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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Are you talking the Afterlife? Pretty sure that runs on the Belton Brick digital unit like most reverbs from indy builders/DIYers. The BBD analog reverb chip designed in the 80s, the MN3011, was a sort of stop-gap solution, but the digital reverb tech was quickly getting better and able to be made smaller and smaller. DOD and Arion are the only other manufacturers besides Morley's Rock'n Verb I know of to make analog reverbs (the FX45 and SRV-1 respectively). Once Boss was able to make a digital unit small enough to be housed in a pedal (the RV-2, there is no RV-1), that pretty much spelled game over for analog reverb. (Fun fact, the RV-2 is the only Boss pedal without a battery clip, the reverb chip was so big they didn't have space left over for a battery.)

Apparently, the MN3011 chips are very noisy and the reverb room size is pretty small compared with even the early digital units like the Boss and the Holy Grail. Still I've been keeping my eye out for one of these older analog units because I don't mind noisy and I'm just curious if analog makes that much of a tonal difference like it does with delay.
Ah, okay. That makes sense. Do most reverb pedals use the Belton Brick?
 
Ah, okay. That makes sense. Do most reverb pedals use the Belton Brick?

A lot do and it's been a boon to the indy builder and DIY communities. As I understand it, the Belton Brick is essentially three of the digital PT2399 delay chips stacked. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Brian Neunaber came up with, or had a hand in developing, the Belton Brick. Otherwise, a reverb algorithm is uniquely created in-house like with Boss, EHX, Strymon. I'm pretty sure Iron Ether's Nimbus is a unique DSP since Taylor designed it for bass and baritone guitar. But by and large the indy builder community uses the Belton Brick.
 
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A lot do and it's been a boon to the indy builder and DIY communities. As I understand it, the Belton Brick is essentially three of the digital PT2399 delay chips stacked. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Brian Neunaber came up with, or had a hand in developing, the Belton Brick. Otherwise, a reverb algorithm is uniquely created in-house like with Boss, EHX, Strymon. I'm pretty sure Iron Ether's Nimbus is a unique DSP since Taylor designed it for bass and baritone guitar. But by and large the indy builder community uses the Belton Brick.
I wonder if the Afterneath uses it, too.
 
I wonder if the Afterneath uses it, too.

It's a great question I don't have an answer to. Maybe someone with insight can chime in? I'm pretty sure their Ghost Echo was a built around a Belton Brick plus additional PT2399 chip. The literature advertises the Afterneath as being a series of short echos so perhaps it doesn't use the Belton Brick but a few PT2399 or other delay chips. That's just conjecture and getting way above my head when it comes to pedal building.
 
It's a great question I don't have an answer to. Maybe someone with insight can chime in? I'm pretty sure their Ghost Echo was a built around a Belton Brick plus additional PT2399 chip. The literature advertises the Afterneath as being a series of short echos so perhaps it doesn't use the Belton Brick but a few PT2399 or other delay chips. That's just conjecture and getting way above my head when it comes to pedal building.
Yeah. The Afterneath is definitely cool. Just too many things to fiddle with for me.

The combination Afterlife/Anomalies pedal that Andy Westwood got would be great for my purposes, except that it appears to be goddamn huge.
 
Man, that sex with the drummers gf thread is amazing. I cant believe its still not closed. I saw it when i woke up this morning and decided not to post, certain that it would be closed within the hour. Its till going and degrading like uranium. And we get nuked for talking about pot and politics once.
Right?

It's been great for expanding my ignore list.
 
Question for you stoners/doomers that have more experience with running crazy effects at high volume. In previous projects, I was always bass straight to amp. Now I'm running dimed reverb. At higher volumes through a single 1x15 cab, I fear there's a lot of stress being put on the speaker, what with the crazy amount of reflections and short echoes. Would multiple speakers handle this better? Say a 4x10 as opposed to a 1x15? Or doesn't it really matter.
 
Question for you stoners/doomers that have more experience with running crazy effects at high volume. In previous projects, I was always bass straight to amp. Now I'm running dimed reverb. At higher volumes through a single 1x15 cab, I fear there's a lot of stress being put on the speaker, what with the crazy amount of reflections and short echoes. Would multiple speakers handle this better? Say a 4x10 as opposed to a 1x15? Or doesn't it really matter.

I think thats really dependant on the cab and speaker combo and less on the speaker size. You potentially get higher power handling from a 4x10
 
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I think thats really dependant on the cab and speaker combo and less on the speaker size. You potentially get higher power handling from a 4x10

My phrasing of the question was a bit simplistic. I guess I mean, all other things being equal (power handling, sensitivity, etc) does a boatload of effects put a higher stress on a single big speaker than say a bunch of smaller ones? It seems like it shouldn't matter in general, but moving a speaker magnet and cone in and out rapidly too often, is there a point where that starts to adversely affect a single speaker before it might stress a group of small ones?

But I hear what you're saying, great power handling in general from a good 4x10 or 2x15 (which is what I really want) might make it a non-issue.
 
I dont think that that is the case. Im not an expert so i could be wrong, but i think speakers suffer more from excessive excursion from pushint too much volume than from quick movements. But i dont think youll do alot of damage with reverb or delay. Now if you are using too big of an amp with a boatload of delay and reverb then maybe youll blow it up. I think most people would say just listen and if it sounds like its struggling you may need a speaker with more excursion and power handling.

Ive hammered my dually with sub harmonics from a density hulk with a cranked verellen and never did any damage. Though i think those faitals are a best case scenario if you are gonna put a speaker through tons of abuse.
 
Youre gonna run out of room on it pretty soon!
Is that a thing?

Question for you stoners/doomers that have more experience with running crazy effects at high volume. In previous projects, I was always bass straight to amp. Now I'm running dimed reverb. At higher volumes through a single 1x15 cab, I fear there's a lot of stress being put on the speaker, what with the crazy amount of reflections and short echoes. Would multiple speakers handle this better? Say a 4x10 as opposed to a 1x15? Or doesn't it really matter.
Add another 1x15?

I don't really run my reverb all the way up. Usually about halfway, to maybe two thirds.

Now you're mainly using a d-180 correct? That's def on my list of possibilities. Headroom is only thing. Played a mesa 400 yesterday and after I cranked the master it got beastly. I can find the 400+ for the same amount
I've only turned it all the way up in Catapult once. And that was at an outside show with no PA support.

Since the head is how I get overdrive, too much headroom is counterproductive for my purposes.
 
I dont think that that is the case. Im not an expert so i could be wrong, but i think speakers suffer more from excessive excursion from pushint too much volume than from quick movements. But i dont think youll do alot of damage with reverb or delay. Now if you are using too big of an amp with a boatload of delay and reverb then maybe youll blow it up. I think most people would say just listen and if it sounds like its struggling you may need a speaker with more excursion and power handling.

Ive hammered my dually with sub harmonics from a density hulk with a cranked verellen and never did any damage. Though i think those faitals are a best case scenario if you are gonna put a speaker through tons of abuse.


Ain't that the truth? Faitals in my Dually too, thing is a BEAST!

Have to agree with others, though: second fifteen is the way to go. Or save your pennies for a Dually.
 
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Alright, nearly a week later and I'm realizing that with an infant in the house, even that trip to the local electronics place might be a while. Anybody have any good links online or on Amazon to what I would need? Seems like the stuff I find on Amazon doesn't really tell me much to base my decision on. Mostly the cable and heat shrink, as I think I'm good with finding the ends I need. Thanks as always, gents.

You want shielded cable. I have no insight about the brand because I would honestly be shocked if more than 2-4 companies actually made the cable. I think most stuff is just rebranded.