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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Baby steps. Find a clean tone you like with the bass preamp at noon (I assume it’s an active). Just the neck pickup, then adjust the bridge til you like it. Once your there, start playing with the amp til it sounds good and then if you want you can throw a pedal into the mix to try and make it sound like you want.

As for pedals, it’s easy to go down the rabbit hole. You don’t need to. Buy a cheap fuzz, the DOD Carcosa or EHX Green Russian are common and quality, and go nuts.


Or, you can go the route I went, and just go nuts and get a fuzz pedal that largely obviates every choice other than the settings on the pedal, the available watts, and the durability of your speakers. Honest to goodness, the first fuzz or distortion I owned that wasn't just the preamp cranked was my Super-Fuzz*. I traded an Ibanez chorus pedal for it. You can get Behringer SF300's all day long for $25 new (and there's someone selling a custom painted one on Reverb for $60, if you're into that). It's a clone of a Boss FZ-2, which is kind of a flexible version of my Super-Fuzz. It's not real subtle, outside of the clean boost setting. If you want to play intervals in unison besides a third or a fifth, you probably don't want this one. The overtones aren't exactly muddy, but there's so many of them that anything else gets lost in fuzzy static. Chords are just about always a vast sea of fuzz, even on guitar. You can tell you changed chords, but damned if you could tell which to which with any certainty. Buy a SF300 instead of changing your strings once if you don't already have a Super-Fuzz clone of some sort. Your strings will not matter at all while it is on, and it's just so heavy.

Ok, I lied. Flats wont make giant ROWWWWWWRRRSHRIEK noises like roundwounds will when you change position without lifting your fingers with a SF circuit. It will make much smaller rowwwwwwrrrrshriek noises, instead. That is the only real difference that most changes in bass or amp will make. Speakers will just struggle to reproduce the sound they're asked to make. In my experience, they all eventually die when you give them enough time at high volume. They are good soldiers, and will be endlessly re-coned in their quest to do my bidding. When it's on, you're playing a Super-Fuzz style pedal, which is kind of it's own instrument. In the 4003AC thread, there were some snarky folks saying that his tone made bass choice irrelevant. They're wrong, but if he was using a SF circuit, they'd almost be right.

A TO800 is easily had for the same price, if you want to try a Tube Screamer style overdrive. $50 for the pair. Both usable, until their plastic cases die. If you're crafty, you can stick it in a better case when that happens - heck, my SF has been rebuilt once or twice since I've owned it. You could do worse for less than a carton of smokes.

I'm not necessarily saying it's a smart route, or that you'll endear every band member that you decide to utilize the SF300 with. In fact, I'd be surprised if you didn't make at least one or two generally dislike you over the years if you love the sound like I do. But, it is cheap way to go the route I took, and I have few regrets. Octave fuzz is pretty great. The only reason the SF doesn't live on my board is that it is aged and beat, and it's gone on vacation at an inopportune time or two, so I use clones (and am thinking about building one). You will pry my SF from my cold, dead fingers; and it might be prudent to dig more than one grave.

Oh, and the most famous use of this circuit on a bass is probably this delicious noise. A genuine Super-Fuzz has exactly one other sound. The clones have like 7-8 sometimes, but that's pretty much what it sounds like:



Did I mention that I liked the Univox Super-Fuzz, and I think you should probably get a clone of one? You should ask me over for dinner, and I can tell you about it. Behringer makes a...



*My amp at the time was this exact weirdo 2x15 combo (yes, a combo). The neighbors were not a fan.
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The next owner of it posted about it here: Polytone Custom Bass Amp He contacted me trying to get it back in my hands through here, but I didn't hear from him after I replied. @cbegue , if you're out there and still have it, I'd still pay money for that freak!
 
Fender has the Rumble 40 studio and Rumble Stage 800, i think. The ones I've played with sound pretty good, but the normal class D amp cautions need to be exercised with them.

Lizardking... good luck on your tone quest! Its a huge undertaking and its easy to loose yourself to it, LOL. Also watch out for the dragons.
Do you have the footswitch for your amp? I had to buy one separately for my Rumble 500 head, but its nice having that additional OD on tap if I need it or need the high gain toooby sort of sound. Normally I play clean or into a DG X for a clanky sort of overdrive.

Thank you for the response. I've currently got the Studio 40, I don't have the footswitch yet, but apparently it does everything from Effects and preset switching to looping. Also, you mentioned consideration for Class D amps...anything I should know specifically?

Baby steps. Find a clean tone you like with the bass preamp at noon (I assume it’s an active). Just the neck pickup, then adjust the bridge til you like it. Once your there, start playing with the amp til it sounds good and then if you want you can throw a pedal into the mix to try and make it sound like you want.

As for pedals, it’s easy to go down the rabbit hole. You don’t need to. Buy a cheap fuzz, the DOD Carcosa or EHX Green Russian are common and quality, and go nuts.

Thanks for the advice, I'll be sure to start there. So my Studio 40 does have a pedal sim of the Big Muff (not sure if it's the regular/Russian/knock-off/etc.), any advice on settings for the fuzz pedal?
 
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Thank you for the response. I've currently got the Studio 40, I don't have the footswitch yet, but apparently it does everything from Effects and preset switching to looping. Also, you mentioned consideration for Class D amps...anything I should know specifically?

Its more of a caution for Class D heads... if you disconnected the speaker from the amp while the amp is on you'll let the magic smoke out of the amp.

RIP MCA.

In doom news, I had a hilariously bad audition last night with an outfit in oakland, not worth going super deep into but our combined approaches to making, communicating and learning songs and even jamming were so far off that i played maybe 10 notes. LOL

Mostly i'm just bummed i dragged my big rig up there and we didn't even jam over anything.
 
So my Studio 40 does have a pedal sim of the Big Muff (not sure if it's the regular/Russian/knock-off/etc.), any advice on settings for the fuzz pedal?

It doesn't matter, they'll all sound close enough anyways. But it depends, just mix it around. I haven't used my old BBM very much, but I always kept it with tone and sustain around 1 oclock and up (right now it's 12 for tone, 1 for sustain but it's been on a shelf for a year, so ymmv), with volume to taste.

But you just play with it 'til you find something you like. Can you like stack models in front of each other, like a little effects chain? If so, the Muff can sound even better when you push it with an overdrive pedal or if not, well, there's a handy pedal recommendation.

I think you can have a lot of fun with OD into Muff and with something fancy in the middle, like a wah, to just explore and be inspired to just sort of riff.
 
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I tired doing something like that on a previous build but it ended up being too much of a wiring cluster to try to smash into a box to really be worth trying to get dialed in. Maybe if I was making a board, idk. I'll try to backburner that idea tho and see if I can make up a PCB to handle that wiring madness so it doesn't just all end up being point to point.

Current plan is doing two foot switches, one for each effect and each having its own VOL knob. I'm not sure if its going to be parallel or 250 > muff yet. I think 250 into the muff would work better, but idk.

I'm curious to see what the results are with the LS2...
Sorry for the tease on the 250>muff ls2 experiment. My muff’s where I’m not; I’ve been working out of town and I’m about to split again for the weekend.
 
Sorry for the tease on the 250>muff ls2 experiment. My muff’s where I’m not; I’ve been working out of town and I’m about to split again for the weekend.

I feel like it's a weird flex to a humblebrag from me, but for those who can: try using your LS2 to have a Prunes and Custard in one loop and something that works with it (the HM2 pairs really well) in the other loop and run them parallel. It's my new favourite thing.
 
But you just play with it 'til you find something you like. Can you like stack models in front of each other, like a little effects chain? If so, the Muff can sound even better when you push it with an overdrive pedal or if not, well, there's a handy pedal recommendation.

I think you can have a lot of fun with OD into Muff and with something fancy in the middle, like a wah, to just explore and be inspired to just sort of riff.

I'll be sure to try those settings. And yes, you can stack a whole bunch of stuff Pre and Post. I had some fun the other night adjusting a pitch shifter with my right hand and while tapping with my left. I'm not sure how many you can stack, but I'll be sure to mess around a bit more.

I was never into pedals when I was younger so I'm learning it all as go.
 
Beastie's plug- I'm listening to the audiobook version to Beastie Boys Book and if you are a fan, it's a lot of fun! It's mostly essays by Mike D and Ad Rock with a few guests thrown in. It's narrated by them, Steve Buscemi, Jarvis Cocker, Elvis Costello, Chuck D, Snoop Dogg, Will Ferrell, Kim Gordon, LL Cool J, Spike Jonze, Talib Kweli, Tim Meadows, Bette Midler, Mix Master Mike, Nas, Rosie Perez, Amy Poehler, John C. Reilly, Maya Rudolph, Rev Run, Jon Stewart, Ben Stiller, Wanda Sykes, and Jeff Tweedy among others.

All in all, it's about how they were arrogant jerks who become self-actualized... sort of.
 
Beastie's plug- I'm listening to the audiobook version to Beastie Boys Book and if you are a fan, it's a lot of fun! It's mostly essays by Mike D and Ad Rock with a few guests thrown in. It's narrated by them, Steve Buscemi, Jarvis Cocker, Elvis Costello, Chuck D, Snoop Dogg, Will Ferrell, Kim Gordon, LL Cool J, Spike Jonze, Talib Kweli, Tim Meadows, Bette Midler, Mix Master Mike, Nas, Rosie Perez, Amy Poehler, John C. Reilly, Maya Rudolph, Rev Run, Jon Stewart, Ben Stiller, Wanda Sykes, and Jeff Tweedy among others.

All in all, it's about how they were arrogant jerks who become self-actualized... sort of.
I've just been listening to Check Your Head and Paul's Boutique all day...
 
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Or, you can go the route I went, and just go nuts and get a fuzz pedal that largely obviates every choice other than the settings on the pedal, the available watts, and the durability of your speakers. Honest to goodness, the first fuzz or distortion I owned that wasn't just the preamp cranked was my Super-Fuzz*. I traded an Ibanez chorus pedal for it. You can get Behringer SF300's all day long for $25 new (and there's someone selling a custom painted one on Reverb for $60, if you're into that). It's a clone of a Boss FZ-2, which is kind of a flexible version of my Super-Fuzz. It's not real subtle, outside of the clean boost setting. If you want to play intervals in unison besides a third or a fifth, you probably don't want this one. The overtones aren't exactly muddy, but there's so many of them that anything else gets lost in fuzzy static. Chords are just about always a vast sea of fuzz, even on guitar. You can tell you changed chords, but damned if you could tell which to which with any certainty. Buy a SF300 instead of changing your strings once if you don't already have a Super-Fuzz clone of some sort. Your strings will not matter at all while it is on, and it's just so heavy.

Thank you for the info. One of the features of my amp is that it has several pedal models built in. I plan on spending sometime playing with and stacking different effects. My current bass has fresh rounds on it so, I'll do what I can.

In addition I do currently own a Behringer BOB800 (Boss Bass OBD-3 clone) and it's a really good little pedal. Behringer gets a lot of crap in some places, but I've found they are very good value for the money invested. Do you have any suggestion for settings on a Big Muff or Tube Screamer-type pedals that have worked for you in the past
 
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Thank you for the info. One of the features of my amp is that it has several pedal models built in. I plan on spending sometime playing with and stacking different effects. My current bass has fresh rounds on it so, I'll do what I can.

In addition I do currently own a Behringer BOB800 (Boss Bass OBD-3 clone) and it's a really good little pedal. Behringer gets a lot of crap in some places, but I've found they are very good value for the money invested. Do you have any suggestion for settings on a Big Muff or Tube Screamer-type pedals that have worked for you in the past

Tube screamer into muff.
TS: Crank the volume, lower the drive tone where you want it. I tend to run mine in the middle.
muff: lots of sustain, lots of highs and volume to taste. Not super sure because my muff is. uh. Yeah. clean? shaven? Dunno. I can't talk about the stupid pedal with out getting distracted. ANYWAYS. Play with that ish!