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TC Electronic RH750 ???!??

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#301
mothra2 said:
+1... I appreciate the inclusion of a low pass type control if that is what it is...again, confusion. Why don't they just call it that? This nonsense about it taking the place of the rear control on the cab though, is jut that, nonsense.

Unless that thing is 'pinging' the cab to get the x-over point of the tweeter for each cab it is paired with (which of course it does not do) then it cannot and does not even resemble the true functionality of a properly implemented L-Pad, anymore than a Low-pass resembles a shelving type, as you point out. An L-pad reduces the tweeter output only, of the cab it's designed with. A Low pass filter drops anything above it's selected freq which could be anywhere ...

In fact, one could reasonably employ both the Low Pass AND the L-Pad, depending on the coincidental freq alignments between the two (unlike the absurd claim that "the control takes the L-Pad and moves it to the front on the amp".

I think the TC stuff is amazing and ground breaking, but it's a shame that they cloud it with, IMO, spin that misrepresents functionality for the sake of marketing.

Now, if they designed it with a variable Q point along with variable attenuation (completely independent of one another)...wow...then you could have (if set properly) the ultimate L-Pad without the potential drawbacks (impeadance shift and such) that some caution about.
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I have to disagree with you again. They've not said it replaces an attenuator. What they've said is that the effect is similar to adjusting a tweeter attenuator. I'm sure they are correct. It functions much like the VLE on the Markbass heads, which lets you attenuate the top end without having to turn the tweeter down.
 
#302
funkydanbass said:
It doesn't seem that anyone actually knows exactly what Tweetertone does or how it does it. Do you?
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My questions is, do you need to know? Even if no one can exactly describe how it works, is that really unusual in the MI business? The answer is no. You twist the knob, and you either like it or you don't. If you like it, you buy it. If you don't, you look elsewhere. So maybe a person can't try it first. That's still not unusual and folks have to deal with it all the time. I'm honestly surprised so many folks here are making a big deal over this. It's a knob that attenuates high frequencies with an affect similar to adjusting an L-pad on a cab. What more is there to have to understand? I've yet to hear from ANYONE who's had an RH750, Blacksmith or BG500 who didn't like this knob, simply because it's so easy to use...just like the VLE knob on the Markbass heads. Don't want all that top end? Turn it down. Want a nice treble extensoin all the way up? Then open up the knob. Easy. Let's not complicate this sujbect, folks.
 
#304
Exactly!!


Eublet said:
My questions is, do you need to know? Even if no one can exactly describe how it works, is that really unusual in the MI business? The answer is no. You twist the knob, and you either like it or you don't. If you like it, you buy it. If you don't, you look elsewhere. So maybe a person can't try it first. That's still not unusual and folks have to deal with it all the time. I'm honestly surprised so many folks here are making a big deal over this. It's a knob that attenuates high frequencies with an affect similar to adjusting an L-pad on a cab. What more is there to have to understand? I've yet to hear from ANYONE who's had an RH750, Blacksmith or BG500 who didn't like this knob, simply because it's so easy to use...just like the VLE knob on the Markbass heads. Don't want all that top end? Turn it down. Want a nice treble extensoin all the way up? Then open up the knob. Easy. Let's not complicate this sujbect, folks.
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#305
oddio said:
Having played around for a while now with the TweeterTone on both the Blacksmith and the RH750, I am guessing the emulation operates as a narrow HF bandpass filter.
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I think you meant to say low-pass filter. It doesn't raise and lower a narrow range of frequencies (that would be a narrow bandpass). It raises and lowers the high frequency roll-off point. That makes it an adjustable low-pass filter, similar to the VLE on Markbass, but with extra filtering in the upper mids as a tonal enhancement.

No biggie tho, 99.99% of the people out there will simply understand it for what it is from a practical standpoint... a way to control the high end on your tone somewhat similarly to how a tweeter control might, but in a slightly sweeter and more convenient way. Ultimately, that was their goal, and I think they achieved it.
 
#306
Eublet said:
My questions is, do you need to know? Even if no one can exactly describe how it works, is that really unusual in the MI business? The answer is no. You twist the knob, and you either like it or you don't. If you like it, you buy it. If you don't, you look elsewhere. So maybe a person can't try it first. That's still not unusual and folks have to deal with it all the time. I'm honestly surprised so many folks here are making a big deal over this. It's a knob that attenuates high frequencies with an affect similar to adjusting an L-pad on a cab. What more is there to have to understand? I've yet to hear from ANYONE who's had an RH750, Blacksmith or BG500 who didn't like this knob, simply because it's so easy to use...just like the VLE knob on the Markbass heads. Don't want all that top end? Turn it down. Want a nice treble extensoin all the way up? Then open up the knob. Easy. Let's not complicate this sujbect, folks.
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I'm just trying to make an informed decision based on my experience with the RH450. If the RH750 has essentially the same high end roll off as the RH450, and the tweetertone is just a 'fancy' high end EQ then Im not interested at all. If however, the RH750 has a much higher high end roll off and the tweetertone acts as a LPF or similiar then I am very interested.

I might just email TC directly and see what info I get.
 
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funkydanbass said:
I'm just trying to make an informed decision based on my experience with the RH450. If the RH750 has essentially the same high end roll off as the RH450, and the tweetertone is just a 'fancy' high end EQ then Im not interested at all. If however, the RH750 has a much higher high end roll off and the tweetertone acts as a LPF or similiar then I am very interested.

I might just email TC directly and see what info I get.
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The tweeter tone controls the roll off.
 
#309
Munjibunga said:
How could I know? Maybe you and I have completely different tone goals. I just played it through my AE410 and it just kills. There are a lot of tone variations in there. Maybe I'll hook it up to my AE212 tomorrow. With all the semi-para EQ options available on the RH750, I don't see how you can't make it sound the way you want. What amp do you like with the AE212? I know it sounds great with a Shuttle 9.0.
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Did you end up firing up your AE212 with the RH750?
Would love to get the cab to sound like it does with my Shuttle 9.0 using the RH750 - as I miss my onboard compression and tuner that I have in my RH450.
 
#311
Slaine01 said:
Did you end up firing up your AE212 with the RH750?
Would love to get the cab to sound like it does with my Shuttle 9.0 using the RH750 - as I miss my onboard compression and tuner that I have in my RH450.
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I finally did. I found it sounded best to me with the EQ set very close to flat. The bottom fills out nicely with maybe two clicks of bass (at the default 200 hz), but it gets a little to muffy for me with any low mid at all (400 hz), which I cut a click or two. I really like it with a little of the high mid added (800 hz). It adds a little of that bark I favor.

Overall, it takes a little EQing to make it sound close to the Shuttle. I don't think it's naturally as crisp as the Shuttle, but it does have greater versatility, and you can EQ out the parts you don't like. The RH750 seems like a better match for the AE410, which is what I have set up in my practice room. At gigs, I'll be using the Shuttle with the AE212 or the RH750 with the AE410.
 
#312
I just had an Awesome experience at [gasp] Guitar Center! Yes, the very sMe place that ignores customers, couldn't put fresh strings on a fender jazz if their life depended on it, and has the snottiest sales staff around did this for me today: I picked up my RH750 on June 4. The other day i get a flyer in the mail saying "everything is 15% off till July 4th!".

Price adjustment time, I think to myself. Time to battle with GC But damned if they didn't do it, with no grumbling! And when I grumbled that they weren't returning the proper tax percentage, the manager actually lowered the price of the RC-4 footswitch I was buying with the proceeds to take care of it!

So thanks to guitar center's timing I now have the rh750 with the footswitch on the way for the price of just the head. Sweet!
 
#314
sawzalot said:
I just had an Awesome experience at [gasp] Guitar Center! Yes, the very sMe place that ignores customers, couldn't put fresh strings on a fender jazz if their life depended on it, and has the snottiest sales staff around did this for me today: I picked up my RH750 on June 4. The other day i get a flyer in the mail saying "everything is 15% off till July 4th!".

Price adjustment time, I think to myself. Time to battle with GC But damned if they didn't do it, with no grumbling! And when I grumbled that they weren't returning the proper tax percentage, the manager actually lowered the price of the RC-4 footswitch I was buying with the proceeds to take care of it!

So thanks to guitar center's timing I now have the rh750 with the footswitch on the way for the price of just the head. Sweet!
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All your moons aligned. Nice.
 
#315
I had two great gigs last week with my RH750's. The first one was at Key Arena in Seattle on Thursday, playing for the Lions Club's 94th International Convention. Our band performed a "USO Show," which was received very well (whew!). I played my new-to-me Lakland 55-94 through the RH750 into a Bergantino AE212. It sounded great on the huge stage, and my soundman said the FOH sound was great too. (TC DI, set for pre.)

Then on Saturday, we played for the Alaska Airline / Horizon Airline company picnic. We were on a large outdoor stage with lots of attendees spread all over this orchard-style country estate. I play the Lakland and my Sadowsky NYC J5 through a pair of RH750's into a pair of Berg AE 212. My tone was great--especially the synth-bass and slap stuff--and I had GOBS of volume.

These are great-sounding amps!

- Greg
 
#317
bassclef04 said:
Anyone using there RH750 with a RS210/RS212 for large gigs?
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That's my setup. We're having a break now over the summer, but I've gigged it outdoors. Probably the best on stage sound I have ever had! Soundguy was thrilled by the DI, and a couple of musician friends in the audience were impressed, too.
 
#318
gregbackstrom said:
I had two great gigs last week with my RH750's. The first one was at Key Arena in Seattle on Thursday, playing for the Lions Club's 94th International Convention. Our band performed a "USO Show," which was received very well (whew!). I played my new-to-me Lakland 55-94 through the RH750 into a Bergantino AE212. It sounded great on the huge stage, and my soundman said the FOH sound was great too. (TC DI, set for pre.)

Then on Saturday, we played for the Alaska Airline / Horizon Airline company picnic. We were on a large outdoor stage with lots of attendees spread all over this orchard-style country estate. I play the Lakland and my Sadowsky NYC J5 through a pair of RH750's into a pair of Berg AE 212. My tone was great--especially the synth-bass and slap stuff--and I had GOBS of volume.

These are great-sounding amps!

- Greg
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Velly Nace!

So how did you stack the 2x rigs (just curious)?
 
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