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SX vs American and MIM Fender...

The point of this post is that in going to several shops I was able to play an American Fender, a MIM Fender and a used SX. The MIM and SX were in the same shop. I also played a few G&L's, a Musicman, a Yammi or two, A Warwick Thumb, some Washburns and an Ibanez Artcore semi acoustic, but they have as bearing in this shootout as the electronic drum kit and the Les Paul and Peavey guitars I mucked about with...

If my comments offend anyone, it is not my intent. If I do offend you, two things must be said, "I am sorry" and get over yourself. I am nothing more than a music lover who is learning to play bass and mucks around at home, for now. However the thought strikes me, there are a lot more guys like me, than pro's who make a living from playing bass, therefore I felt it relevant to post a review.

As to the three basses in the comparison, If I were blind folded, I could not have told you the quality difference/price/brand of any of the 3 of them. And, oddly enough, the American Fender had the worst fret ends of the 3!

The American Fender also had the worst bridge pup route with a gap of over 1/8 inch on the knob side, and a gob of poly running over into the hole. The Pickguard route on this bass was as bad, minus the finish glob...speaking of finish, there were several spots on this bass where there was a dark line in the wood. No biggie, that is part of the nature of the graining in any wood. But the finish had a noticeable raised area along with the grain. And by noticeable, I mean if you looked right at it, at the righ angle, from like a foot away.

The MIM was used, but still felt great! Lightly used I suppose would be a better term. The bass sounded the same as the American Jazz, and again, blind folded I could not have picked it from the others. The finish was still great and nary a flaw, aside from some mild player induced wear. But being poly, I am sure a buffing would have done wonders to this bass.

Now to the SX. I was really excited about this one as I figured I could pick up the bass I have been GASing for for probably 80 bucks or so, right? WRONG! They wanted 189 dollars for it!!

Anyway, again, the SX sounded fantastic, as did the other two although the neck pup was adjusted really low on the E string side. But this was a setup issue and no fault of the bass. The pickup routes were as clean as those on the MIM and better than those on the American Fender. The finish was, honestly? The best of the 3 unless you removed the player wear on the MIM, then I'd put those two equal. And once again, blind folded I could tell you the pickups were a little hotter and a little noisier than the two fenders, but not bad. In fact, the SX has the "vintage" sound many are looking for.

All together, all 3 basses were great! Each has a strong point over the other in terms of finish, hardware overall parts used vs. the cost of parts used. But none of them has the advantage in terms of feel in the hands, playability, fretwork, sound (other than the SX was slightly different than the Fenders)

So what did this say to me? If I wanted a Fender American, I would buy one, as I am sure the quality of some of the components was of a higher grade than the other 2. However, here is the crux of the biscuit.

I would definitely take the MIM or the SX over the American! If some of the components needed upgrades, a guy could do the swap of some screws, a bridge a nut and still be light years ahead of the American Fender in terms of cost, even if all 3 were brand new!

The "flaws" of any of these basses amount to a hill of beans. Nothing I saw would discourage me from buying any of them. Nothing I saw would alter the playability or sound of these basses and all 3 pass the 3 feet away test. I just find it odd that the highest priced instrument ran far and away ahead of the other 2 with the flaws.

Yes, I said it! I put the lowly SX in every way the equal to the MIM and on par with the American Fender I played! In terms of feel, sound, finish and playability! The American, I think, would probably stand up to years of hard use much better than the other 2, but that is only a guess....Do I condemn Fender or the American line? Absolutely not. They are fantastic instruments and the reasons to buy one must be something other than fit and finish, or even playability. Longevity and quality of the components would most likely come into play 20 years down the road. But If I bough a new SX every 10 years.......

And before I get tossed into a boiling lake of lava, I said all 3 basses were great basses, just different. What this comparison really proved to me was that there are quality, very playable, entry priced instruments out there and a guy or gal can get interested in and begin playing without a huge outlay of cash. And, still get an instrument that will serve you well. And it proves to me that arguing over which one is better or condemning someone for buying a low cost, quality instrument is just silly.

Aerosmith said it best, "Let the music do the talking."

I do have pics of the SX and MIM, and as soon as I figure out how to get the damned silly things off my cell phone, I'll post them here.....but really one id me playing the SX and one is me playing the MIM and one is the price tag of the SX...what would that prove to the point of the review?
 
Your comparison of the SX, MIM Fender and US Fender only used 3 random basses. I don't know if you are familiar with the "law of averages" but if you were to take 10 samples from each of those 3 models I am sure you would have came to a different conclusion. You have only sampled random basses, when you have played more than one of each model it will open your mind to what some basses are really capable of. Too many players judge a brand or model by only "sampling" one. Other things you haven't considered is that some basses are capable of much better setups etc....a store is not the best place to judge a bass on what it can or cannot do.:smug:
 
good review

honestly i dont even care about brand names i'll play a MIM anyday never had an sx tho

i dont need a 3,000$ bass, would i sound better? maybe a little but the quality i in my fingers

get an sx and if the ox was still aliev he'd blow your mind with it
 
I've got an '08 MIA Precision, and considering some of the neck problems I've had and the shoddy, second-rate finish quality on the body, had I known more about basses than I did when I bought it, I would have bought something else. I love Precisions - the tone, the neck, and the body style. But my particular model leaves a lot to be desired.

There are some upgrades I've going to invest in this summer, but I don't think I'll be buying a Fender again anytime soon. At least, not a new one.
 
I am surprised to hear about problem with the '08 MIA P. I also have one, it is is really the finest bass I have played in terms of feel, fit and finish. Every time I pick it up I marvel at how great the neck feels. For example, the frets just seem to blend into the neck without any ends. The rest of it is just marvelous - well worth every penny. I guess that the law of averages swings both ways, and I was a lucky one.

I had earlier bought an Beautiful SX P. While the finish and sound was very good, the pickups were off center and I could not get the setup to where I liked it, so it went back.

Sorry for your problems!
 
I've been flamed many times and accused of heresy for being just as honest as you, ProfGumby. I've played great examples of MIA, MIJ and MIM Fenders but I've also played serious dogs with the Fender name regardless of where it was manufactured. Regarding those basses that were prime examples of their ilk, do I think they were $400-$1300 better than any of my SXs (or Squiers)? Hell no! Other bassists, particularly the patronizing Fender players, try to insult and convince me that one day I'll understand the differences between a real Fender and a mere copy and will eventually buy an MIA once I can afford to. The funny thing is it's not a question of whether I can afford a few MIA's... it's whether I can justify spending the money when I can easily get a good solid bass for less than $150, give it a fret leveling if it needs it, a decent setup and then have a good looking, reliable, great sounding and playing working-man's bass. To me the Fender logo isn't worth paying an extra $400-$1300 for.
 
While a well typed out review, reviews in general are, alas, pointless. Why? Because you can advocate the heck out of a certain bass, and someone can come along and shoot it down.

I am no fender advocate by any means ((though I do own fender gear at the moment)). I have played many other basses and loved them. But these essex basses. I don't understand them. There are a few in my area, all well set-up to their individual owners preferences. I've played 3 out of four of them, and I can honestly say that I was...underwhelmed. Decent basses for the money, and good investments for future modification plans, but they were by no means a fender or a higher end squier.

But bear in mind that I speak from my own opinion. For example, I feel that my MiM Pbass outclasses most of the CiJ basses I've played. And don't get me wrong, if essex basses were more available in stores, they would be fantastic beginner basses. But after the cost of shipping and set-up, that $99 bass is more like $250, and you are honestly better off purchasing a squier affinity model, as far as beginners go.

That all being said, once a bass gets modified, it really doesn't matter. An essex pbass with QPs dropped, 500k pots, highmass bridge, and hipshot tuners is gonna sound just like an mia fender, more or less. The same is true of a MiM, CiJ, or squier. But as far as stock goes, based of my experience SO FAR, I can never accept that the average set-up essex is even in the same playing field as the average set-up MIA/MIM fender.
 
Why are people so surprised that SX makes pretty decent instruments? I would rank an SX with a MIM Fender any day. I would give the edge to the MIA Fender in terms of electronics and build quality. The quality o the MIA electronics is good and Fender Noiseless pickups are top notch in my opinion. I've found that build quality on the MIA basses are pretty uniformly good.
 
i think to judge you would need 10 random sample american fenders, MIM, and SX. directly from the factory, not ones that have sat in a store. i don't think you can even get a fraction of the picture of an entire line by playing a couple in the store. so i think the best possible review would be a 10 random sample group hot of the presses of each guitar. only then would it be an actual product review and not just an experience that you had. i don't mean any offense in this whatsoever to your review haha
 
You took the time and energy to play each bass and write a review, but the only reviews I pay real attention to are the ones in notable bass magazine articles.

I've never played an SX, I'd like to just to see and feel what all the buzz is about. I have played MIM Fenders, their OK and am the proud owner of an '08' MIA Fender Jazz V. The American Jazz V that I own is a superior quality bass guitar. The materials, pups, hardware, tuners, electronics - everything about the bass is far above average (whatever average is). I've played too many years to want to settle for anything less than an American made Fender, but I find myself more and more each day tempted to go out and buy a SX Jazz just so I can personally say and post comments about SX basses.

The SX to me is like a haircut, you hang out in a barber shop long enough sooner or later your gonna end up with a haircut - I feel it coming on.:rolleyes:
 
Thanks for the review, Prof. When I first started hearing the hype here on TB about SX basses, I figured people were exaggerating. Obviously, bass snobbery comes in many forms. But it's always tempting to say that a really inexpensive bass is as good as, or better than, a more-expensive one--we all love feeling like we got a great deal. Plus, knocking down the 800-lb. gorilla (Fender) in any industry is another natural instinct.

But the positive reviews for these basses are just overwhelming now. So many have pounded the table for them, people who have damned fine instruments in their arsenals.And they certainly look good! If I could justify another bass, I'd order one of these right now.

But after the cost of shipping and set-up, that $99 bass is more like $250
Shipping a bass anywhere in the lower 48 should cost less than $50--closer to $25 in a lot of cases. (I just checked, and it would be only $15.34 to get an SX to my zip code!) And you can easily get a great setup for less than $50.
 
Someone asked who brought the popcorn, I brought a 10 pound bag, It's over by the door - help yourself! :D

Seriously, great responses here, And to be fair, I know that even a 10 of each bass comparison will still draw interest, even fire.

The whole point I was trying to make was the feel and playability of all 3 of these basses has generally been, in my experience, pretty near equal. Blindfolded and handed a bass I think few would be able to tell them apart. 20 years down the road, the same three basses all 3 well played? Things might be different.

There is obviously something in the construction of these 3 different basses that has to set them apart, other than the higher American labor rate....right? Better quality chrome plating? Screws? etc? But as far as playing all 3, well you read it before.

This is not the first time I have had the opportunity to play a Fender and an SX side by side. It is the first time that I was able to play a Fender and an SX through the same amp, same settings and all....I guess I have to retract that. I can do it side by side every night. My Squier VM Jazz is technically a Fender, right?:smug: *ducking for cover*

I have been stomping around on the planet for over 40 years, and have been lured to the bass since I was 16. In this time I have handled hundreds of fenders. I have played under 10 SX basses. But every one of the SX basses has had the same consistent quality level. And pretty much the same for the fenders, especially the current years. To me that says something.

I have never found a true dog as far as Fenders are concerned. Also, I keep hearing how inconsistent the SX are in terms of QG. I have not seen one yet! I have 3 of them, and have handled 2 other necks and I have played a few in the shops. Nothing bad to say about any of them. Maybe I need to buy some more SX and see?:D

What I should really do is just buy a sodding Fender and then play it alongside my other basses. Then in 10 years I can do a Fender/SX/Squier review? (BTW, if I was not otherwise obligated right now as far as my funds go, that Midnight Wine MIM might have gone home with me)

To be honest, the bass that surprised the snot out of me today was the Ibanez Artcore! But then that is a whole different post....:cool:
 
I predict that this will be a very long thread. :)

I agree to a certain extent with the need for more samples, but on the other hand, an MIA Fender shouldn't really ever have the kind of flaws ProfGumby found. Not for the price they are asking. I almost never heard of these kind of problems on MIA Carvin, Music Man or G&L basses, for instance.

Still, I have to add, I do really like Fenders. I just think they cost too much.
 
Hi everyone this is my first post on talkbass. I've really been enjoying this forum over the last few months and I've gained much great info hear.

My 2 cents on the MIM and MIA Jazz's. I own a MIM jazz (an 2006 model) and although I'm now a bass expert I like it lot. The neck is good, no dead frets and it sounds great to me. I've played a few of these and the ones I've played have been good. I've also played 3 MIA Jazz and ones I played I thought were better in a few ways. They seemed better finished, particularly the necks (rolled necks, better finished frets, better finish). They also had a little richer sound. The whole feel of the instrument just seemed to be of higher quality. Twice I've a/b'd them at guitar center in a Mark Bass amp. I liked the MIA better but the MIM I would say were about 85% to 90% as good as the MIA models. The question for me was one of price justification. For me, with my abilities as a bass player, the MIM is fine. It does the job although I'm sure it's not the end all be all of Jazz basses. As I get better as a player, and if I find something that knocks my sox off I'll probably buy it. I always seem to find a reason to buy something.
 
I played an SX P bass a couple years ago. My band (all of whom worked at the same company) decided to have a lunch-time rehearsal, and I did not have my bass. The KB player had an SX I could use. I had no idea it was a $110 bass. I would've guessed it to be in the MIM price range. Not only was it playable, it was very pleasurable to play.