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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

Bass fiddling night tonight. Been listening to The Bass Nerds and their two episodes featuring Jauqo III X. Fascinating fella, superb bassist, and one of the people who inspired me to pursue playing subcontra, so I've been thinking about that low end a lot the last few days. I want to push more audible sustain out of my lowest string. This is something that has been bothering me for a while. Virtually all its sustain is on the fundamental and the first harmonic at 21 and 42Hz respectively. So it's technically audible but it's kind of edging on it and doesn't have all that much character.

I tried to lower my pickups, but one screw stripped pretty hard so now I'm stuck with a crooked pickup until I get a new screw lol. It seems to work to an extent. The sustain is about the same level, but the attack is quieter, meaning I can push more volume to get some more sustain in the long run. This kind of goes hand in hand with my technique. I play hard. I should play softer and turn up the volume. Still, it feels so counter-intuitive to play softly when I'm trying to sound like an earth-shaking, mind-blowing wall of sound. Compressors do a lot to even this out for me but I could probably be getting more value out of them by adjusting my technique and re-tuning compression accordingly.

Other than all that I'm kind of out of ideas here with regards to setup and sound. The sustain is mostly on the first harmonic at 42Hz. The other harmonics fade pretty quick. Even if I wanted to EQ it up there isn't really anything to work with. I don't think the pickups are lacking. They pick up the full range of frequencies I'm looking at fine, so I don't think another set of pickups would magically make more harmonics appear.

The strings are naturally the core of this issue, but I like flats and I like these a lot in particular. To me, they have a kind of caramel timbre. It's very smooth, kind of goopy, but has a truckload of character. I can't imagine any other strings doing this better, and I don't know what I want if I don't want this tone.

I have been looking for a subwoofer but I've been through two deals that both didn't go through. No doubt reproduction will help, but it won't give me the 3rd-4th harmonic sustain I'm looking for regardless. Headphones are fine but it just doesn't have the same feeling when playing. And I think I need to be able to create a good mix without a subwoofer.

Should I go about and build a sustainer of my own or should I just rely on the EHX Superego? I haven't toyed with the latter enough to see how it holds up compared to natural sustain in that region, but I know for a fact that my HOG2, which also has freezing functions, has a tendency to lose some low end. I could easily split my signal, run one path into a volume pedal for control, and then into a class D pedal amplifier going into a sustainer. I honestly wonder if this has actually been done with class D amps before. Fernandes' designs have been around for a long while at this point and I think most DIY solutions based themselves on the tin can amplifier one. Just need to make a sustainer then. I've looked into it before. Not that I got all that far with the project it was part of -- I was getting ahead of myself a bit, trying to build a kind of kicked droning instrument. But building an instrument is on my bucket list, and I pride myself in my ability to half-heartedly attempt solving problems that no one actually had. So I don't think a sustainer is all that far fetched. I need like, a 3D printer for the bobbin, some wire, magnets, and a suitable connector.

Thanks for being the outlet for my megalomania, y'all.
 
Still, it feels so counter-intuitive to play softly when I'm trying to sound like an earth-shaking, mind-blowing wall of sound.
Don't think of it as softly. Think of it as coolly. Like you are a goddess, wielding her earth-shaking power by raising one finger a few millimeters. It's not megalomania, it's matter-of-factness. :)
 
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FWIW, the Stache beat all the Hoof variants (for my taste, anyway).

Same, the Cloven Hoof doesn't have enough headroom for me. Really, really squashed and compressed sounding. If that's your sound then it might work great for you, it's not mine though. The Stache is a great pedal, and if you're buying new it's even better if you have Ryan build it with the Heliotropic's tone stack. IMO the Helio-Stache beats the pants off both the Heliotropic and the stock Grey Stache, mids or no mids.
 
Same, the Cloven Hoof doesn't have enough headroom for me. Really, really squashed and compressed sounding. If that's your sound then it might work great for you, it's not mine though. The Stache is a great pedal, and if you're buying new it's even better if you have Ryan build it with the Heliotropic's tone stack. IMO the Helio-Stache beats the pants off both the Heliotropic and the stock Grey Stache, mids or no mids.
Never heard of that option. What's the Helio based on? Any clips of this Helio-stache?
 
Same, the Cloven Hoof doesn't have enough headroom for me. Really, really squashed and compressed sounding. If that's your sound then it might work great for you, it's not mine though. The Stache is a great pedal, and if you're buying new it's even better if you have Ryan build it with the Heliotropic's tone stack. IMO the Helio-Stache beats the pants off both the Heliotropic and the stock Grey Stache, mids or no mids.

Helio-Stache is a cool idea, I didn’t know they could do that!

One of the reasons I hesitate to recommend newer EHX stuff is the inconsistent build quality. I’ve personally seen, and heard stories about, all sorts of issues with their pedals, not just Muffs.
 
Sup y'all, its been a spell...

We got our album thingy finished up, finally. We also lost our singer, which was a bummer but oh well. I'm pretty much expecting to pick up vocals for the band going forward, but no idea how thatll work out. Also got my shaged up shoulder fixed, which is a good thing in-spite of being unable to play bass for a month.


Anyways, heres our stuff. Its kind of an eclectic mix but we have some cool songs in here.

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Hover Tank, by Hover Tank
 

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Sup y'all, its been a spell...

We got our album thingy finished up, finally. We also lost our singer, which was a bummer but oh well. I'm pretty much expecting to pick up vocals for the band going forward, but no idea how thatll work out. Also got my ****** up shoulder fixed, which is a good thing in-spite of being unable to play bass for a month.


Anyways, heres our stuff. Its kind of an eclectic mix but we have some cool songs in here.

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Hover Tank, by Hover Tank
Hover Tank? I was hoping for some sort of space-age floating tank, not a tank in which you hover... Regardless, good tunes! The singer reminds me of someone I've heard before, but I'm waaaay too out of it to place right now.
 
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Not much experience, but I haven't heard anything. What have you heard?

I remember a bandmate of mine had a couple EHX pedals that broke, and when he opened them up, he was surprised by the shoddy construction. It was obvious they spent very little energy on ensuring parts were properly secured and solder joints were good. This was 10 years ago now, so I’m not sure if their QC is better now.
 
Bass fiddling night tonight. Been listening to The Bass Nerds and their two episodes featuring Jauqo III X. Fascinating fella, superb bassist, and one of the people who inspired me to pursue playing subcontra, so I've been thinking about that low end a lot the last few days. I want to push more audible sustain out of my lowest string. This is something that has been bothering me for a while. Virtually all its sustain is on the fundamental and the first harmonic at 21 and 42Hz respectively. So it's technically audible but it's kind of edging on it and doesn't have all that much character.

I tried to lower my pickups, but one screw stripped pretty hard so now I'm stuck with a crooked pickup until I get a new screw lol. It seems to work to an extent. The sustain is about the same level, but the attack is quieter, meaning I can push more volume to get some more sustain in the long run. This kind of goes hand in hand with my technique. I play hard. I should play softer and turn up the volume. Still, it feels so counter-intuitive to play softly when I'm trying to sound like an earth-shaking, mind-blowing wall of sound. Compressors do a lot to even this out for me but I could probably be getting more value out of them by adjusting my technique and re-tuning compression accordingly.

Other than all that I'm kind of out of ideas here with regards to setup and sound. The sustain is mostly on the first harmonic at 42Hz. The other harmonics fade pretty quick. Even if I wanted to EQ it up there isn't really anything to work with. I don't think the pickups are lacking. They pick up the full range of frequencies I'm looking at fine, so I don't think another set of pickups would magically make more harmonics appear.

The strings are naturally the core of this issue, but I like flats and I like these a lot in particular. To me, they have a kind of caramel timbre. It's very smooth, kind of goopy, but has a truckload of character. I can't imagine any other strings doing this better, and I don't know what I want if I don't want this tone.

I have been looking for a subwoofer but I've been through two deals that both didn't go through. No doubt reproduction will help, but it won't give me the 3rd-4th harmonic sustain I'm looking for regardless. Headphones are fine but it just doesn't have the same feeling when playing. And I think I need to be able to create a good mix without a subwoofer.

Should I go about and build a sustainer of my own or should I just rely on the EHX Superego? I haven't toyed with the latter enough to see how it holds up compared to natural sustain in that region, but I know for a fact that my HOG2, which also has freezing functions, has a tendency to lose some low end. I could easily split my signal, run one path into a volume pedal for control, and then into a class D pedal amplifier going into a sustainer. I honestly wonder if this has actually been done with class D amps before. Fernandes' designs have been around for a long while at this point and I think most DIY solutions based themselves on the tin can amplifier one. Just need to make a sustainer then. I've looked into it before. Not that I got all that far with the project it was part of -- I was getting ahead of myself a bit, trying to build a kind of kicked droning instrument. But building an instrument is on my bucket list, and I pride myself in my ability to half-heartedly attempt solving problems that no one actually had. So I don't think a sustainer is all that far fetched. I need like, a 3D printer for the bobbin, some wire, magnets, and a suitable connector.

Thanks for being the outlet for my megalomania, y'all.
So many interesting topics for discussion in here! I briefly tried F# standard tuning, but honestly the thing I liked least was the size of that damn .170 string. It sounds ridiculous, but I just did not like the feel of that...it felt more like a cable than a string. Right now I've got my Dingwall in A standard with a .145 for the A and that feels about as large as I want to go. I also feel pretty happy with the A...for the moment I don't feel the need to go lower. Who knows, though...once my fEARful is done maybe I'll want to try F# again. I'm still very much interested in subcontra idea. I'd love to try one of those Quake multiscales but I don't know how that would ever happen other than me just buying one blind. For the price of them I don't see myself wanting to do that anytime soon. I'd sooner get another Dingwall, probably.

Has anyone here ever tried one of the Quake basses, by any chance?
 
Sup y'all, its been a spell...

We got our album thingy finished up, finally. We also lost our singer, which was a bummer but oh well. I'm pretty much expecting to pick up vocals for the band going forward, but no idea how thatll work out. Also got my ****** up shoulder fixed, which is a good thing in-spite of being unable to play bass for a month.


Anyways, heres our stuff. Its kind of an eclectic mix but we have some cool songs in here.

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Hover Tank, by Hover Tank
Good stuff! Your playing and tone really steal the show :thumbsup:

Did you use your fretless for all of it?
 
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Hover Tank? I was hoping for some sort of space-age floating tank, not a tank in which you hover... Regardless, good tunes! The singer reminds me of someone I've heard before, but I'm waaaay too out of it to place right now.
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:


Thanks!! We just lost him which is a huge bummer, but oh well. S!ht happens.

Good stuff! Your playing and tone really steal the show :thumbsup:

Did you use your fretless for all of it?
Yep, I used the fretless for everything.
 
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@themarshall, nothing wrong with that. If it sounds good, I am all for getting it cheap or otherwise. A bunch of mass produced stuff is awesome. It is nice to support small operations too if I can afford it.

I've been meaning to give the reissues a try myself. Which ones have you tried?
Triangle, Ramshead, Green and the Sovtek Deluxe. All save the green were tried out as they came through a local-ish shop. My buddy owns the green, and I’ve got a bunch of time on that one. I’d recommend the green, but that’s mostly because I’m kinda sweet on them going back to when the originals were cheap and plentiful.
 
So many interesting topics for discussion in here! I briefly tried F# standard tuning, but honestly the thing I liked least was the size of that damn .170 string. It sounds ridiculous, but I just did not like the feel of that...it felt more like a cable than a string. Right now I've got my Dingwall in A standard with a .145 for the A and that feels about as large as I want to go. I also feel pretty happy with the A...for the moment I don't feel the need to go lower.
Id bet with the scale on that dingwall you could get a nice sound and feel with a string as small as a .130 if you don't dig in like a rabid animal. The GHS strings have a pretty nice tension; might experiment a little.
 
Id bet with the scale on that dingwall you could get a nice sound and feel with a string as small as a .130 if you don't dig in like a rabid animal. The GHS strings have a pretty nice tension; might experiment a little.
Do you mean .130 for A or F#? I definitely think I have a fairly light touch...at least compared to what I hear from a lot of metal bass players.
 
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A. I play 35" scale and just started to play a 130 GHS @ A#. What's the scale of the Dingwall on the Low string?
37" ...Right now I'm using a drop A set from Payson but I have it tuned to A standard. The tension seems to be pretty consistent on all the strings with the .145 A and the "normal" gauge DGCF (I can't remember what gauge they are off the top of my head, but they're intended for EADG). I do like the feel of a .130 better than a .145 though so maybe I'll slap an old .130 on there and try that tuned to A just for the sake of experimenting.
 
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Thanks!! We just lost him which is a huge bummer, but oh well. S!ht happens.


Yep, I used the fretless for everything.
The bass playing is the best part of this. I like the vocalist's style too, not "precise", but I dig the idea. I'm sorry he's moving on but I wish you luck on finding a stellar replacement. Anyway, your playing and tone and lines are the most compelling part to me. Well done. I cant believe it's fretless in this style of music. You're a way better player than I am!
 
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37" ...Right now I'm using a drop A set from Payson but I have it tuned to A standard. The tension seems to be pretty consistent on all the strings with the .145 A and the "normal" gauge DGCF (I can't remember what gauge they are off the top of my head, but they're intended for EADG). I do like the feel of a .130 better than a .145 though so maybe I'll slap an old .130 on there and try that tuned to A just for the sake of experimenting.
Yeah man, the smaller strings seems to resonate better. A 145 at that scale and tuning might be tighter than most strings tuned to E on standard scale bass. Theoretically, it would be tight and punchy sound. Depends what you're going for of course, but when you get over 135 they tend to "thud" a bit.

EDIT: those drop sets are usually set up for 34" scale basses. Your variable scale bass should let you run much lighter strings and have the feel and tone of higher tunings.... again, theoretically.
 
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