Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

[Korladis]

Thanks for all the input!


I'm looking for something more along the lines of slow - mid tempo stoner or stoner/doom. Om and Al in general but lower, really. I find plain doom too distorted in all too many cases and that might be the issue, or at least one issue with a muddy tone. 'The Low C# Theory' has some great grooving at reasonable pace but it's improvisational jazz and no distortion whatsoever.

Can't wait to check out the track once I get home!


The product sheet says it does. Do you disagree or was there a misunderstanding? Actually wondering, I reckon that might come across as a rude/aggressive phrasing.
Ampeg: Pro Neo Series - PN-115HLF

Bongripper is slow - mid tempo stoner doom.

 

[dukeorock]

It doesnt.



Not even the best. You could build a system that does, but it makes way more sense to let the PA cover this work. Focusing on that first overtone is the way to do it.

Most PA’s high pass well above 28hz, for that matter.

Scored this last night on eBay for a really good price

 

[Jolagh]

Thanks for all the input!


I'm looking for something more along the lines of slow - mid tempo stoner or stoner/doom. Om and Al in general but lower, really. I find plain doom too distorted in all too many cases and that might be the issue, or at least one issue with a muddy tone. 'The Low C# Theory' has some great grooving at reasonable pace but it's improvisational jazz and no distortion whatsoever.

Can't wait to check out the track once I get home!


The product sheet says it does. Do you disagree or was there a misunderstanding? Actually wondering, I reckon that might come across as a rude/aggressive phrasing.
Ampeg: Pro Neo Series - PN-115HLF

I mean to be fair, I generally feel like B is too low sometimes. My band plays in B and without the drive and fuzz which makes the upper harmonics stick out i tend to prefer c or d for the punchiness.

at -10db you won't hear those frequencies as all the higher freqs are going to be quite a bit louder. Also there is a good chance that the amp you use will have a high pass filter that is cutting those low frequencies to begin with.

I mean if we are honest you wont really hear the fundamental at 20hz anyway because its right on the edge of human hearing. Its pretty much all the harmonics you hear.

 

[CL400Peavey]

I mean if we are honest you wont really hear the fundamental at 20hz anyway because its right on the edge of human hearing. Its pretty much all the harmonics you hear.

For that matter his bass probably isnt even producing it.

 

[bassboysam]

I mean to be fair, I generally feel like B is too low sometimes. My band plays in B and without the drive and fuzz which makes the upper harmonics stick out i tend to prefer c or d for the punchiness.

I mean if we are honest you wont really hear the fundamental at 20hz anyway because its right on the edge of human hearing. Its pretty much all the harmonics you hear.

i think a lot of people don't really know what 20hz sounds like. i have a pair of headphones that have a flat response dow to 10hz and even then 20hz is not obvious. most recorded music has very little content in that range

 

[socialleper]

The Thunderclapper arrived, this thing is amazing. 8.5lbs on the dot with the maple neck and roasted swamp ash body.

I've been very curious about the Dunable stuff. Having someone that actually understands low tunings is appealing.
How does the bass hang on a strap? It looks like it might be neck heavy.
Which pickup config did you go with?

 

[TSmith92]

I've been very curious about the Dunable stuff. Having someone that actually understands low tunings is appealing.
How does the bass hang on a strap? It looks like it might be neck heavy.
Which pickup config did you go with?

Post #44807 is my bass with the build specs. I own a Thunderclapper and one of the Cyclops guitars (all mahogany) and they are both very well balanced. I was worried that the cyclops wouldn't due to its vaguely SG styling but it is all good. I also have hipshot ultralites (I think like a 50 buck upgrade) on the thunderclapper so that probably helps. The band Conan uses Dunables and they are in Drop F with a 35" scale on bass and 25.5" on guitar.

 

[TSmith92]

I mean to be fair, I generally feel like B is too low sometimes. My band plays in B and without the drive and fuzz which makes the upper harmonics stick out i tend to prefer c or d for the punchiness.

I mean if we are honest you wont really hear the fundamental at 20hz anyway because its right on the edge of human hearing. Its pretty much all the harmonics you hear.

Yeah, C is the best in my opinion. That extra half step has done nothing but give me headaches with finding the right string tension.

 

[socialleper]

Post #44807 is my bass with the build specs. I own a Thunderclapper and one of the Cyclops guitars (all mahogany) and they are both very well balanced. I was worried that the cyclops wouldn't due to its vaguely SG styling but it is all good. I also have hipshot ultralites (I think like a 50 buck upgrade) on the thunderclapper so that probably helps. The band Conan uses Dunables and they are in Drop F with a 35" scale on bass and 25.5" on guitar.

Do you like what you are getting out of the Bigfoot pickups so far? I wish there were more demos of these basses. I appreciate Sacha's attempts, but the room mic and the guitar style playing don't really let you know what they sound like.
I know the bassist from Khemmis plays one, but he is so deep in the mix and fuzzed out, it is hard to really know what he sounds like. The bass tone on High on Fire is pretty buried too.

 

[socialleper]

Yeah, C is the best in my opinion. That extra half step has done nothing but give me headaches with finding the right string tension.

It is weird how quickly this becomes an issue. E and D, no problem. I start having trouble getting the right balance at C, and B has been a major pain in my backside. When I listen to other band's recordings, when they play in B or lower, the bass is either super scoped or a distorted mess. There aren't many examples of "clean" B tuned bass in the 25 years I've been listening to heavy music. The one I like the best is Leo Smee's stuff with Cathedral. I'd really like to know how he set up his bass on those albums.

 

[kleinenenten]

I’ve always liked my flats for stiffer tension. Of course, many don’t like the tone of flats, but I just love it.

 

[TSmith92]

Do you like what you are getting out of the Bigfoot pickups so far? I wish there were more demos of these basses. I appreciate Sacha's attempts, but the room mic and the guitar style playing don't really let you know what they sound like.
I know the bassist from Khemmis plays one, but he is so deep in the mix and fuzzed out, it is hard to really know what he sounds like. The bass tone on High on Fire is pretty buried too.

The Blend and Individual coil tap switches give you a bunch of options. I haven't used it in a band setting so I can't really speak to how well the cut through in the mix but so far my favorite has been 70/30 neck/bridge humbucker. Tons of bass and low mids with a good amount of high end from the bridge. I haven't messed around with distortion really yet, I am still waiting on my customized Meatsmoke Hybrid to arrive.

 

[Korladis]

Yeah, C is the best in my opinion. That extra half step has done nothing but give me headaches with finding the right string tension.

My experience is the opposite. C, C# for me are the nightmare tunings because a B string is just slightly wrong. I like B standard because it's easy to find B strings intended for 5-string basses.

 

[TSmith92]

My experience is the opposite. C, C# for me are the nightmare tunings because a B string is just slightly wrong. I like B standard because it's easy to find B strings intended for 5-string basses.

For me atleast I was never a fan of low tension on E or B strings. I use a .120 for D standard and whatever kalium string will get me roughly 40-42 lbs of tension in C. I have a Dingwall for my C tuned bass right now so its kind of cheating, Dunable is in D for now. Come to think of it the Darkglass tone capsule would probably be great in the Dunable...wonder if the humbuckers are too hot for an active preamp.

 

[Korladis]

For me atleast I was never a fan of low tension on E or B strings. I use a .120 for D standard and whatever kalium string will get me roughly 40-42 lbs of tension in C. I have a Dingwall for my C tuned bass right now so its kind of cheating, Dunable is in D for now. Come to think of it the Darkglass tone capsule would probably be great in the Dunable...wonder if the humbuckers are too hot for an active preamp.

I use 130, 100, 80, 60. On my EADG tuned basses I typically use a 100, 80, 60, 40. I like slightly less than standard tension.

Also I think there are better drive/fuzz circuits for bass than DG.

 

[TSmith92]

I use 130, 100, 80, 60. On my EADG tuned basses I typically use a 100, 80, 60, 40. I like slightly less than standard tension.

Also I think there are better drive/fuzz circuits for bass than DG.

Oh, I mean their active onboard preamp. It has Bass/low-mid/hi-mid instead of standard Bass/mid/treble.

 

[ProgressiveDoom]

For all you stoners who may not be familiar with this classic.. If you are, cool. If you arent than you you may thank me later. Or you may not. Not quite Doom or Stoner but its early 70's dreamy British Metal magic.

 

[Korladis]

Oh, I mean their active onboard preamp. It has Bass/low-mid/hi-mid instead of standard Bass/mid/treble.

What if I want mid mid?

 

[46and2]

What's up everyone. New bass player here, go my first bass a couple of weeks ago after playing guitar for quite some time. Getting into Electric Wizard, Sleep, and Bongripper lately, plus have been a Sabbath fan for years. Looking for my first rig, so I thought I'd check in here and look around. Not sure of a budget, probably no more than $700 used.

 

[ProgressiveDoom]

What's up everyone. New bass player here, go my first bass a couple of weeks ago after playing guitar for quite some time. Getting into Electric Wizard, Sleep, and Bongripper lately, plus have been a Sabbath fan for years. Looking for my first rig, so I thought I'd check in here and look around. Not sure of a budget, probably no more than $700 used.

Welcome to the Doom/Stoner world Dude!. This thread provides in depth analysis on all kinds of tonal options from all kinds of rigs, I myself wouldnt be much of service as I lay low and keep things old school with heavy gauge strings tuned to C and and use only one pedal witch is an Aguilar Fuzzistor. I myself prefer a single Peavey 15 inch speaker cab or two connected to a 1977 Yamaha B100 head or preferably my go to Traynor Monoblock B head. If you want to get complex you have came to the right place though.