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Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread, Part 90: Maxed Out

And here I was thinking we didn't do name calling on this forum....
The accurate use of adjectives isn't name calling. "Boomer" is name calling because it's demeaning and inaccurate. These are appropriate labels for people whom "name call". But I digress. I'll remove my offensive post.

EDIT: Sorry, I guess my time to remove the post has lapsed. In the future, I'll refrain from using colorful words when showing my distaste for people who discriminate on the grounds of age.
 
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A Russian model is definitely the way to go for bass if you ask me. My impression of demos was that the EHX sounded a little bit better than the pickle, but it was a miniscule difference.

Had the reissue EHX Russian, settled finally for the Russian Pickle. It sound way better for me for some reason. It has a bit less gain and it's not so loud, but just sounds better.
 
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The term boomer just exposes those using it for the lazy a$$hole hipsters they are. Baby Boomers were born between 46 and 64. A time when they united states was rebuilding from the war, recovering from economic depression, and going through some seriously heavy societal issues. Some of these people started and supported cultural revolutions like the civil rights movement. When the term is used, it refers to people who are older than the ignorant shag that is using it... simply because the entitled tw@t doesn't like having their lack of perspective, experience, or knowledge exposed. I'm not a "boomer", but I sure as hell respect people that faced tougher times and are more knowledgeable than I. The fact that they use the term at all just reinforces their own ignorance and lack of perspective.
The term "boomer" is not derogatory per se, I think... And I understand how it was used here.
But that "Ok boomer" catchphrase, which is one of the stupidest, meanest things that have been plaguing the internet in the last few years, made it unsufferable.
Ageism... Oh how cool, how daring :rolleyes:
 
Great color, looks sweet @lucas303!

Honestly it's hard to find all that many good demos of the actual amps on YouTube. So many guitarists appropriating our amplifiers! That said, here's a video from the company I brought up showcasing the pre-amps. The quality isn't the best, but it does do a fair job of highlighting the differences between the two models. They seem to have demos of virtually everything they make, with Sunn pre-amp replicas being the vast majority of it.



That looks like it could be interesting, but I can't run on 110V. Or with $300 + import fees without even a demo :p


Just found out about this guy, good price, and even better size! Haven't heard/seen any clips though.

just scored a fender pa 135 for cheap. 6x 12a*7 4x6l6 running in ultralinear. I'm thinking if i added a filament transformer i could run kt88/6550 and have a dual preamp (orange graphic/matamp gto and either bassman or jtm/jmp) into a model t-style power amp. loud and doomy as f

Like where your mind is at. Is the power section the same as the 135w bassmen ten? I've been wondering if that would be the better one to go with than finding a 100w non ultralinear one.

Alright, alright. I'll bite. Best mass-produced and readily available muffs. Go. Looking for lower gain distortion tones with a bit of bite and clarity, and plenty of bottom end. Quick round up of ones I've had, and what I recall. Not opposed to re-trying some, but don't want or need to go down a rabbit hole or do boutique. This fuzz will live on my secondary board, so I don't necessarily want it to sound exactly the same as my Pharaoh, but in the same ballpark. If I really wanted to spend tons of cash, I'd just get another Pharaoh Supreme...

Swollen Pickle - good range, but ultimately too fizzy for me.

Russian Pickle - my favorite from what I recall. Don't remember why I got rid of it, but it beat the Swollen Pickle for my needs. Towards the top of my list right now.

Bass Big Muff - volume loss, one setting unusable, standard issues with the circuit. Not too interested, unless someone can change my mind.

Bass Big Muff Deluxe - enjoyed the filter portion, but ultimately, tone wasn't as good as I wanted. Also not very interested.

MXR Bass Fuzz Deluxe - first "real" fuzz. Don't think it's a muff though. Remember liking it, and thinking the independent volumes were good. Don't remember why I got rid of it, but I've learned TONS since then, so it may work. Thinking I may be able to do something similar to my Pharaoh in that I can set the tone low, and blend in a lot of clean (highs on the Pharaoh) to retain clarity and definition. Readily available and often cheap, so this may happen.

That's about it. I've heard good things about the Russian Reissue EHX has done recently, but haven't heard one in person. I do like their OCD pedal on guitar, so there's that. So, what you got? $100 or so. Again, looking for mass-produced and readily available. Don't want to spend on boutique unless it's a screaming deal. I think I'm ready... (I'm probably not.)

Russian pickle, or maybe the op amp reissue would be my thoughts. I've wondered how the ibanez OD850 (I think it's basically a muff) compares. The op amp version sure will cut through a mix.
 
The term "boomer" is not derogatory per se, I think...
But that "Ok boomer" catchphrase, which is one of the stupidest, meanest things that have been plaguing the internet in the last few years, made it unsufferable.
Ageism... Oh how cool, how daring :rolleyes:
Thank you, that was my point. I thought we we're talking about the "ok boomer" craze, i.e. dismissing, demeaning, or discriminating against someone because of their age. If I missed something, I apologize.

EDIT: Sorry, I went back a few pages and I see that someone was using the term to describe jokes that they felt were outdated or bad. I was reacting to the trend or fad of discriminating against someone because of their age, and not what was written/posted here.... So, I sincerely apologize to those of you who felt I called them names. It was not directed to you, but rather to people who support ageism. I've asked the moderators to remove my post.
 
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Thank you, that was my point. I thought we we're talking about the "ok boomer" craze, i.e. dismissing, demeaning, or discriminating against someone because of their age. If I missed something, I apologize.

EDIT: Sorry, I went back a few pages and I see that someone was using the term to describe jokes that they felt were outdated or bad.
Yes, that was the point... I think it was used for brevity in this context, nothing more
 
That's about it. I've heard good things about the Russian Reissue EHX has done recently, but haven't heard one in person. I do like their OCD pedal on guitar, so there's that. So, what you got? $100 or so. Again, looking for mass-produced and readily available. Don't want to spend on boutique unless it's a screaming deal. I think I'm ready... (I'm probably not.)
Boutique but Idiotbox Effects is running 25% off until 11/26 and the Blackout or Hobo Santa Fuzz might interest you as they would be 96.25$ with the 25% off. I have their Landphil and Deathmaster and they are pretty amazing.
 
Thank you, that was my point. I thought we we're talking about the "ok boomer" craze, i.e. dismissing, demeaning, or discriminating against someone because of their age. If I missed something, I apologize.

EDIT: Sorry, I went back a few pages and I see that someone was using the term to describe jokes that they felt were outdated or bad. I was reacting to the trend or fad of discriminating against someone because of their age, and not what was written/posted here.... So, I sincerely apologize to those of you who felt I called them names. It was not directed to you, but rather to people who support ageism. I've asked the moderators to remove my post.
It's all good. I agree that treating baby boomers as a homogeneous group to ridicule and blame is pretty shoddy. If anything, it does a service to the people who brought us the current western economic struggles by deflecting blame from what is just an age group.

Just found out about this guy, good price, and even better size! Haven't heard/seen any clips though.
This looks very cool. Kind of leaning towards solid state in the end though. Listening to the demos (they're further down on that page), it's not doing much more than what I already have and I'm thinking what I'm really looking for is either the right combination of stacking, or an altered variant of the circuit that pushes more of what I want.
 
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The accurate use of adjectives isn't name calling. "Boomer" is name calling because it's demeaning and inaccurate. These are appropriate labels for people whom "name call". But I digress. I'll remove my offensive post.

EDIT: Sorry, I guess my time to remove the post has lapsed. In the future, I'll refrain from using colorful words when showing my distaste for people who discriminate on the grounds of age.
Well, you're not wrong.
 
Boutique but Idiotbox Effects is running 25% off until 11/26 and the Blackout or Hobo Santa Fuzz might interest you as they would be 96.25$ with the 25% off. I have their Landphil and Deathmaster and they are pretty amazing.

Idiotbox's stuff is pretty great, especially for the price. They probably offer the best overall bang for your buck of any pedal builder out there, not including Joyo and other offshore knockoff brands. Their Dungeon Master is also great, and if you're okay with spending a little more on what is essentially two pedals in one the MK Drive is insane.
 
@Novarocker yes. one thing to keep in mind with the bassman 135 is that they use global negative feedback which doesn't generally sound great with ultralinear (which itself is sort of local negative feedback, hence more output with lower distortion). removing that negative feedback and maybe changing the presence control to more of a vox cut control would probably sound a lot better
I'm thinking more along the lines of a hiwatt-type preamp instead of the fender/Marshall for the "clean" side as I've never been able to get on with the traditional tmb tone stack (i love fender-type amps using the James tone stack instead)
 
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I wanted to take my time with this. For what I think of as gnarly, and limiting myself to just Om, I'd say On the Mountain at Dawn closely followed by Thebes (the latter half of it) and Unitive Knowledge. It's amazing how many great tones Al has. I can't think of another bass player that has as many tones that are so good. My all time favorite bass tone is probably Chris Squire circa Fragile, but he didn't have as many different tones I love like Al does.

Note that "gnarliest" doesn't necessarily mean my favorite. If I had to pick my favorite Al bass tone that would take a while to figure out.

Good picks! I agree, it's really cool how Al has evolved his tone over the years, and come up with so many great sounds. The only "era" of his tone I don't like is the period where he was using reissue SVTs and Portaflex heads in his live rig. I saw one Om gig with that setup, and his distortion sounded really bad compared to other shows where he had vintage SVTs and Oranges.

I think I actually prefer his Orange tone over the Green Matamp. There are some live bootlegs from 92-94 that are probably Al's gnarliest sounds ever- vintage Orange amps pushed to the brink of death.