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TC Electronic controversy...solved.

#161
nostatic said:
so you're either:

a) an attorney
b) a marketing guy
c) a TC shill

Or maybe all of the above :D

Some serious semantic shaving (oooh, alliteration!) going on here. In the spectrum of marketing liberties TC went a tad far according to almost everyone who followed the situation. I personally don't care as I found their CS to be unsatisfactory and as a result I won't buy or own any TC products. There are too many good companies out there that are honest with their marketing and responsive with their CS. As always ymmv, offer void where prohibited, see dealer for details.
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No, none of the above and just

d) bored

with the ongoing bashing whenever TC is mentioned, when it is indeed just marketing going a tad to far.
 
#162
I wouldn't say "a tad too far" in the case of TC. It was WAY far as far as I'm concerned. But again, while the chart at the bottom of the APM PDF isn't exactly the same as putting it on all advertising, it's officially printed somewhere, and baby steps are better than no steps at all.
 
#163
Putting 450W because it sounds like 450W is BS, watts never was a measurement for volume, unless if you're measuring acoustic power.

Rating an amp by the maximum output of the power module, which isn't directly accessible to the user is meaningless too, you might as well be wow-ing the customers with how much power they draw from the wall, it'll be even bigger!

Measurements are standardized for a reason, to allow customers to better compare products and find what suits their needs the best. If every company ran off and marketed non-standardized specs, the customers are the ones who ultimately loses.

Still, for those who like their TC amps, all the more power to you, and I'm glad you like yours.
 
#166
Yes, I did in get mine after I found out, but I had to be told. I had no idea what was going on, it wasn't fair or just. But measures have been taken now, and I hold nothing against them.

I made my decision based on price and feature set, and they're both very competitive factors. I haven't been let down. Sure, if it were actually a 500watt head then I dare say it'd be even louder. But I don't feel like it needs to be really.

For those who don't know of the real power, or even if we never found out, would we not still be believing that the wattage was what it was advertised as?
 
#167
Well I can tell a compressed and high passed amp from a non-compressed and non-high-passed amp, so while I might believe their claims, I would still think something was up, no doubt about it.
 
#168
JimmyM said:
Well I can tell a compressed and high passed amp from a non-compressed and non-high-passed amp, so while I might believe their claims, I would still think something was up, no doubt about it.
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Fair enough, I see that some people just know what they're listening for, whereas someone like me who is totally clueless would never have noticed :P

I'm certainly starting to hear this whole compressed sound, I didn't get it before. I'm totally new to the whole amp scene, but in all fairness I quite like the compression.
 
#172
Menno said:
That's a perfect example and no it wouldn't be lying. And it isn't weak reasoning, it's a fact.

And the TH450 can output 450W for 20ms without APM and 800W peak with APM. If that's not the case they would be lying, cause there are no blank spots open for assumption, in their powerrating document.

I couldn't care less about TC, but people falling for marketingtricks and pointing fingers to someone else...

Assumption is the mother of all f**kups.
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So If you say $500, I can't *assume* you meant 500 US dollars. Nice moral values.

I hope you're just trolling with these ridiculous statements, but I won't stick around to find out.
 
#173
Talking about marketing:

In the advert for the GK MB800 it says:

Smallest. Lightest. Loudest.

4.9 lbs
800 watts
fits in a gigbag

Is this lying?

I know smaller, lighter and louder amps. Or do they mean smaller, lighter and louder then any other amp they make themselves? And would that be true?

Just saying, marketing is a vicious beast.
 
#174
smeet said:
So If you say $500, I can't *assume* you meant 500 US dollars. Nice moral values.

I hope you're just trolling with these ridiculous statements, but I won't stick around to find out.
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If i say $500 you can assume i mean 500 dollars, hence the dollarsign. If i just say 500 you could assume dollars but it would be euros since i live in Europe. You can't honestly call me a liar for the fact that YOU make an assumption.

If you don't agree with me, how does that make me a troll? Is this World of warcraft forum or something?
 
#176
I would like to give my two cents about the power issue.
Just came up with this example.

I had been debating that nobody needs the Blacksmith,
because two RH750s can do everything cheaper and smaller.

Say I have two big 4ohm 215.
I reason that each can't actually take more than 750w.
So, one RH750 is plenty for each 215.
And I can take both rigs for the insane gig, right.

But, if the RH750 is "only" 300w, then everything changes...
The 215 can certainly goes louder than the RH750 is capable of,
and the Blacksmith would be a better choice if one wants to stay within the TCE voicing.

I think it is irresponsible of the manufacturer to give inaccurate spec,
regardless even if the perceived result would be adequate for most intended purpose.
 
#179
Menno said:
Talking about marketing:

In the advert for the GK MB800 it says:

Smallest. Lightest. Loudest.

4.9 lbs
800 watts
fits in a gigbag

Is this lying?

I know smaller, lighter and louder amps. Or do they mean smaller, lighter and louder then any other amp they make themselves? And would that be true?

Just saying, marketing is a vicious beast.
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Just stop it. Nobody's falling for your BS. If you can't tell the difference between an ad campaign and a list of specs, you're either full of crap or I feel very sorry for you.
 

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