I had a Schroeder 15+L myself, but sold it before I got the RH450, so I can't really comment on that combo. The cabinet is very loud and punchy for it's size, but it was so shy in the lows that the volume was wasted for me personally. Anytime I needed that kind of volume, I also need a good solid low-end. This relegated the cab to small low-volume use, and even then I just decided that it wasn't my cup of tea. I would think that the RH450 would pair up well with the Schroeder 15+L, better than many other heads at least, since the default frequency center on the RH450 is set rather high. It should let you dial in lots of the lows and low-mids to make it sound a bit fuller.
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TC Electronic RH450, RS210, RS212 Review Thread
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I'm sure if I mess with it more I'll find some tone that works for me. The Schro's (even the new front firing) all have that droning mids that can be hard to tame or even out. This of course is what makes them work well and always cut the mix. I admit it's never been 'my tone' though. And yes, the RH450 has a great eq and can really add some lows etc. I think in this case it might be best to find the offending frequency and cut it some. I'll play around with it for sure.
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I just thought I'd tell everyone I just ordered the Staccato '51. I'm going to do an A/B video against the RH450. Hopefully I'll have it done by the first week or so of December...
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Dr Funk
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Had the RH450 on an outdoor gig last night. Played it through a UL2-410 4 ohm. Sorry to say I was totally unimpressed. I really wanted it to work it out because the feature set is great. I put the Shuttle 9.0 on top 3rd show and finished the night. The power just didn't cut it. To be honest the power just didn't compare to the Shuttle 9.0 or the LMT800 which to my direct comparison is the king of the power micros. I've read the posts about how loud the RH450 is but obviously those haven't done a direct ABC comparison with these three. When TC releases a high power version I will be inline for it. Until then enjoy your RH450s gang. 
That compares to my experience. I tried my RH450 on an outdoor gig this summer through my AE410. Couldn't cut it, finished the gig with my LMT 800. Features were great, just didn't have the power I need (I play in a LOUD band) Sent it back within my 30 day window. Currently, I still have the LMT 800 and have added a Shuttle 9.0. I favor the Shuttle, the LMT 800 has moved down to the back up position. Just my .02, YMMV!
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I can't imagine the power not being enough for you all. Seriously, if this isn't enough, you guys need to lower your stage volume, or you will be too deaf to play.
I play in a band that is a bit too loud at times, but even then I'm NEVER turned up more than half way... With my shuttle 6.0 I'd be turned up 75-85% on average...
I play in a band that is a bit too loud at times, but even then I'm NEVER turned up more than half way... With my shuttle 6.0 I'd be turned up 75-85% on average...
Dr Funk
"If you ain't appearing then you be disappearing"
You know this is at least the second time I've read this statement from you. It is absurd that you would tell us we shouldn't play so loud to make up for the shortcomings of an amp THAT YOU SELL. I play about 250 gigs a year and have been playing over 40 years. I find it quite offensive that you say we should not play so loud or we should have better PA support. The amp just doesn't have the balls to do the job simple as that. Your a dealer and have plenty of personal gain involved so your opinion is just that... of a vendor. So chill out with your "DIVERTED PLAY" tactics. I'm sure you are a great guy and you have done good things here. But please don't tell us what we are doing is wrong to make up for a weak power spec on a great featured little amp. We buy amps to fit our individual needs this is the lowest powered micro in the top 10 so that's all there is to it.
I find mine pretty powerful, but I understand how it could come up short comparing it to a head with twice the watts. Doesn't really seem like a fair comparison, but everybody's gigging requirements are different. I'm glad that my band has a kick ass PA so I no longer have to worry about a super stupid loud rig. (One of my old rigs was 2000 watts into two schroeders. Very loud) Personally I think playing an outdoor gig with no PA support for bass is a losing battle. I've done it plenty of times back in the day with multi 1000 watt rigs and in comparison to a direct out through a good PA there is absolutely no contest, the PA wins every time.
Just my .02 everyone's situation is different.
Just my .02 everyone's situation is different.
Dr Funk
"If you ain't appearing then you be disappearing"
I've got my trusty DB750 for outside gigs
Trudat, I use my Epi902C with 2 UL2-410 4 ohm cabinets for the festival and big outside gigs.
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Sorry to ruffle your feathers, Dr. Funk. I wasn't really talking about the amp as much as I was talking about your overall volume. As musicians we are all screwed without our hearing, and if you guys are pushing as many decibels as I think you are, it's simply dangerous for you to be exposed to that night after night. Not to mention what you are doing to people at the venue. And I'm not the only person here saying this amp is plenty loud - most of the other people who have used it are agreeing.
I understand where you are coming from though - and I apologize for how I wrote my reply, questioning your situation. All situations are different, and I CERTAINLY do not claim to know what is best for you. I'm not trying to say you are wrong. I guess I'm just shocked, that's all.
Do you guys not have a large PA to handle the FOH volume? Is your rig having to deliver all of the bass tone to the venue? If you don't have adequate PA support, I could see how you would need substantially more power. But that is still doing bad things for your ears...
I understand where you are coming from though - and I apologize for how I wrote my reply, questioning your situation. All situations are different, and I CERTAINLY do not claim to know what is best for you. I'm not trying to say you are wrong. I guess I'm just shocked, that's all.
Do you guys not have a large PA to handle the FOH volume? Is your rig having to deliver all of the bass tone to the venue? If you don't have adequate PA support, I could see how you would need substantially more power. But that is still doing bad things for your ears...
Dr Funk
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Here in Florida, where I am, the majority of our gigs are outside. I'm not referring to the festival type gigs we do but the every week in week out outdoor gigs waterside etc. No reflective walls nothing but sound going out over the water. Typical space and volume limitations and big PA is out of the question. To put a nice "cushion" of bass under the band it takes power. What is so hard to understand about this???
Dr Funk
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Thanks Donovan, I just don't think you understand the physics involved in gigging in my area. We are not loud at all compared to other bands here. When all my band mates individually turn to me and say "turn up I can't hear you" and I'm turned up all the way, the amp just isn't loud enough period.
Ok, I do understand that. That particular situation is somewhat rare up here in north Alabama, but I do play something similar every once in a while, and i agree, with a loud band you could tax a rig in a hurry trying to push that pillow low end cushion. I guess when most folks say out door gigs I think of festival type stuff. The last one of those I played, I did with 2 12's and a gk800rb. Of course there were about 16 meyers monitors across the front of stage and a 218 for the kick monitor. I had no problems. The rh450 works for me and I'm sorry it didn't work for you, but different strokes and all that.
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Hey Dr. Funk, I forgot you are in Florida playing to the ocean (for some reason, I can't muster any sympathy for you 
. That is a VERY unique set of challenges that probably 97% of us don't have to deal with. I play some outdoor gigs too, at one of the lakes here in Missouri. But with that I'm not having to play to thousands of people, so we use a bit larger PA than normal and it handles it just fine. And of course, for festival type stuff we are always using some enormous PA monstrosity...
Anyway, sounds like your situation is pretty unique. Perhaps I should come to one of your gigs so I can have a... uh... more "informed opinion. Beach gig - yeah, I think I could be a lot of help to you!
. That is a VERY unique set of challenges that probably 97% of us don't have to deal with. I play some outdoor gigs too, at one of the lakes here in Missouri. But with that I'm not having to play to thousands of people, so we use a bit larger PA than normal and it handles it just fine. And of course, for festival type stuff we are always using some enormous PA monstrosity...Anyway, sounds like your situation is pretty unique. Perhaps I should come to one of your gigs so I can have a... uh... more "informed opinion. Beach gig - yeah, I think I could be a lot of help to you!
Just as a side note doubling wattage only produces a 3db increase (Shuttle 9 vs RH450)
Using more speaker surface is usually a better way to get more volume.
I understand the physics of your gigging situation Dr Funk but I hope your not standing right in front of your rig 'cause you're still getting very high SPL coming right at you regardless of the venue's acoustics.
No disrespect meant to anyone.
Using more speaker surface is usually a better way to get more volume.
I understand the physics of your gigging situation Dr Funk but I hope your not standing right in front of your rig 'cause you're still getting very high SPL coming right at you regardless of the venue's acoustics.
No disrespect meant to anyone.
Outdoors gigs always seem to take way more power, that's for sure. For the work I do where I use an amp -Jazz, musical theatre, Afro-Cuban, festivals, a few clubs, recording and "casuals" the RH 450 is definitely plenty. The feature set is fantastic! (No affiliation, other than my proud Danish heritage : )
Not replying directly to Dr Funk and DKB: I would say that bands are tending to get really really loud, and hearing protection is a really good idea. I have a minor bit of tinnitus from playing next to ride cymbals for 30 years, and I would really hate to have a worse case of it. Be careful out there, guys!
Not replying directly to Dr Funk and DKB: I would say that bands are tending to get really really loud, and hearing protection is a really good idea. I have a minor bit of tinnitus from playing next to ride cymbals for 30 years, and I would really hate to have a worse case of it. Be careful out there, guys!
Yeah I need a big gun as we have the Great Lakes to play to sometimes. Personally I agree without a nice FOH support it's pretty hard to throw and cover the bass at outside gigs. Luckily most of my gigs are inside and we just use a single powered sub currently and it works great.
On Labor Day weekend we did an small outside venue on a raised stage and steel frame covered pavilion open walls and near by lake. We brought our new little powered sub and set in concrete floor in the middle front of the stage. While sound checking we cut it off and on and the kick drum (who cares really
) all but disappeared when off... I'm mean it sounded like 20 miles away. I ran a signal to it but was using my DB750/HS410 rig just in case. Was pretty whoopin' all together with the FOH. Anyway I highly recommend using a single power sub. Mine is a Carvin and it's got an 18" woofer and is only like 75#. Very affordable too. What a difference it makes. We do use our own crossover though. We cross at 180-200hz so the bass is more present. Much better than the 80 or 120hz on the sub.
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