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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

@scabpicker thanks man. I've been in auto coatings for a bit, but I know very little about the specifics of spray can and architectural paints.

Yeah, but that you know there's a difference puts you light years ahead of most folks. I helped my dad shoot a Truck with silver metallic in our shop once, and painted another truck white. The non-metallic wasn't bad, the metallic was a pain in the ass. It would sag if you just thought about it wrong.

Regardless of the photo quality, if it looks good at 3-4 feet you're gold IMO. The color and glitter look great and you can always sand and polish the clear till it satisfies you.

Indeed, it does look fine until you examine it closely. It's almost to the point where I can play it for an hour or so and not think "hmm, this is still a little sticky." When I can do that, I'll disassemble it, and sand/polish it one last time...hopefully.

I'm excited to get to dive into spray can finishing here soon. I've only done a little and it's much harder than with dedicated equipment. Also hope to get my hands on some of the old spray guns when we retool.

Nice. I've shot minimally with a gun, but done a lot more with spray cans. Guns are more effort in their own way, but I found it much easier to coat evenly with the nozzle my dad equipped me with*. The Glitter Blast goes on kind of like a powder finish, far different from the surface I remember being left by the super fine metallic automotive paint we used. Without the clearcoat on the Glitter Blast, you'd end up with glitter all over yourself. The auto paint was smooth-ish, even without any clearcoat. I may experiment with layers of clear sealer next time, to try to give the Glitter Blast that sense of depth that you see on boats. I've never shot that kind of heavy glitter on anything besides this bass, but I had a car when I was a kid that was painted in that bass boat heavy glitter. I always imagined it was layers of transparent embedded with large metalflake followed by clear which was sanded a bit after to maintain some semblance to a good surface, then repeat. I hope I can get a similar effect that way through light coats. I don't know, the coats were pretty opaque, but I want to try.


@scabpicker Your response is just the kind of map-wide word extravaganza I was hoping to encounter. My ADHD ass will fit right in here I believe

Hehehe, I like to think of myself as being focused...on everything.

Apparently I will have my very first "gig" in october. It's not a true, proper gig. It will be my drummer's birthday and he decided he wants to inflict the few songs we have ready to his fortunate guests :smug:
There will be probably something like 40 people, maybe 50, which is probably the largest "audience"(or shall I call them "hostages"?) we will ever have :roflmao: I don't feel ready at all, not sure why I agreed with this thing. At least the context will be totally laid-back and carefree so no performance anxiety. No one of those people even cares about our songs or has any idea of the type of stuff we like or do. Totally fantastic premise :smug:

Hey, the only rule you have to remember is: don't stop, no matter how much of a trainwreck it is. Play it to the end, and if it's off the rails, keep trying to get it back on. They don't know your songs, and for all they know that measure was supposed to be weird.

And always remember that the first time PJ Harvey's trio performed, they cleared out almost all 50 people by the time they were in the middle of the first song, at which point someone told the drummer to stop playing, they'd get paid the same, just please stop. Those folks had a decent few records, and she's had a quite nice career, but that wasn't a great debut.

Not yet, I've been thinking about doing one at some point. I kind of want to get a BBM and do some comparisons to mine to get a baseline for it, and doing the same for this next lot I put together.

Which is so far... shaping up to be 4. one straight 250, one of these acidfuzz things and two of the 250/ggg muffs.

If/when I'm getting one of the latter, I'll surely do a vid of it eventually! I've got a backlog of oddballs to do and another on the way. I've got to kick it in gear on those.

But! I just got a set of electronic drums. I've had an acoustic set for almost two decades, but the room it was in was a mess, with an organ and assorted amps and cabs in front of it, and you kind of have to be alone to practice them without being irritating, especially when you suck. So, I didn't practice at all and I continued to suck. I cleaned up that room recently, and started practicing. Unfortunately, this terrified the cat, who would live under the couch for a day after I practiced, and be COMPLETELY ON EDGE for days after. I think he was convinced that the house was falling down. He doesn't like a loud amp, but he'd forget about that in about an hour or so. This was a completely different level of terror.

So, I mentioned an electronic drum set to my darlin' (who also never practices, but will always be a better drummer than I am). She loves the cat, and loves me (who now has a long scar on his left palm/pinky from trying to comfort the cat after practicing.) So, she found that the Simmons SD600 was on sale at GC, sent me to go get them, and both of us have played more this weekend than we have in years. I'll need to move a mixer back into that room so we can play together more often without making the cat hate life. So, that kind of activity may eat up time that would be devoted to making vids otherwise. Ehh, I'll try to shoot the footage and record the tracks for two pedals tomorrow. I have the day off, and can practice drums almost anytime now.

The cat is still not a fan. He used to sleep on the drum throne when that room was a mess, but won't go into that room after I cleaned it up, even after the acoustic drums were stacked in the corner. He knows what goes on in there.


*Yeah weird sentence in the middle of a long post.
 
And always remember that the first time PJ Harvey's trio performed, they cleared out almost all 50 people by the time they were in the middle of the first song, at which point someone told the drummer to stop playing, they'd get paid the same, just please stop.
WOW :roflmao:
Once my drummer's cousin came at our reharsal space 5 minutes before we finished, so he had a hint of our stuff. His face was like this:

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@scabpicker Focused on everything is LITERALLY my issue. I can't hear one person talking because the A/C is running and the radio is too low, and the tv is on but muted and the dog is breathing and there are kids out front playing and the birds won't stop chirping.

It's why I love Doom and Stoner so much. If you can't hear anything but the music, everything is in focus. FINALLY.

;)
 
@scabpicker Focused on everything is LITERALLY my issue. I can't hear one person talking because the A/C is running and the radio is too low, and the tv is on but muted and the dog is breathing and there are kids out front playing and the birds won't stop chirping.

It's why I love Doom and Stoner so much. If you can't hear anything but the music, everything is in focus. FINALLY.

;)

Ahhhh, ADHD. There's also the stuff moving in the background, the trees rustling in the wind, the shadows from the lights, the person walking down the street outside the window...
I work in a super loud cleanroom so we have forklifts, scissor lifts, air compressors, plasma etchers, vacuums, drills and the ever present drone of the humidifiers and HVAC. If I don't have adderall or IEMs (or earplugs in general) with me I'm useless.

Loud heavy music is a total respite from the constant barrage of BS overwhelming noise. Wooo! Glad to have ya here.
 
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So, I'd like to thank @rutrho and @gfen for the help with my tone so far.

I spent a good amount of time this weekend playing with the settings on my modelling amp. Turns out the Big Muff Sim probably won't work for the tone I'm looking for as it square-waves and squeals into oblivion. I had actually had a lot of luck running the EQ on my Bass flat and running it into a Sansamp sim with the the drive knob a 2 oclock and the blend knob around 8 oclock. It gave my sound a little bit of fuzz, but preserved clarity and bottom end to a degree.

Either way, I'm now ever more in awe of how other bass players can get a fuzzy yet clear and bass heavy sound to compete against guitars and keys. Naturally if you guys have any tone tips, fire away.

Edit; If you're going to give someone a shoutout, spell their name correctly...:eek:
 
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I didn't want to do a full blown review, but I wanted to share this with you guys.
Just before we hit the road on our last tour, I got my hands on a Sandberg Grand Dark 4 string in matte black. I mentioned it earlier in this thread, but now I have some experience with it: I played it for 20 days straight.
I was drawn to the Sandberg, and especially this model, because of the 35" scale. Not many "factory" 4 stringers out there with the longer scale. Over the years I've found that the longer scale just works for very low tuning (we tune to "drop" A#). I kind of have to have it at this point.
Consensus: This bass rules. I love the neck. Big radius, slim, but not too slim, and the width is perfect: smaller then a P but wider than a J; why does no one else do this? Frets are PLEKd so just perfect fret height and oh so smooth. It also has a zero fret which keeps the action perfectly dialed in at the nut. Bridge is awesome. Tons of adjust-ability and stable as hell. Great mass, resonate. Sweet. Tuners are smooth and easy and hold. I just really love this thing, down to the bridge humbucker. As a champion of the P-bass style pickup and sound, I never thought the MM soapbar would be for me... but I swear if you mix that pickup in and put everything at 12 o'clock!!! got-ham! just a perfectly balanced clean bass tone, IMO. Here's the kicker, I've just run it in passive mode... I haven't even played with the DARKGLASS internal pre-amp. Cant wait to get a battery in this and mess with it. I am running an Alpha Omega now too, so it may be redundant in the end. Fit and finish, all of it. Really nice. Love the matte finish and smoked-chrome hardware... its really tough looking.
Complaints: I like fret markers on the board. On a dark stage, banging my head, I sometimes get lost, and fret markers are occasionally helpful to find my way back. The neck has side dots, which is all a lot of people need, but I would make them bigger (or Luminlays) if I had my druthers. That's it, only complaint.

This picture isn't my bass, mine has a much darker fretboard, but wanted to give you guys and idea of what i was talking about.
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I've gotten to mess around with a Sandberg Forty Eight [thunderbirdish shape/layout] a few times at a local shop. It too was absolutely amazing.

My Warmoth/Fender jazz bass is now my #1 over my other jazz. It just kills!
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The 48s are great too; I played one at NAMM this year. I thought about having them build me a 35" scale Forty Eight but the bridge is so low on the body, i wasn't sure it was doable. I've had this one on order for a bit, but the Grand Dark became available while mine was being built, so I was able to grab it up.

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My Warmoth/Fender jazz bass is now my #1 over my other jazz. It just kills!
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I love the look of that neck on your Jazz! I have a Warmoth/Fender P in the works, glad to hear you're happy with yours!
 
The 48s are great too; I played one at NAMM this year. I thought about having them build me a 35" scale Forty Eight but the bridge is so low on the body, i wasn't sure it was doable. I've had this one on order for a bit, but the Grand Dark became available while mine was being built, so I was able to grab it up.

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I love the look of that neck on your Jazz! I have a Warmoth/Fender P in the works, glad to hear you're happy with yours!
The neck is warmoth (obvious?). It was absolutely flawless and I would bolt it on anything and rock it. Fretwork A++.
 
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So, I'd like to thank @ruthro and @gfen for the help with my tone so far.

I spent a good amount of time this weekend playing with the settings on my modelling amp. Turns out the Big Muff Sim probably won't work for the tone I'm looking for as it square-waves and squeals into oblivion. I had actually had a lot of luck running the EQ on my Bass flat and running it into a Sansamp sim with the the drive knob a 2 oclock and the blend knob around 8 oclock. It gave my sound a little bit of fuzz, but preserved clarity and bottom end to a degree.

Either way, I'm now ever more in awe of how other bass players can get a fuzzy yet clear and bass heavy sound to compete against guitars and keys. Naturally if you guys have any tone tips, fire away.
Demystifying Metal styles, how to make fingerstyle playing heard in Metal
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Read the opening post in this thread for some good tips on having clarity in heavy styles and has some nice EQ info. Which modeler are you using?
 
My pedalboard for the foreseeable future. I don't see this limiting me anytime for quite a while...I'll need to get a lot better first. Plus I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the HX Effects.

TRS input (from my modded 5-string Ibanez Mikro) goes to the custom Saturnworks buffered splitter/mixer (though I'm only using the splitter half). One pickup goes via TS cable direct to one input of the HX, the other goes via TS cable to the Saturnworks Reversed A/B pedal. The other input of the A/B is my TS cable from my Ibanez SRMS805. Output of the A/B goes to the tuner, which then goes to the other input of the HX. The HX output goes to a GK MB Fusion 800.
 

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Yeah, but that you know there's a difference puts you light years ahead of most folks. I helped my dad shoot a Truck with silver metallic in our shop once, and painted another truck white. The non-metallic wasn't bad, the metallic was a pain in the ass. It would sag if you just thought about it wrong.



Indeed, it does look fine until you examine it closely. It's almost to the point where I can play it for an hour or so and not think "hmm, this is still a little sticky." When I can do that, I'll disassemble it, and sand/polish it one last time...hopefully.



Nice. I've shot minimally with a gun, but done a lot more with spray cans. Guns are more effort in their own way, but I found it much easier to coat evenly with the nozzle my dad equipped me with*. The Glitter Blast goes on kind of like a powder finish, far different from the surface I remember being left by the super fine metallic automotive paint we used. Without the clearcoat on the Glitter Blast, you'd end up with glitter all over yourself. The auto paint was smooth-ish, even without any clearcoat. I may experiment with layers of clear sealer next time, to try to give the Glitter Blast that sense of depth that you see on boats. I've never shot that kind of heavy glitter on anything besides this bass, but I had a car when I was a kid that was painted in that bass boat heavy glitter. I always imagined it was layers of transparent embedded with large metalflake followed by clear which was sanded a bit after to maintain some semblance to a good surface, then repeat. I hope I can get a similar effect that way through light coats. I don't know, the coats were pretty opaque, but I want to try.




Hehehe, I like to think of myself as being focused...on everything.



Hey, the only rule you have to remember is: don't stop, no matter how much of a trainwreck it is. Play it to the end, and if it's off the rails, keep trying to get it back on. They don't know your songs, and for all they know that measure was supposed to be weird.

And always remember that the first time PJ Harvey's trio performed, they cleared out almost all 50 people by the time they were in the middle of the first song, at which point someone told the drummer to stop playing, they'd get paid the same, just please stop. Those folks had a decent few records, and she's had a quite nice career, but that wasn't a great debut.



If/when I'm getting one of the latter, I'll surely do a vid of it eventually! I've got a backlog of oddballs to do and another on the way. I've got to kick it in gear on those.

But! I just got a set of electronic drums. I've had an acoustic set for almost two decades, but the room it was in was a mess, with an organ and assorted amps and cabs in front of it, and you kind of have to be alone to practice them without being irritating, especially when you suck. So, I didn't practice at all and I continued to suck. I cleaned up that room recently, and started practicing. Unfortunately, this terrified the cat, who would live under the couch for a day after I practiced, and be COMPLETELY ON EDGE for days after. I think he was convinced that the house was falling down. He doesn't like a loud amp, but he'd forget about that in about an hour or so. This was a completely different level of terror.

So, I mentioned an electronic drum set to my darlin' (who also never practices, but will always be a better drummer than I am). She loves the cat, and loves me (who now has a long scar on his left palm/pinky from trying to comfort the cat after practicing.) So, she found that the Simmons SD600 was on sale at GC, sent me to go get them, and both of us have played more this weekend than we have in years. I'll need to move a mixer back into that room so we can play together more often without making the cat hate life. So, that kind of activity may eat up time that would be devoted to making vids otherwise. Ehh, I'll try to shoot the footage and record the tracks for two pedals tomorrow. I have the day off, and can practice drums almost anytime now.

The cat is still not a fan. He used to sleep on the drum throne when that room was a mess, but won't go into that room after I cleaned it up, even after the acoustic drums were stacked in the corner. He knows what goes on in there.


*Yeah weird sentence in the middle of a long post.

Yeah knowing applications "science" has been very handy. Good to know about the glitter blast, I'll definitely be using up my scraps for testing that.

Oooph, yeah most metallics can be a pain but silver takes it to another level, regardless of what medium you're using. Silver metallic paints contain next to zero pigmentation. The aluminum flake is what gives it the color with tiny amounts of pigment to adjust shade. Because of that it contains a lot less of the nice sticky stuff to prevent sags and is very sensitive to the surface you paint...I hate having to troubleshoot that stuff in the shop. They always just wanna put as much paint down as fast as possible...never ends well.

Whew sorry to nerd out guys.

@oZZma that's great advice about just chugging along. I've learned that a lot of people didn't notice mistakes of mine, even if I point them out.

All this focus on everything talk reminded me of my daily struggles. Hell, I have a hard enough time keeping up with the thread here, but I love how it bounces around. I feel you guys though, our shop is the same nightmare of sounds. Wish it was safe to have headphones, but earplugs help. I wonder if that's why heavy music is so attractive to us? Let's us drown out the background?

thats a mood right there, woof. I haven't been able to find a stable band situation yet but at least I have good gear and a good job. LOL

Preaching bout the real struggle!
 
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Ahhhh, ADHD. There's also the stuff moving in the background, the trees rustling in the wind, the shadows from the lights, the person walking down the street outside the window...
I work in a super loud cleanroom so we have forklifts, scissor lifts, air compressors, plasma etchers, vacuums, drills and the ever present drone of the humidifiers and HVAC. If I don't have adderall or IEMs (or earplugs in general) with me I'm useless.

Loud heavy music is a total respite from the constant barrage of BS overwhelming noise. Wooo! Glad to have ya here.

This is my nightmare. Loud heavy music is the static that lets me decouple from the constant input. Like sensory deprivation but with input... But only the input I choose.
 
thats a mood right there, woof. I haven't been able to find a stable band situation yet but at least I have good gear and a good job. LOL

So true. It can be really tough to stay optimistic at times. I finally just got a stable enough work/life situation to be able to invest some time and extra money back into music....and now I'm facing relocation in 10 months...
 
This is my nightmare. Loud heavy music is the static that lets me decouple from the constant input. Like sensory deprivation but with input... But only the input I choose.

That's crazy. For me its the opposite, I actually get really engaged in what I'm listening to. The only time I don't is when I'm trying to sleep I need some kind of white noise (fan/TV/podcast) much to my GF's chagrin.