But you seem to keep changing your criteria and no matter what anyone says it's wrong. Seriously, just buy a used BF-2. It's cheap and it will at least get you 90% of the way.
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Suggest a flanger pedal
- Thread starter bassofthe
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Sounds like a plan to me, if he shoots this down yet again I consider it a troll thread and walk away ... lol ... no big deal, I was no help to him anyway.
Geez... Sounds like you need to talk to the guys over at JHS. They will probably care more about your criteria than we will.... Especially if you pay. Just trying to help! Good Luck!
oh FFS
I KNOW PHASER IS NOT A FLANGER K?
the thing is,your average listening joe would not know the difference between a slow rated phaser and a flanger ***
so if you wanna spend big bucks buying something, do it
but,please.....if you ever heard phase90 on slow rate,without knowing it s a phase90,you would all say it s a flanger.don t kid yourself.
and i m not suggesting anything btw,i m just SAYING that phase90 works great for me.thats it. and is sounds like a flanger on slow rate.to me.
hence you play bass,and probably gonna use it for verses,or bridges or over a guitar solo, this pedal WILL do the job
but if you wanna be politicaly correct,and buy a flanger,just to say you own one-do it...
i still think this is a good pedal for those slow woooosh jet plane up/down sound.which, last time i checked,every single person calls FLANGING,
SO yes it s a phaser
so what? can someone please explain to me what s the big difference?
is it illegal to use slow rate on phaser? and to say it REMINDS of flanger?
ffs even the guys in guitarshop.com stress this as a bonus with this pedal....
but hey,what do i know....go buy expencive flanger with loads of pots you never gonna use,just to say you own a flanger...pfff
cheers to ya all
I KNOW PHASER IS NOT A FLANGER K?
the thing is,your average listening joe would not know the difference between a slow rated phaser and a flanger ***
so if you wanna spend big bucks buying something, do it
but,please.....if you ever heard phase90 on slow rate,without knowing it s a phase90,you would all say it s a flanger.don t kid yourself.
and i m not suggesting anything btw,i m just SAYING that phase90 works great for me.thats it. and is sounds like a flanger on slow rate.to me.
hence you play bass,and probably gonna use it for verses,or bridges or over a guitar solo, this pedal WILL do the job
but if you wanna be politicaly correct,and buy a flanger,just to say you own one-do it...
i still think this is a good pedal for those slow woooosh jet plane up/down sound.which, last time i checked,every single person calls FLANGING,
SO yes it s a phaser
so what? can someone please explain to me what s the big difference?
is it illegal to use slow rate on phaser? and to say it REMINDS of flanger?
ffs even the guys in guitarshop.com stress this as a bonus with this pedal....
but hey,what do i know....go buy expencive flanger with loads of pots you never gonna use,just to say you own a flanger...pfff
cheers to ya all
and maybe you should try buying line6 tone core,you know,and create your own parameters of flanging..haven t tried,but line6 have these pedals that you connect to a pc,and,if i understand it right,you dial in all the parameters you want...or something like that..that could be the easiest solution..
I'll try this one more time.
My final criteria, not going to add, remove or change anything from here. I want a pedal, and it's important that:
These criteria rule out:
Which leaves (of those that were suggested):
What I'm asking for now is opinions on those two. Is there anything that should turn me off from these? If no one tells me why I sould not go for the Vortex, I will get one.
TL;DR: Should I get the TC Electronic Vortex?
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My final criteria, not going to add, remove or change anything from here. I want a pedal, and it's important that:
- It's a flanger
- It has controls for rate, depth, feedback and manual
- It has a pedalboard-friendly size
- It runs on center-negative 9Vdc
- It is noticeable on all strings and not too subtle
- It is affordable and available
These criteria rule out:
- Any phaser
- EBS UniChorus, Toadworks Barracuda
- Foxrox Paradox TZF, HBE Frostbite, Line6 M-series, Moog Cluster Flux, MXR M117R, Source Audio Tri-Mod Flanger
- MXR M117R
- Boss BF-2, Boss BF-3, Starcaster Flanger
- DOD FX-72, Jack Deville Mod Zero, Maxon FL-9, Moog Cluster Flux
Which leaves (of those that were suggested):
- Ibanez FL-9
- TC Electronic Vortex
What I'm asking for now is opinions on those two. Is there anything that should turn me off from these? If no one tells me why I sould not go for the Vortex, I will get one.
TL;DR: Should I get the TC Electronic Vortex?
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I have now made a final list of criteria, one that won't change. And the BF-2 not being audible on lower notes speaks pretty heavily against it.
I'm not a troll. It doesn't say anything in the rules about wanting to get the best pedal for my needs being forbidden. I'm simply saying what I want, and asking for suggestions. Not my fault that most of the suggestions don't fit all the criteria.
You do have a point, but I'm not about to learn a new programming language from scratch just to get a flanger. And why do you think I would be able to make a better flanger than anyone else? If I was interested in making effects, I would have built a flanger already.
You may not be a troll but you're definitely coming off as an unappreciative brat. No pedal will fit all your criteria - you'll think it does at first but once the honeymoon's over you'll find faults. Listen to clips of those two flangers (you can still get a good idea of how it'll sound on bass through a guitar demo) and decide from there.
If it were me I'd go with the Ibanez/Maxon over the TCE, FWIW.
If it were me I'd go with the Ibanez/Maxon over the TCE, FWIW.
Sorry about that, it wasn't my intention to be unappreciative. The replies here have at least helped me rule out many pedals, which I'm thankful for.
Of course, nothing is 100% perfect, but I would rather have 98% than 90%, which is the point of asking here.
I think they both sound good.
Do you find the Vortex lacking, or is the FL-9 simply "better"?
I'll remember that the next time I play my BF-2.
The Ibanez pedals have a habit of the footswitch dying and you can't turn on the effect. That's happened twice, but I love the Ibanez chorus sound so I ordered a Maxon PAC-9 chorus yesterday. Chorus is irrelevant, but maybe you'll have better luck with the footswitch. Of course the Maxon pedals cost $280 which is kinda ridiculous.
The TC's "tone print" feature may be interesting but I can't help but think it's a gimmick. How long before the software is no longer supported? I really like analog pedals, but that's my personal preference. My BF-2 still works even though it's 30 years old and I paid $50 or less for it.
Not trying to sell you on the BF-2 though, just passing on my experiences.
I am not a fan of TCE, as their pedals aren't built for longevity and their CS isn't the most helpful, at least State-side (many people have said the same).
Not my words, see the following two quotes:
I had one of the "green label"/MIJ 2's right before this, and my issue was with how my band downtunes, the 2 just didn't give enough "effect" to make it stand out. I would only be able to play the D and G strings which were detuned a step to C and F, so it wasn't that fun.
I'm careful with my pedals, and I don't think I'll need CS. The Vortex seems very versatile, with the toneprint thingy. Still think I sould go with Ibanez?
Doesn't matter. All electronics will go bad given enough time and TCE seems to have theirs go bad relatively quickly. There are also reports of TCE's arriving dead despite being brand new. Based on what I've read they don't go bad as quickly as EBS nor do they ship as many bad units as Electro-Harmonix, but I'd rather not risk it, especially with the bad CS TCE US has.
Again, if I had to pick between those 2 I'd go with the Ibanez, but TCE is one of the few brands I refuse to buy from. YMMV.
Again, if I had to pick between those 2 I'd go with the Ibanez, but TCE is one of the few brands I refuse to buy from. YMMV.
So, both the Ibanez and the TC seem to have a habit of going bad. And the only store I can find that sells Maxon pedals here asks for the equivalent of US$430 for the flanger, so that one is pretty much out of the question.
The pedals and the already available toneprints will still be there, even if they stop making more.
So, the only two pedals that hadn't been shot down already have reliability issues? I said I wouldn't change my criteria, but obviously no one will want a pedal which is known for going bad. You guys just took the last two options off my list, and still you are wondering why I don't just decide on a flanger? Are there any pedals that haven't been suggested yet, and that won't be slaughtered by the very next poster? Or was TheWoodShed right; there is no flanger pedal that will suit me?
It's all a matter of tradeoffs. Nothing is perfect and the closer you get to 99.99999%, the more you pay.
I can only find one not very good demo of the old version on Youtube, and I can't find a useful review with Google. It also looks a bit on the large side.
Of course, but I would think reliability is one of the most important points of something that is supposed to be used regularly. Still, Google hasn't shown me any negative reviews of the Vortex, while Ibanez' footswitches have a reputation for malfunctioning. I still think the Vortex is my best option so far.
i had the carl martin a while ago, not too big, goes for under $200. great pedal, must have been a really bad demo. sold it only for a need of some cash. mainly use the bf-2 which you don't want used, but it's just a great flanger, maybe find one in mint condition?
as much as i love owning $300+ awesome boutique pedals, i have a boss BF-2 and in the mix its always been lovely.
