grind potential than the demos would lead me to believe. I knew someone who had an Acoustic 370, and once you got that thing distorting, you could really alter its sound radically with the graphic sliders.

I have one of those VHT special 6's. A pretty decent little amp, sounds good, and is surprisingly loud through enough cab. I did pick up a Peavey VTX MX, which is 95 watts in to my 8 Ohm cab. This is easily a gigable set up for guitar and is honestly an amazing amp.

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Paired with my Dually, its 130 watts. Grindy amazing bass tones.

I have to admit, I wasn't aware of the great tube amps Peavey was putting out in the late 80's/90's when they were new. I started to see them in pawn shops and realize how great they were around 2000. They keep putting out great stuff, I hope Peavey never dies.

And yeah, with guitar the VHT has nearly enough beans to get the job done, and sounds great trying. I record stuff with it all the time, but I wasn't willing to haul around the amount of cabinet that it would require for it to carry bass loud enough to compete with my drummer. He plays an old Rodgers jazz kit, and every drummer we play a show with still comments on how hard he hits.



Do any yall play on non fuzzed out distortion/overdrive? I play thru the big muff and it's not really cutting it. I have two guitarist going thru fuzz pedals and when everyone chugs together the fuzz tone is lost. And unless I blend (dry)it the bottom ends drops out as well. The dry setting to me just sounds like a poopy overdrive pedal. So I don't like the pedal and that's probably the issue. However, how much germanium does one band need? Was thinking maybe a good distortion pedal would cut thru better. Idk

Hmm, Big Muffs can be the muddiest fuzz ever. It depends on what generation it is, and how it's set. When we recorded recently, I used my Big Muff. It's a NYC reissue, umm, EC3003-E revision circuit, I think. Even the different revisions of that board sound different. The Super-Fuzz still needed to be re-capped, and my drummer preferred the Muff to the Mastotron (gotta keep the drummer happy, they're weird). The engineer and producer came out to adjust it when I turned it on, and decided it sounded best with all three knobs on 10. That was the only way it cut through the mix.

So, yeah, I also think it might be the pedal. I'm getting a Behringer SF300 because: it seems to do a pretty spot-on imitation of my Super-Fuzz, I'm not really sure about gigging with an expensive pedal that's quite old, and at $25 it's about the cheapest path to fuzz there is. If it works out, I can buy ten for backup and still be under the replacement cost for the Super-Fuzz (no, I didn't pay those crazy prices, I traded a chorus pedal for it when I was 19).

Since it's an octave fuzz that generates a lot of information that your bass isn't even really making, using the scooped Super-Fuzz sound, the high end might get lost when both of my guitarists are going, but if there's an open frequency up there, it fills it. The low end is still filled up, too. Using it on guitar with other guitars in the mix, it sometimes becomes a question of "do you want the fuzz to dominate them, or be background", using it on bass, it still has enough room in the mix to live without drowning out everything else.

OTOH, you might like more mildly overdriven sounds sometimes. I might have the gain dimed on all channels all the time, but I turn the fuzz off when it's appropriate, and switch channels too.
 
I have to admit, I wasn't aware of the great tube amps Peavey was putting out in the late 80's/90's when they were new. I started to see them in pawn shops and realize how great they were around 2000. They keep putting out great stuff, I hope Peavey never dies.

And yeah, with guitar the VHT has nearly enough beans to get the job done, and sounds great trying. I record stuff with it all the time, but I wasn't willing to haul around the amount of cabinet that it would require for it to carry bass loud enough to compete with my drummer. He plays an old Rodgers jazz kit, and every drummer we play a show with still comments on how hard he hits.

I love peavey amps. I have 900 watts in just tube amps. As soon as I square away a house, I will resume my hunt for another Classic 400.
 
Nah, with just the Marshalls it's really missing the low end, it'd be kind of like trying to get heavily intimate with a lady with no ass ha ha. But I haven't really tried maxing out the bass EQ and running them through bass cabs so that would probably help. I would guess more "modern" high-gain guitar amps have more low end available in any case.
The traditional-ish bass rig is currently a late 70's Peavey Series 400 Musician. I've also used a Sunn 2000s semi-clone, and a Traynor YBA-1A semi-clone, both of which got the job done just fine.


Yeah, bass cabs would go a long way. The Marshalls have the watts and transformers to move air. The YBA-1 is not that different of a circuit from an early Marshall, as they're both modifications of a Bassman.

And oooooh yeah. I had a Peavey 400 Bass that I loved. That bastard was as heavy as my YCS100, though.
 
Now that you mention it, the graphic EQ probably goes a long way and probably makes that amp have more grind potential than the demos would lead me to believe. I knew someone who had an Acoustic 370, and once you got that thing distorting, you could really alter its sound radically with the graphic sliders.



I have to admit, I wasn't aware of the great tube amps Peavey was putting out in the late 80's/90's when they were new. I started to see them in pawn shops and realize how great they were around 2000. They keep putting out great stuff, I hope Peavey never dies.

And yeah, with guitar the VHT has nearly enough beans to get the job done, and sounds great trying. I record stuff with it all the time, but I wasn't willing to haul around the amount of cabinet that it would require for it to carry bass loud enough to compete with my drummer. He plays an old Rodgers jazz kit, and every drummer we play a show with still comments on how hard he hits.





Hmm, Big Muffs can be the muddiest fuzz ever. It depends on what generation it is, and how it's set. When we recorded recently, I used my Big Muff. It's a NYC reissue, umm, EC3003-E revision circuit, I think. Even the different revisions of that board sound different. The Super-Fuzz still needed to be re-capped, and my drummer preferred the Muff to the Mastotron (gotta keep the drummer happy, they're weird). The engineer and producer came out to adjust it when I turned it on, and decided it sounded best with all three knobs on 10. That was the only way it cut through the mix.

So, yeah, I also think it might be the pedal. I'm getting a Behringer SF300 because: it seems to do a pretty spot-on imitation of my Super-Fuzz, I'm not really sure about gigging with an expensive pedal that's quite old, and at $25 it's about the cheapest path to fuzz there is. If it works out, I can buy ten for backup and still be under the replacement cost for the Super-Fuzz (no, I didn't pay those crazy prices, I traded a chorus pedal for it when I was 19).

Since it's an octave fuzz that generates a lot of information that your bass isn't even really making, using the scooped Super-Fuzz sound, the high end might get lost when both of my guitarists are going, but if there's an open frequency up there, it fills it. The low end is still filled up, too. Using it on guitar with other guitars in the mix, it sometimes becomes a question of "do you want the fuzz to dominate them, or be background", using it on bass, it still has enough room in the mix to live without drowning out everything else.

OTOH, you might like more mildly overdriven sounds sometimes. I might have the gain dimed on all channels all the time, but I turn the fuzz off when it's appropriate, and switch channels too.

I have the SF300 but haven't been able to get it work for bass. Just gets weirdly synthy, which isn't what I'm looking for. Sounds awesome on guitar, had one of my guitarists try it out with his vintage V4 and Emperor 4x12 and it was instant Electric Wizard, really sounded awesome.
 
I have the SF300 but haven't been able to get it work for bass. Just gets weirdly synthy, which isn't what I'm looking for. Sounds awesome on guitar, had one of my guitarists try it out with his vintage V4 and Emperor 4x12 and it was instant Electric Wizard, really sounded awesome.

Oh, sure, now ya tell me!

Either way, I'll try it out. It's less than a carton of smokes (yep, totally antiquated unit of measure), already on the way, and my original unit can get kinda synthy when you push it. The synthy quality is kind of inherent in octave fuzzes, because they are generating sounds your bass (or even guitar) isn't.
 
Oh, sure, now ya tell me!

Either way, I'll try it out. It's less than a carton of smokes (yep, totally antiquated unit of measure), already on the way, and my original unit can get kinda synthy when you push it. The synthy quality is kind of inherent in octave fuzzes, because they are generating sounds your bass (or even guitar) isn't.

Yep, it's just the nature of the beast - not saying it won't work with your rig or that it sounds awful or anything, just didn't suit my purposes with my setup.