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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

This is my nightmare. Loud heavy music is the static that lets me decouple from the constant input. Like sensory deprivation but with input... But only the input I choose.

Totally. Playing with a drummer is like that a lot too. Just lock in with em and tune out everything... the crowd, the guitar player (i kid../), our thoughts, the stress and depression from everyday life and all the OTHER BS that we deal with. Its good stuff.

So true. It can be really tough to stay optimistic at times. I finally just got a stable enough work/life situation to be able to invest some time and extra money back into music....and now I'm facing relocation in 10 months...

Over the holiday weekend I met up with another TB'er here in Boulder Creek and got to play on his badass fretless Zon for a bit, but we also talked gear and generally geeked out over music for a few hours. One of the interesting things that we were talking about was that WE are the instruments and how our innate sense of hearing the music, how we play and the emotion we put into it affected how we actually play our instruments. We got to talking about just sort of REALLY feeling what we wanted to play and letting it scream out. Hearing that music scream out from within and letting ourselves express that. There was a great vid he shared from a jazz musician on that topic but I can't remember the title of it or anything.

It put some nice context on the general feeling of being able to get some of that stress and anxiety and depression out by playing some loud AF heavy ish.
 
Stonedooomers, it's time to get serious about the Prays & Whoreship pedal I talked about a few pages back. I've got the ear of Dr. Tony Balls and he just might be looking for ideas on a new bass pedal (or at least he'd be open). This could actually be a thing, and it would be a great way to get this thread sh1tcanned for life and perma bans for all of us. So let's do it :cigar::cigar::cigar:

I just made a demo of his Supercharger:

 
Stonedooomers, it's time to get serious about the Prays & Whoreship pedal I talked about a few pages back. I've got the ear of Dr. Tony Balls and he just might be looking for ideas on a new bass pedal (or at least he'd be open). This could actually be a thing, and it would be a great way to get this thread sh1tcanned for life and perma bans for all of us. So let's do it :cigar::cigar::cigar:

I just made a demo of his Supercharger:



If he is going bass specific, it's always nice to have a blend knob or clean and effect volumes.
 
I'm cereal, bruh. Here's what has been proposed so far:

  • scabpicker: a dual pedal in parallel? Have one side be a just a drive/distortion of some sort, with a nice 2 or 3 band EQ. (I'd call this side Praise) Have the other side be an octave fuzz, like a Super-Fuzz clone. (I'd call this side Worship)
  • gfen: Just sayin OD into Muff. The DOD 250 into a Big Muff (GGG) sounds killer
  • Jolagh: superfuzz in parralel with like an octave up reverb pedal similar to the eterna pedal from mister black. With a blend between the two.
  • JBOWLES: fuzz/OD with independent volumes and blend
  • Novarocker: you could always have a single knob of vol for the OD, trim pot for gain if desired and a switch for par/series and then the fuzz controls. That could be one side and then something else on the other. Then again I'm all for dual dirt pedals.
  • rutrho: I've done 3 GGG muff versions so far, mine doesn't have diode switching/bypasses yet, but the other 2 I did had em and they're badass. I haven't gotten around to it yet but I want to mod mine for diode switching and then tone stack bypass here in the near future. I might try to marry it with a DOD250 board when i do that as well.
  • themarshall: Would it be possible to have 250>muff, muff>250 and 250+muff in parallel on the same switch?

Seems like the OD into Muff has been brought up more. Discuss....
 
I'm cereal, bruh. Here's what has been proposed so far:

  • scabpicker: a dual pedal in parallel? Have one side be a just a drive/distortion of some sort, with a nice 2 or 3 band EQ. (I'd call this side Praise) Have the other side be an octave fuzz, like a Super-Fuzz clone. (I'd call this side Worship)
  • gfen: Just sayin OD into Muff. The DOD 250 into a Big Muff (GGG) sounds killer
  • Jolagh: superfuzz in parralel with like an octave up reverb pedal similar to the eterna pedal from mister black. With a blend between the two.
  • JBOWLES: fuzz/OD with independent volumes and blend
  • Novarocker: you could always have a single knob of vol for the OD, trim pot for gain if desired and a switch for par/series and then the fuzz controls. That could be one side and then something else on the other. Then again I'm all for dual dirt pedals.
  • rutrho: I've done 3 GGG muff versions so far, mine doesn't have diode switching/bypasses yet, but the other 2 I did had em and they're badass. I haven't gotten around to it yet but I want to mod mine for diode switching and then tone stack bypass here in the near future. I might try to marry it with a DOD250 board when i do that as well.
  • themarshall: Would it be possible to have 250>muff, muff>250 and 250+muff in parallel on the same switch?
Seems like the OD into Muff has been brought up more. Discuss....
As long as it looks cool and makes fun of the praise/worship crowd, I'll buy one even if it's just filled with peanut butter, eggs, and dice.
 
The other, far more complicated, setup i said sounds good and is super out there is a prunes and custard and hm2 in parallel. Both are cloned circuits, and they’re way out there but sound pretty chill together. I should try to cut a little sample of it. Maybe tomorrow if I find the time.

I still think a simple OD into Muff is the way to go, though. Everyone loves moar fuzz. I guess I could make an example of that, too.
 
Hehee, @rutrho @djciano : I don't know if I have the same issues. At work, I had several co-workers who came by originally to ask me technical questions at my old cube also ask "Doesn't that noisy air conditioner bother you?" Nope, not in the least, I grew up in the flight path for D/FW airport. I could literally ignore a 747 coming in low. Jets are pleasant. I used to go into D/FW and wander around, partly because you could hear the jets doing different things than taking off and landing above my house. If I'm not outside, even a fighter jet will require afterburner to get me to look up from what I'm doing. I'll probably go outside and look for it at that point, but I'm that kind of binary. When I'm actually focused on something, I'll forget to put on pants before I pursue it.

Human voices asking me questions bug the hell out of me, though. If you're a co-worker who asks me a question a second time, I'm going to be a pain. I apologize. Your payoff is that when a customer does the same thing (or anything that makes me upset) on a call, I mute the mic and fire a long string of curses as creatively as I can muster at them for my relief and your obvious enjoyment. All praise the mute button, and e-mail, that the customer can at least re-read once before firing off a stupid reply (or I can re-read once before firing off a stupid reply).

Noise doesn't bother me, and I can switch back and forth quickly between focuses (nope, not the same as multitasking). Playing live is exciting because there's so much to concentrate on. Practice has the focuses of being on time, playing the song competently, and listening to each other, and having my backing vocals be somewhat on key. Four or five things? Boooooor-ing! But live when you have a crowd to react to, a show to put on, schedule to adhere to, etc? Well, now ya got something. I've been accused of lots of things accurately - an adrenaline junky is probably the most accurate, in moderate doses. I don't want every show to be a terrifying affair, but I feel like we're cheating everyone if we don't take some sort of chance with each show. It can be as mild as a weird set list, playing a song you have only practiced 1-3 times, or extreme as everyone plays nekkid while on mushrooms. Ya gotta take some chances, or it might as well be Broadway!

But then again, I have these band members who are almost focused on performing a reliable-ish show. We compromise. Sometimes, I'm the reasonable one, and somehow we keep getting asked to play shows we weren't seeking. It's a nice feeling.

So, long story short: I like to think I'm focused on THE BIG PICTURE, and sometimes I'm surprised to find out that others have a completely different idea of what that's a picture of, and sometimes they intersect nonetheless. To some exltent, I'm just a scatterbrained dingbat that just happens to have a knack for landing on the right spot. I'm not ashamed of describing myself that way, even if I'm certain to miss sticking a landing or two.

@cornfarmer : I will happily back off my octave fuzz lust for anything that allows me to run the fuzz-ish circuit in parallel with the overdrive-ish circuit. The DOD250/GGGMuff clone/mod/sorcery being described by rutrho seems like a sweet idea to me. The idea that themarshall has about different stacking options is intriguing, but it might drive up the cost beyond what might be practical if someone wanted to make a profit.
 
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Hehee, @rutrho @djciano : I don't know if I have the same issues. At work, I had several co-workers who came by originally to ask me technical questions at my old cube also ask "Doesn't that noisy air conditioner bother you?" Nope, not in the least, I grew up in the flight path for D/FW airport. I could literally ignore a 747 coming in low. Jets are pleasant. I used to go into D/FW and wander around, partly because you could hear the jets doing different things than taking off and landing above my house. If I'm not outside, even a fighter jet will require afterburner to get me to look up from what I'm doing. I'll probably go outside and look for it at that point, but I'm that kind of binary. When I'm actually focused on something, I'll forget to put on pants before I pursue it.

Human voices asking me questions bug the hell out of me, though. If you're a co-worker who asks me a question a second time, I'm going to be a pain. I apologize. Your payoff is that when a customer does the same thing (or anything that makes me upset) on a call, I mute the mic and fire a long string of curses as creatively as I can muster at them for my relief and your obvious enjoyment. All praise the mute button, and e-mail, that the customer can at least re-read once before firing off a stupid reply (or I can re-read once before firing off a stupid reply).

Noise doesn't bother me, and I can switch back and forth quickly between focuses (nope, not the same as multitasking). Playing live is exciting because there's so much to concentrate on. Practice has the focuses of being on time, playing the song competently, and listening to each other, and having my backing vocals be somewhat on key. Four or five things? Boooooor-ing! But live when you have a crowd to react to, a show to put on, schedule to adhere to, etc? Well, now ya got something. I've been accused of lots of things accurately - an adrenaline junky is probably the most accurate, in moderate doses. I don't want every show to be a terrifying affair, but I feel like we're cheating everyone if we don't take some sort of chance with each show. It can be as mild as a weird set list, playing a song you have only practiced 1-3 times, or extreme as everyone plays nekkid while on mushrooms. Ya gotta take some chances, or it might as well be Broadway!

But then again, I have these band members who are almost focused on performing a reliable-ish show. We compromise. Sometimes, I'm the reasonable one, and somehow we keep getting asked to play shows we weren't seeking. It's a nice feeling.

So, long story short: I like to think I'm focused on THE BIG PICTURE, and sometimes I'm surprised to find out that others have a completely different idea of what that's a picture of, and sometimes they intersect nonetheless. To some exltent, I'm just a scatterbrained dingbat that just happens to have a knack for landing on the right spot. I'm not ashamed of describing myself that way, even if I'm certain to miss sticking a landing or two.

@cornfarmer : I will happily back off my octave fuzz lust for anything that allows me to run the fuzz-ish circuit in parallel with the overdrive-ish circuit. The DOD250/GGGMuff clone/mod/sorcery being described by rutrho seems like a sweet idea to me. The idea that themarshall has about different stacking options is intriguing, but it might drive up the cost beyond what might be practical if someone wanted to make a profit.

100% can confirm. Ask me a question at work, get a snarky answer, but when the A/C turns off, and I feel it or hear it go... My stomach drops for a minute. I talk crap verbally at my emails all day but the text is so kind! I HATE sharp staccato sounds that require my attention... UNTIL I'm ready to give it, then I'm completely focused. It's the ADHD, but damned if it doesn't go away with loud, long, gnarly music
 
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100% can confirm. Ask me a question at work, get a snarky answer, but when the A/C turns off, and I feel it or hear it go... My stomach drops for a minute. I talk crap verbally at my emails all day but the text is so kind! I HATE sharp staccato sounds that require my attention... UNTIL I'm ready to give it, then I'm completely focused. It's the ADHD, but damned if it doesn't go away with loud, long, gnarly music
And here I thought I was the only one that sweared at his voicemails and emails at work!
 
And here I thought I was the only one that sweared at his voicemails and emails at work!

As someone who works on an it helpdesk. I promise that not only are you not the only one swearing at them. You arr probably less angry than most of the people i deal with everyday. For how much people complain about emails and phones while they are working. They absolutely lose it when the email or phone isnt working.
 
The other, far more complicated, setup i said sounds good and is super out there is a prunes and custard and hm2 in parallel. Both are cloned circuits, and they’re way out there but sound pretty chill together. I should try to cut a little sample of it. Maybe tomorrow if I find the time.

I still think a simple OD into Muff is the way to go, though. Everyone loves moar fuzz. I guess I could make an example of that, too.


I for one am very interested in hearing your examples.
 
What’s the Black Forest a clone of? I LOOOVE my Pharaoh Supreme. It has ended my fuzz quest. After owning one for 5ish(?) years, it’s still my #1 fuzz. Can’t imagine improving that.

I guess it is based on the Colorsound OD circuit.

Some additional info on it from Mark's blog:

"A few notes:ss/bs is correct, the middle knob is a switch to cycle through 6 different cap configurations to alter the voice and gain structure.

It is a bit dirtier than the original design, gets a bit more gainy, but still responds well to your volume knob. SUPER fat sounding when maxed out.

Was built for Wino at his request for a good drive pedal. After a few tweeks I thought it sounded so good, I couldn't keep it secret."

It's rad.
 
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some truly filthy low end and more.

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