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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Been asking a lot of questions as of late I appreciate the responses. Have any of you tried the peavey vb 215 by chance?

I have never even seen one. A rare bird that cab is. Reports I have read are that it is fairly decent, but not a light weight. Peavey is making some of the best ferrite 15" drivers in the business IMHO. Not sure what that cab is loaded with though.

Peavey Tour VB-215 700W 2x15 Bass Speaker Cabinet

Looks like it is the 1502-8 Black Widow. A really good sounding driver, not as robust as the 1505-8DT Black Widow which would be my preference.
 
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You guys stop hogging all the CL400's. I might want one someday.

That said, anyone have any experience or strong pro/con feels about Mesa Bass 400 or 400+?

Apparently it's open season in mid America for cool ass bass amps. I don't know. What I do know is that my bank will hate me. My creditors will love me. But I will survive and amps = happiness.

Also, dually number two should be in the hands of Fedex tonight. So all around **** yeah right now.
 
Apparently it's open season in mid America for cool ass bass amps. I don't know. What I do know is that my bank will hate me. My creditors will love me. But I will survive and amps = happiness.

Also, dually number two should be in the hands of Fedex tonight. So all around **** yeah right now.

Goodbye volume issues huh? Its like the guitarists are bringing ak47s and you are launching the atom bomb.
 
You guys stop hogging all the CL400's. I might want one someday.

That said, anyone have any experience or strong pro/con feels about Mesa Bass 400 or 400+?

I like the 400 better, as it's not half as loud, it's just not two separate channels with their own controls. 400+ is cool if you want a switchable dirt channel and don't like pedals, but for the size, weight and amount of tubes it's crazy overkill. Big box Rat > Mesa 400/+ is a KILLER tone. Kurt from TAD used to rock that, I think with some old road ready 15's, but might have played through an 810 sometimes. Both sound great, I think. I've recorded them a bunch in years past and been impressed.
 
Sorry to be persnickety but I request grammatical clarification. Are you saying

1) The 400 is not half as loud as the 400+; it is less than half as loud as the 400+.

or

2) The 400 is not like the 400+ with respect to loudness. The 400+ is half as loud. The 400 is not.

The 400 is 6 output tubes (earlier models are 6550, later are 6L6) and the 400+ is 12 output tubes (6L6, but I think there's some variation of model number with some era of Mesa branded tubes for it). The 400+ isn't twice as loud as the 400 though, they're nearly the same volume functionally, but the 400+ distributes its power across more output tubes for less strain. The 400+ also has two separate preamp sections with full controls and a single master volume. It's the same preamp design as the D-180 I believe or really close.
 
Do any yall play on non fuzzed out distortion/overdrive? I play thru the big muff and it's not really cutting it. I have two guitarist going thru fuzz pedals and when everyone chugs together the fuzz tone is lost. And unless I blend (dry)it the bottom ends drops out as well. The dry setting to me just sounds like a poopy overdrive pedal. So I don't like the pedal and that's probably the issue. However, how much germanium does one band need? Was thinking maybe a good distortion pedal would cut thru better. Idk

Right now using the GK-rails pedal as well as a Pork Loin for some edge. These two pedals help cut through.
I do also have the Dunn muff-clone called the BlackBeard fuzz. It's a muff-variation-clone with a mid control - which is cranked to help cut.
 
Right now using the GK-rails pedal as well as a Pork Loin for some edge. These two pedals help cut through.
I do also have the Dunn muff-clone called the BlackBeard fuzz. It's a muff-variation-clone with a mid control - which is cranked to help cut.
What are your settings in the Rails pedal? I use mine mostly for a dirty treble boost. On its own the current settings are a subtle grind, but feed that into my other dirt and it's a noticeable difference.
 
The 400 is 6 output tubes (earlier models are 6550, later are 6L6) and the 400+ is 12 output tubes (6L6, but I think there's some variation of model number with some era of Mesa branded tubes for it). The 400+ isn't twice as loud as the 400 though, they're nearly the same volume functionally, but the 400+ distributes its power across more output tubes for less strain. The 400+ also has two separate preamp sections with full controls and a single master volume. It's the same preamp design as the D-180 I believe or really close.


the 400 can run 6L6s or 6550s. with 6L6s it's rated for 150 watts with 6550s it's 300 watts, same as the 400+.

i owned a 400+ for a while. one of the best clean tones I've heard. i wasn't a fan of the fender tonestack or the way the amp distorted though. if i had a spare $1000 I'd pick one up again though. I'd like to try a 400.
 
Do a search!

And.... the Mesa 400 was made between 1985 and mid '89. It was originally designed to use six 6550 power tubes, although late models shipped with 6L6's. Regardless of tubes, it puts out around 200 watts of power, maybe a little more. Most of the original 400's only had 4 and 8 ohm taps, but the very latest ones (such as the one I own) have 2-ohm taps as well.

The 400+ came out in mid '89, and used twelve 6L6's. It puts out close to 270 watts.

The 400 only came with a 6 band EQ, as did the first run of 400+'s. The plus began using a 7-band eq around 1990.

Also, the 400 was voiced to use the commonly available NOS tubes of the mid 80's, whereas the 400+ is voiced around cheaper tubes. The reason Mesa switched from the 400 to the 400+ was because they ran out of stocks of reliable 6550 power tubes, and at the time Groove Tubes was the only company making new ones, and they sucked! So they started selling the 400 with 6L6's, and people probably complained about a loss of headroom. So they designed a new amp to use 12 6L6's, and hence the 400+.

I use the older Bass 400. Despite the wattage difference, there really isn't a difference in volume between the two amps (as long as the 400 is running 6550 or KT88 tubes). There is a tonal difference though, and I certainly like my 400 more!

I found this

Kinda want one of those 6550 versions

Joyo UD

90's Danelectro fabtone

Bluebeard my all time favorite dirt boxes.
 
I recorded SHOGUN tonight with a dimed DOD250 into a pretty grindy Rockmaster through the 810tx. It brought heavy and kept stuff simple. And gave me amazing control via my fingers.

Were trying to finish a 6 song EP before Midwest Day of Wreckoning. Itll be close and itll crush.

Also, bought a minty 3620 tonty for $350...or at least paid for it, now its sitting in virginia waiting for me. Ill plan something out there and pick it up.

3 fridges...oh yeah.
 
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Now that you mention it, the graphic EQ probably goes a long way and probably makes that amp have more grind potential than the demos would lead me to believe. I knew someone who had an Acoustic 370, and once you got that thing distorting, you could really alter its sound radically with the graphic sliders.



I have to admit, I wasn't aware of the great tube amps Peavey was putting out in the late 80's/90's when they were new. I started to see them in pawn shops and realize how great they were around 2000. They keep putting out great stuff, I hope Peavey never dies.

And yeah, with guitar the VHT has nearly enough beans to get the job done, and sounds great trying. I record stuff with it all the time, but I wasn't willing to haul around the amount of cabinet that it would require for it to carry bass loud enough to compete with my drummer. He plays an old Rodgers jazz kit, and every drummer we play a show with still comments on how hard he hits.





Hmm, Big Muffs can be the muddiest fuzz ever. It depends on what generation it is, and how it's set. When we recorded recently, I used my Big Muff. It's a NYC reissue, umm, EC3003-E revision circuit, I think. Even the different revisions of that board sound different. The Super-Fuzz still needed to be re-capped, and my drummer preferred the Muff to the Mastotron (gotta keep the drummer happy, they're weird). The engineer and producer came out to adjust it when I turned it on, and decided it sounded best with all three knobs on 10. That was the only way it cut through the mix.

So, yeah, I also think it might be the pedal. I'm getting a Behringer SF300 because: it seems to do a pretty spot-on imitation of my Super-Fuzz, I'm not really sure about gigging with an expensive pedal that's quite old, and at $25 it's about the cheapest path to fuzz there is. If it works out, I can buy ten for backup and still be under the replacement cost for the Super-Fuzz (no, I didn't pay those crazy prices, I traded a chorus pedal for it when I was 19).

Since it's an octave fuzz that generates a lot of information that your bass isn't even really making, using the scooped Super-Fuzz sound, the high end might get lost when both of my guitarists are going, but if there's an open frequency up there, it fills it. The low end is still filled up, too. Using it on guitar with other guitars in the mix, it sometimes becomes a question of "do you want the fuzz to dominate them, or be background", using it on bass, it still has enough room in the mix to live without drowning out everything else.

OTOH, you might like more mildly overdriven sounds sometimes. I might have the gain dimed on all channels all the time, but I turn the fuzz off when it's appropriate, and switch channels too.
I always use the graphic EQ in Catapult. In Dustern and in my folk/rock band I usually don't.

You guys stop hogging all the CL400's. I might want one someday.

That said, anyone have any experience or strong pro/con feels about Mesa Bass 400 or 400+?
I'd prefer the 400, so as to use either 6L6 or 6550 tubes in the power amp.

Your thoughts my dudes?

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I've always been kinda "meh" on Hartke stuff, personally. Doesn't mean it's bad, I just don't like it very much.