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TC Electronic RH750 ???!??

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Jarrett said:
You know the funny thing, I hold less resentment towards GB for putting out a 500 watt amp and claiming it was a 900 watt (because of their great customer support) than I do towards TC for putting out a 236 watt and claiming it was a 450 watt when reviews say it feels like a 500-600 watt amp. Using that reasoning, I should probably be a little less upset with TC than I am with GB. Not to mention I have been using the RH750 to transcribe this week's set lists for the last three hours and it sounds great :)
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Yep, no offense, but that really is a double standard. If your issue is claimed wattage vs actual tested output, you should feel identically about both companies.
 
#643
Vic said:
Yep, no offense, but that really is a double standard. If your issue is claimed wattage vs actual tested output, you should feel identically about both companies.
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In reality, it's more of an example of me not holding grudges well :D
If TC will own up and show some decent customer service on this one, I doubt I will have a problem with them in the long run.
 
#645
1n3 said:
Me too. Want to know more. Anyone have a link?
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This has been widely discussed. First, unfortunately Bass Gear's testing procedures were faulty in their first issue, so those tests should pretty much be ignored.

Secondly, the Genz amps, similar to the TC amps, use some pretty cool and very complex limiting and 'tube emulation', combined with some proprietary heat dissapation method, to push the various power modules they use into higher wattage performance, which of course, increases the total harmonic distortion. However, this increase in distortion is achieved in a very musical way, which is why my Streamliner, for example, is much louder than my '500 watt amps'.

I believe the difference in the Genz design is that the amps do actually reach their actual published wattage ratings, but again, at high distortion rates (which actually sound very good, and emulate an all tube amp a bit when they are pushed).

Old news, and just like the RH450 and RH750, they perform at levels that most consumers would expect, given their published specs.

However, round and round we go, and if you are using a criterion of 'the OEM manufacturers power ratings of the ICE modules is the full 'truth', then you would have to throw Genz in with TC.
 
#646
I'm not an apologist for TC, but I have to say I won't be selling my RH750, regardless of its output. I get more than the volume I need out of it and, with judicious tweaking, I get tones I like.

In other threads we talk about "numbers on the paper" having no significant relation to what actually comes out of an amp. We counsel each other to try a bunch of amps and buy the one that sounds best to us. I like the RH750 for its feature set and its sound. If it was falling short in either of those categories or volume level, I might look at the specs, be disappointed and get pissed off. But it meets my expectations.

I officially rebuke TC for misrepresenting (if they did) the output of the RH450, for the record.

PS: I won't be selling my Shuttle 9.0 either, even if it puts out only 600 watts. Reasons? See above.
 
#647
Munjibunga said:
I'm not an apologist for TC, but I have to say I won't be selling my RH750, regardless of its output. I get more than the volume I need out of it and, with judicious tweaking, I get tones I like.

In other threads we talk about "numbers on the paper" having no significant relation to what actually comes out of an amp. We counsel each other to try a bunch of amps and buy the one that sounds best to us. I like the RH750 for its feature set and its sound. If it was falling short in either of those categories or volume level, I might look at the specs, be disappointed and get pissed off. But it meets my expectations.

I officially rebuke TC for misrepresenting (if they did) the output of the RH450, for the record.

PS: I won't be selling my Shuttle 9.0 either, even if it puts out only 600 watts. Reasons? See above.
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Quite the rational post -- Munji, you feeling alright?



;)
 
#651
Jarrett said:
In reality, it's more of an example of me not holding grudges well :D
If TC will own up and show some decent customer service on this one, I doubt I will have a problem with them in the long run.
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Don't know what you mean by "show some decent customer service on this one".
 
#656
Akami said:
That's a great point Jarrett, and I've found the same thing; it's easier to forgive a big thing apologized for than a small one ignored.
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What apology and where?

Also, I know it's kinda' "fun" to hate TC right now, but let's be reasonable. Even though they haven't done anything with published specs, at least they have openly and honestly acknowledged the test findings when asked. I know that's not enough for some people here, but it is significant, especially knowing how negatively some people would feel about it.
 
#657
Gigged the RH750 with both RS210's for the first time Saturday, for about 100 people outdoors, no PA for the bass. Absolutely digged the easy-to-haulness, the small footprint of the vertically stacked 210s, and the preset function! The gig was with a danceband, where I basically use two different tones: a bright modern one, which I found by adjusting the bass cutpoint all the way down and boosting it 2-3 "lights", leaving the low mids flat, turning the high mid cutpoint to around 3 o'clock and boosting it about 5-6 lights, raising the treble cutpoint to about 2 o'clock and boosting slightly, and then adding just a tad compression and turning up the tweetertone.
My other tone is with a vintage vibe, and I got that by leaving the bass flat, boosting the low mids at about 500 hz, leaving the high mids, turning down the treble a bit, adding just a little tubetone, and staying away from the tweetertone. Both tones were just THERE in the mix (acoustic guitar, electric guitar and drums), everybody could hear me on stage, and having the cabs stacked like that really lets you hear yourself too. I was really surprised by how much low end the 210s pumped out; during the evening I found myself setting the bass flat. I played my Japan made Ibanez BTB with Bart pups and pre, and this one tends to be a bit wide, with a big low end. I've sometimes been tempted to slap in some Nordy Big Singles for a little more edge, but I actually think the mid-strong voicing of the TC suits my beloved ol' BTB nicely. Oh, by the way, besides being handy, having some cool gig-friendly features, and producing tone I like and can use, it goes very loud too - I actually have watts to spare, if anyone's interested? ;)
 
#658
steve_rolfeca said:
I find it sad that anyone would be so misled as to believe that Mesa, Genz and TC are the only companies whose specs don't follow FTC standards.

Everyone does it, because that's what it takes to sell to musicians. And I mean almost EVERYONE:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/t...ssion-thread-801140/index48.html#post11400292
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Nonsense. Not everyone does it. There are a lot of companies Tom Bowlus listed whose amps hit their specs when tested by Bass Gear. Even Mesa hit their specs for the SS heads they tested. Don't know enough about the Genz situation to comment, but Andy and Roger are longtime Talkbass bros who are extremely knowledgeable and helpful to people on here, even customers of other brands, and a lot of folks would look at them a little more kindly. Honestly I would too, but I would still want answers from them if it's true.
 
#659
Had another gig this weekend, only brought the RS210 this time. Sounded great on its own, that cab is impressive! I think I prefer it over the RS212, but then again, the mixed stack is just cool. :)

The RH750 continues to blow my mind. :)
 
#660
4-string said:
Had another gig this weekend, only brought the RS210 this time. Sounded great on its own, that cab is impressive! I think I prefer it over the RS212, but then again, the mixed stack is just cool. :)

The RH750 continues to blow my mind. :)
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When I tried them out, I preferred the tone of the 210 solo, but I can easily imaginge, that the 212/210 is a nice ooompy/clarity combo!
 
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