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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

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Hola amigos, so get this, I finally found one of these things and it didn't exceed $100

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While I'm still messin' around with it, it's pretty burly. It's kind of got a gated/glitchy kind of fuzz going on. It has loads of gain and low end if you dime the distortion/normal knobs, and if you roll off the filter/gain it goes super dark and wooly. It can probably stand on it's own, but also I tried it chained up between the Arion Metal Master and Gunslinger and it's not too shabby there in various combinations either. Because it preserves so much of the normal signal, it can be used effectively as a boost, for your low end too if needed.

In other news I quit playing in a nice-guy surf trio and now I'm back working on my own sh1t again. I'll post something here in a bit...

Nice! Looks bad ass to boot.

I know this isn't generally a NAMM type of thread, but I didnt think anyone on the light side of talkbass would give a $h!t about what I had to say, so here is my report. burn after reading:

This will be brief compared to the dude posting 4 pages of pictures, but thought some of you might be interested in my mostly slacker approach to NAMM 2020.

I went to both Niko McBrain and Mike Watt's signings. Mike was really cool and engaging, though I ultimately walked away with out his signature. Just kind of hung out while he chatted with people. Watts a character. Niko? that line was too long. I just got a peek of him, snapped a pic, and left. Same with Nina Strauss. Though I mostly skipped that one because I know I would have frozen or drooled on myself; very attractive and too talented for my feeble mind to handle.

I saw Oli from Cattle Decapitation and Jared from Archspire do bass demos at the Dark Glass booth... Oli inspires me to play more and get better... Jared makes me want to quit playing bass and burn my dead body on a pyre of my personal instruments... he can't be human. (I also saw Dave from Cattle D and Dean & Tobi from Archspire do demos; freakishly talented. I'm not much of a modern death metal guy per se, especially not tech, but there is no denying the next level talent these dudes had)

Don't put your coffee near the Roland keyboard display. I got scolded hard, and the next day there as a barrier around the perfectly useful table.

I saw Wooten perform. He's amazing, though his performance had a couple of "weird" spots???

Dark Glass rep said keep an eye out for cool new $^!t in 2020 and 2021! Didn't say what, but said it was going to be "f-in sick"

Oh, I can (somewhat reluctantly) say the Ultra line of Fender Basses are the best Fenders I have seen or played. Very traditional looking, of course, but very well made. Subtle changes that I think make a difference? Anywho, They are very nice and I found myself really wanting a good old fashioned Fender Jazz (the nut looked and felt even narrower than 1.5) Neck profile is way better than my last Corona CA made jazz too. Anyway, I'm not a hater per se, because I essentially play P-basses, but I haven't wanted a fender in a long time, until now (not that Im getting one at that price) They did a nice job at their "booth" which was really a small village. Their presence was classy and very well done. They had great George Harrison display and an amazing Phil Lynot P-Bass there.

Marshall had some band just shredding on Sunday morning. very small and very young women playing lead guitar and drums; both crushing skulls... all while looking around and smiling like it was just soo soo easy. I couldnt figure out who they were, but it was impressive.

Hosa cables had two kegs of free beer. They are coming out with a new heavy duty and higher end slim patch cable in March... Ill repay them for the beer and buy a couple cables.

Sandberg basses rule. They have killer short scale coming out. They're using some new wood out of Spain and roasting necks in house now; so naturally they built a "jazz" that was under 6.5 lbs. Holy poopie! They also have a new version of the grand dark with luminlay side dots (which is something I would like every factory bass to have). I just love the way their basses play and sound and fell, love that they offer dark glass preamps to... and the people are just excellent.

I spent some time at the Dunable booth. I have been buying basses from Sacha for 6 years, and I can proudly testify that the quality has come to be great. Their home wound pickups sound awesome and they are doing some very high end, beautiful crazy, finishes. If you haven't checked them out, their designs are great. Highly recommend.

The Orange Bass Butler is the awesomerest thing I saw, hands down. I can't wait to have one. Ade Emsley hung out while we demo'd it too. It was a super cool moment. I dont think the demo in the video linked here does it justice even. Maybe because of Vmans style and his personal tone preferences. Anyway, in the booth, through a 4-10, it changed my physical makeup.


The Hiwatt 8x10 is ridiculous. Sounds so huge and somehow really tight. I don't know if its the weird speaker config or because there is a drop of Roger Waters blood in each one, but it's killer.

Earthquaker Pedals are generally excellent. The Hoof sounded great with the Mike Watt Sig Reverend bass. The Plumes too was great with bass. This pedal, the "Sunn O))) Life Pedal™" which I assume was the center of the "satanic company" BS, is excellent and could make so many cool sounds. I loved it. If I didn't have and Orange Bass Butler on the way, Id have this now. It appears I wont be buying it from sweetwater, who does not carry it...:rolleyes:
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Multiscale basses are actually easy to play, maybe easier! This blew my mind. I couldn't believe how much I dug it. The Dingwall and Kiesel I played both have me thinking a lot. Very high quality instruments, very comfortable, and the very long scale of the low strings should make down tuning for "doom" a piece of cake. If I hadn't just picked up a first gen Steve Harris, I might be ordering a 4 string NG2 or calling Kiesel about a build. BTW Jeff Kiesel is a really solid guy who treats his artists very well. Im not one of them, of course, but I witnessed this first hand on multiple occasions.

Check out Heil Sound Mics. Kind of crazy on the design side but some nice sounding stuff.

Lopez and Lefty's is a cool place to watch a game within walking distance (1.2 miles ish) with very nice waitresses, solid food, and a pretty good beer selection. Just saying.

There was more cool stuff to report, but not much, and I'm tired, so c'est la vie.


Thanks for the review and debrief. Never considered headless or multiscale, but Ibanez's models look great. Had no idea that EQD was going to do a regular run of the lifepedal. I wanted to try one bad, but not for $400...looks rad too. Honestly I love their stuff, almost every one I've had/have or tried has been a home run in my park. I am glad I don't have too many, otherwise I don't know how I'd fit em all on my board! I'm sure I'd force myself into finding a use for all of em.

I like Sandberg and Dunables offerings, too many basses not enough scratch. The Sandberg tbird and jazz they had at Huber played great!
 
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This is only somewhat on topic, but it’s something I’ve been thinking about; just how mandatory is that more muted attack in modern doom? I’m kind of new to it, I’m more steeped in Sabbath and heavier grungy stuff like early Soundgarden and Dirt-era Alice In Chains. If I turn up to audition for a doom band playing rounds with a pick, am I setting myself up for failure? I sound pretty heavy and dark, but I do still love a nice grindy attack. Something about how the edge of the pick catches on the round string windings just hits me.
It isn't a must, but it does seem like these genres are a little fixated on big muddy tones out of mostly vintage gear. I think Crowbar probably has one of the more up front attacks on their bass, but it is still pretty scooped and crusty. Spaceslug has pretty noticeable articulation, but again, it is super dirty.
My opinion is that it comes down to what defines the genre, and what people will be listening for. The tone Nolly Getgood gets, or that Dick Lovgren of Meshuggah gets wouldn't work in a country or gospel band, right? A P tuned to E with flats wouldn't work in a tech death metal band, right? A genre is defined a lot by the timbre of the music. Go listen to Omnific () amazing tone and playing, but there aren't a lot of viable situations for either.
 
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In theory you should be able to reduce the gauge of the string to get a less tension... then it should behave the same as a heavier gauge string on a shorter scale. At that point, it would be just the pickups affecting the tone. I guess a 105 might naturally sound a bit brighter than a 135, but it should sound more like the rest of the strings across the board, and no brighter than and E on a standard tuned bass. I for one don't see any advantage of a dead, thuddy, tree-trunk string; which is why I like the longer scale basses, generally.
Agreed. I really think a B needs a 35" scale.
What you said about a thick string is totally true. I don't know what people get seem to get that a thicker string impact tension, but the mass of the string impacts the tone as well. A super thick string may lack buzz, but it also looses a lot of clarity.
 
In theory you should be able to reduce the gauge of the string to get a less tension... then it should behave the same as a heavier gauge string on a shorter scale. At that point, it would be just the pickups affecting the tone. I guess a 105 might naturally sound a bit brighter than a 135, but it should sound more like the rest of the strings across the board, and no brighter than and E on a standard tuned bass. I for one don't see any advantage of a dead, thuddy, tree-trunk string; which is why I like the longer scale basses, generally.

I'm not so much in the cult of Dingwall that I'm going to say that a B string needs to be 37" to sound good, but what I will say about the Dingwall spread (37"-34" IIRC) is that it makes each string sound more consistent with the others. If I play the 6th fret of the B string and then the 1st fret of the E string, they sound very similar. That's not as much the case with my Ibanez, which has a less drastic spread (35.5"-34").
 
here's my sh1t, more to come (probably)....



Very nice. Good recording, to boot.

With patches, must have patches. :roflmao:;)

Dang, I knew I was doing it wrong. I have a biker jacket with patches. Haven't worn a jean vest since at least '86.

Wait, I'm also just in a hard rock/garage punk band, not a doom band at the moment. I also wear overalls on stage*. I have no idea if I'm dressed appropriately or not. So it goes. :D


*With god as my witness, I will never pull my saggy ass pants up on stage again!!!
 
Very nice. Good recording, to boot.



Dang, I knew I was doing it wrong. I have a biker jacket with patches. Haven't worn a jean vest since at least '86.

Wait, I'm also just in a hard rock/garage punk band, not a doom band at the moment. I also wear overalls on stage*. I have no idea if I'm dressed appropriately or not. So it goes. :D


*With god as my witness, I will never pull my saggy ass pants up on stage again!!!
Wait, we're supposed to wear denim and doom here? crap. I'm doing it wrong with my post-whatever-the-fsk-my-band-is
 
Very nice. Good recording, to boot.



Dang, I knew I was doing it wrong. I have a biker jacket with patches. Haven't worn a jean vest since at least '86.

Wait, I'm also just in a hard rock/garage punk band, not a doom band at the moment. I also wear overalls on stage*. I have no idea if I'm dressed appropriately or not. So it goes. :D


*With god as my witness, I will never pull my saggy ass pants up on stage again!!!
We talking bibs or a jumpsuit?
 
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We talking bibs or a jumpsuit?

If I could get my wife to let me traipse around in coveralls, I'd totally do it. But, similar to how she won't let me eat rodents*, she's also somehow totally fine with bib overalls that I've darned holes and applied band patches to in order to keep my privates private, but she thinks coveralls look like something "grandpas" wear. I dunno, I have no idea how these rules work.

I'm totally happy to be married to her, but I'll be damned before I'll say I've figured her out.

*Squirrels. I had to shoot them, they were living in the roof. That's when I learned that anything with perpetually growing incisors was right out, including rabbits. D-I-V-O-R-C-E Even if the cooking was done miles away from her kitchen, and the cookbook with a recipe was hers (she's from KY, after all). She's just weirded out by things with strange teeth, I guess. :eyebrow:
 
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If I could get my wife to let me traipse around in coveralls, I'd totally do it. But, similar to how she won't let me eat rodents*, she's also somehow totally fine with bib overalls that I've darned holes and applied band patches to in order to keep my privates private, but she thinks coveralls look like something "grandpas" wear. I dunno, I have no idea how these rules work.

I'm totally happy to be married to her, but I'll be damned before I'll say I've figured her out.

*Squirrels. I had to shoot them, they were living in the roof. That's when I learned that anything with perpetually growing incisors was right out, including rabbits. D-I-V-O-R-C-E Even if the cooking was done miles away from her kitchen, and the cookbook with a recipe was hers (she's from KY, after all). She's just weirded out by things with strange teeth, I guess. :eyebrow:

Wait, from Ky, not ok with eating rabbits? da heck?

Also coveralls are the isht. I have some carrheart coveralls for working on my jeep and they effing rule.
 
Wait, from Ky, not ok with eating rabbits? da heck?

Also coveralls are the isht. I have some carrheart coveralls for working on my jeep and they effing rule.

I know, right? Who doesn't want some rabbit stew? Elmer Fudd and the Tasmanian Devil have been whetting my appetite since before I could speak (and apparently, my first intelligible words were "I want that rabby (rabbit)").

And yeah, I have a pair of coveralls running around that I inherited from my dad somewhere around here, but he was 6', and I'm maybe 5'5", so those cuffs get rolled up a lot if I wear them. They rule when you have to do a messy job and don't want to get covered in the contents of Satan's bowels. Screw it, I'm supposed to go buy jeans tomorrow, I'm going to go somewhere where I can also get some snazzy coveralls that fit. With a stripe! Yeah, that's the ticket!
 
If I could get my wife to let me traipse around in coveralls, I'd totally do it. But, similar to how she won't let me eat rodents*, she's also somehow totally fine with bib overalls that I've darned holes and applied band patches to in order to keep my privates private, but she thinks coveralls look like something "grandpas" wear. I dunno, I have no idea how these rules work.

I'm totally happy to be married to her, but I'll be damned before I'll say I've figured her out.

*Squirrels. I had to shoot them, they were living in the roof. That's when I learned that anything with perpetually growing incisors was right out, including rabbits. D-I-V-O-R-C-E Even if the cooking was done miles away from her kitchen, and the cookbook with a recipe was hers (she's from KY, after all). She's just weirded out by things with strange teeth, I guess. :eyebrow:
Hmm. Devo vs Hee Haw. My grandpa definitely wore coveralls, but I don’t recall bibs. Get the short sleeve version and insist “it’s a speed suit”. Actually, they’re apparently a thing with youngsters these days.

Bibs - shirt = side boob, so you can’t lose. Bonus points for cutting into shorts above the bottoms of the pockets and wearing them to embarrass your teenage children. My brother has done this.

I wear both and have worn both on stage. Unlined zip-to-thigh bibs are my preferred kit, but the weather dictates lined lately.

Squirrels are damn destructive, and shooting and eating is the best they deserve.
 
I’m just lost in all the all of different types of clothes.

Coverall vs. overall?
Bib?
Speed suit? I’m only familiar with that term from the Venture Brothers - same thing?

I knew I was woefully uneducated in haute fashion, but now I find I know nothing about this aspect of fashion either. I pretty much wear t-shirts, jeans, polo shirts (for work), or shorts. That’s pretty much it, excepting major life events I must attend.
 
I’m just lost in all the all of different types of clothes.

Coverall vs. overall?
Bib?
Speed suit? I’m only familiar with that term from the Venture Brothers - same thing?

I knew I was woefully uneducated in haute fashion, but now I find I know nothing about this aspect of fashion either. I pretty much wear t-shirts, jeans, polo shirts (for work), or shorts. That’s pretty much it, excepting major life events I must attend.

Coverall: full coverage, like shirt and pants joined at the waist. sometimes shortsleeved
Bibs, bib-alls, overalls: like pants with a bib attached and shoulder straps.
Speedsuit: 100% Venture Bros reference.
It’s pretty utilitarian but there’s definitely some appropriation going on.
 
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I’m just lost in all the all of different types of clothes.

Coverall vs. overall?
Bib?
Speed suit? I’m only familiar with that term from the Venture Brothers - same thing?

I knew I was woefully uneducated in haute fashion, but now I find I know nothing about this aspect of fashion either. I pretty much wear t-shirts, jeans, polo shirts (for work), or shorts. That’s pretty much it, excepting major life events I must attend.

There's some overlap in the terms, but my understanding is that west of the Mississippi:
Coverall = Covers everything except your hands, feet and heads (hey, you might have more than one). May or may not be insulated.
Overall = Covers the lower parts besides the feet, partially covers the upper parts, suspended by straps and the "bib" of bib overalls. Usually has an excessive number of pockets and straps to hang stuff from. Can be insulated, but this is more rare than with coveralls. As themarshall noted, if you wear it without a shirt, the bib makes sideboob inevitable.

Hey, I can sit comfortably in knowing what I wear isn't weird. I have a co-worker who regularly wore kilts to work. Even if I switch to kilts, I'm just following that guy.

Edited to add: aww, totally ninja'd
 
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I'm going to leave you suckers in the dust...high speed low drag!

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If I could get my wife to let me traipse around in coveralls, I'd totally do it. But, similar to how she won't let me eat rodents*, she's also somehow totally fine with bib overalls that I've darned holes and applied band patches to in order to keep my privates private, but she thinks coveralls look like something "grandpas" wear. I dunno, I have no idea how these rules work.

I'm totally happy to be married to her, but I'll be damned before I'll say I've figured her out.

*Squirrels. I had to shoot them, they were living in the roof. That's when I learned that anything with perpetually growing incisors was right out, including rabbits. D-I-V-O-R-C-E Even if the cooking was done miles away from her kitchen, and the cookbook with a recipe was hers (she's from KY, after all). She's just weirded out by things with strange teeth, I guess. :eyebrow:

Hey! I’m in Kentucky! Lol My lunch was deer roast, so not a rodent, but still game. Guess I’m only partially there. Lol